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Missesha

@Missesha

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Posted: 9 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: aparnauma
Setting up of Bhaili right from the premise till it became functional it was shown in great detail
Even after Bhaili was set up how Shiv on behalf of government was helping her find an empty space for her Sunday bazar was shown in great detail.

If Bhaili activities were not shown in detail and not much screen time given it should be the viewer who are to be blamed.
I have seen in many social networking sites where people said that all they wanted to see was Anandi decking up for Shiv and then do seva of her in laws because that is the only thing they found interesting.
Why blame the creatives when viewers themselves express to see that?After all making a television show is not a charity but business.

School and sarpanchship got more screen time because that's all Anandi had in her life back then.
When she moved to Udaipur after marriage it was a huge family with busy husband and new surroundings all this has to get enough screen space too.

If Bhaili got a raw deal in terms of screen space it was because they had to show her married life in detail too but why does it become difficult to believe that Anandi did all that while handling responsibilities at home?

Anandi had been projected as a multi taker when she was a kid too. Wasn't she topping the class for the brief time she attended the school?At that time Dsa made sure she did all the work at home before she went to school.Inspite of all that she not only did better than Jagya but topped school leading to jealousand insecure Jagya which is what made Dsa put an end to her studies

There were enough and more examples of her capabilities in professional sphere right from her childhood days.What she did with her personal life is another story altogether and her personal life is a mess because of her very emotional nature and please all strategy but she was shown to be someone bright when it came to her education and professional life.

Aparna please,

I do not need repeated lectures on commercial viability of a TV show, or what makes the show / Annadi successful, or what I should do with my TV remote, subscriptions etc. Neither do I need anyone to judge me on my intelligence or question my opinions, beliefs or perceptions.

I am a simple viewer who has her own expectations from the show. When my expectations are met I am happy and express it accordingly, and when they are not, I raise questions.

I don't see why I am expected to accept everything that Cvs dish out without question.

Bhaili's success was unrealistic to me so I have pointed out. So why should I be repeatedly told that 'why is so hard to believe Cvs / Anandi'. In other words, why I am being insisted on accepting what is shown as 'the ultimate reality'

It is nobody's prerogative to question my opinions or perceptions, and neither should I be repeatedly told to stop expressing my opinions. It is also against IF rules.

Aparna, you and I have discussed, analysed and dissected every move of Anandi on this show, a numerous times. End result is that neither you, nor I want to change our opinions. So lets just stop crossing each other's paths until we have something new and valuable to discuss. I truly request.

My unsaid relationship with you has gone from bad to sour and I don't see why I should make it worse for a non-existent character called Anandi.

Let's not cross each other's posts as far as Anandi is concerned. It's not fun going in rounds and circles, every time a new thread is started to defend and object Anandi's moves.

As far as I am concerned, Anandi is an extremely annoying character of this show, and there is nothing praise worthy about her. She is a character who has only managed to pass time with her life and survived on rich support system offered to her time and again.

I have been disliking her thought process and decision making skills from the time she moved to Udaipur.

After 7 years, I can convincingly conclude that bal vivah was the best thing that happened to Anandi.

I am not only questioning Anandi, but the basic theme of the makers too and it is well within my rights.

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SPuja

@SPuja

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Posted: 9 years ago

#12

Yes, seeing Anandi's life - it can be safely concluded that bal-vivah was the best thing that happened and gave everything to Anandi. 😛 And also - Anandi will apply one rule to herself and BH people and a different rule for others.

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SPuja

@SPuja

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Posted: 9 years ago

#13

Coming to topic - Anant may not get the award - but all those praise happened to make him appear good enough to be included in the family. It looked odd how Nidhi was at forefront during anniversary celebration and again when DS was in hospital. Why she wasn't in her school?

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charminggenie

@charminggenie

Stunner

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Posted: 9 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: Missesha

As far as I am concerned, Anandi is an extremely annoying character of this show, and there is nothing praise worthy about her. She is a character who has only managed to pass time with her life and survived on rich support system offered to her time and again.

I have been disliking her thought process and decision making skills from the time she moved to Udaipur.

After 7 years, I can convincingly conclude that bal vivah was the best thing that happened to Anandi.

I am not only questioning Anandi, but the basic theme of the makers too and it is well within my rights.

@Bold - That nails it for me as well.

For me she stopped making sense when they pushed her for the marriage with Shiv. Because I have, till now, never seen Anandi understand, introspect her own child marriage . They brushed it off by making Jagya , the culprit, when it was about a social evil. Her second attempt at marriage should have been bolder, at her own pace and when she herself was aware of what marriage constituted, where she wanted her identity, somewhere they just couldn't sell the basic message that child marriage is evil and that it takes away the freedom of choice from it's victims , through it's main story arc.

We have all loved Anandi at some point or another and perhaps that is why we tend to look at her with so much disappointment , simply because if it was just another saas-bahu, it won't have mattered but they use token socialism and try to sell Anandi as a force against child marriage which has become super contriving.

Anandi's identity is handicapped by these rich support systems -BH and the Shekhars' too..somewhere that struggle to gain her own inch was never shown.

Yes, it is important that we critic , discuss her because it is a continuous medium, the makers need to understand where they are going wrong and how they effed it up so that someday perhaps there can be some change. Also essential , the viewers and posters of this forum question the moral compass and raise valid objections to the glorification of child marriage that BV has managed to achieve through Anandi.

I don't even care for her marriage with Anant or whoever, because I don't think re-marrying is wrong or anything but I know for a fact that Anandi won't take that decision out of her own will or as part of a thought out process. She would be emotionally blackmailed or put into a place to make that choice just like they did with Shiv . There has never been an individuality in any of Anandi's decisions, all are by-products of her extremely supportive system.

At times , i wonder, what did Anandi lose or suffered through her own child marriage? Has she ever regretted it or been remorseful? Has she ever blamed anyone for it? How does the social activist view her own child marriage? Infact her life, her living standards all seem to have taken an upward swing with her child marriage- there is not one time where she has mused or cried over what was taken from her- her freedom. We are asked why we object to her staying in BV? It's not because of her "pure thoughts" but because how stifling it must be for her to also be back in the same place which saw her child marriage happen. We wonder at her ease and her nocturnal behaviour towards this arrangement.What if her kids ask her about her own child marriage- I really wanna know what she feels about it-NO extrapolations but as a woman, victim and a social activist .

It is one thing to "move on" from the past but it is another to embrace it with so much indifference that there is an ambiguity.

Anandi's "evolved" persona, her marriage to Shiv etc all seem to be facilitated by BH in some way or another-THAT is my problem -because it seems good things happened to Anandi because of this child marriage.

Makers have never given her the "alone" time and frankly now it's too late- best would have been her phasing out and taking a new story and correcting the flaws that seeped here.

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aparnauma

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Posted: 9 years ago

#15

Bhaili's success is just as relatable or unrelatable or as realistic or unrealistic as Anandi's other exploits outside the confines of her family and four walls

A child who is not allowed to study at home instead made to work in order that she doesn't get time or energy to study still tops school.Not only this.After resuming education after so many years tops the state in tenth board examination with just a few months of studying.

While bright kids doing well in school under these circumstances is still realistic topping the school and topping state how realistic is that?

There is enough screen footage to show that Anandi had been a multi tasker since childhood Bhaili work is equally believable.

No where did I tell people to do what to with their remotes . I only say what I do with my remote.

When I say why blame the creatives it is my reason for not blaming them and trying to see their point of view.I am not questioning anyone's rights to blamCVs.

Whether people chose to praise CVs or criticise them it is their business and the points which I make in my posts about CVs are my way of expressing my thoughts as to why I don't blame the CVs.

Don't understand why people interpret why people think that I am telling them what to with their remote control when I am saying what I do with my remote control.

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1013962

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Posted: 9 years ago

#16

Next will be Anant planning birthday party for kids and taking centre stage with Nidhi Anandi will only shred tears and Anant pacifying her. Hamare dard ke rishta

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SPuja

@SPuja

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Posted: 9 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: Missesha
[ Aparna please,
I do not need repeated lectures on commercial viability of a TV show, or what makes the show / Annadi successful, or what I should do with my TV remote, subscriptions etc. Neither do I need anyone to judge me on my intelligence or question my opinions, beliefs or perceptions.

I am a simple viewer who has her own expectations from the show. When my expectations are met I am happy and express it accordingly, and when they are not, I raise questions.

I don't see why I am expected to accept everything that Cvs dish out without question.

Bhaili's success was unrealistic to me so I have pointed out. So why should I be repeatedly told that 'why is so hard to believe Cvs / Anandi'. In other words, why I am being insisted on accepting what is shown as 'the ultimate reality'

It is nobody's prerogative to question my opinions or perceptions, and neither should I be repeatedly told to stop expressing my opinions. It is also against IF rules.

Aparna, you and I have discussed, analysed and dissected every move of Anandi on this show, a numerous times. End result is that neither you, nor I want to change our opinions. So lets just stop crossing each other's paths until we have something new and valuable to discuss. I truly request.

My unsaid relationship with you has gone from bad to sour and I don't see why I should make it worse for a non-existent character called Anandi.

Let's not cross each other's posts as far as Anandi is concerned. It's not fun going in rounds and circles, every time a new thread is started to defend and object Anandi's moves.

As far as I am concerned, Anandi is an extremely annoying character of this show, and there is nothing praise worthy about her. She is a character who has only managed to pass time with her life and survived on rich support system offered to her time and again.

I have been disliking her thought process and decision making skills from the time she moved to Udaipur.

After 7 years, I can convincingly conclude that bal vivah was the best thing that happened to Anandi.

I am not only questioning Anandi, but the basic theme of the makers too and it is well within my rights.

@bold - well said. A lot of forum members will agree. Several ones of us have protested - but your wordings are more accurate. It is plain humiliating being told (again and again) about our intelligence or why we watch the show or why we come on forum etc.

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aparnauma

@GoodDoc_2105

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Posted: 9 years ago

#18

Nobody is lecturing anyone here.

If people see it as lecture then nothing can be said.

Since when did expressing views amount to giving lectures?

When I say what I do with my remote or say that we have remote in our hands or there is no point blaming CVs they are my views on the show airing.

Don't understand why they are being interpreted as lectures

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hisusmita

@hisusmita

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Posted: 9 years ago

#19

As far as professional success is concerned no characters were shown properly how they are so successful in their professional life, what great exactly they did. In every case it has been always thru praises, be it Shiv, be it Jagya, be it Anandi.

What we have seen incase of Shiv's professional life? Nothing, except praises, What we have seen in Jagya's professional life? nothing. To show him running the hospital all characters were either injured/fallen sick, drowned in river, having heart attack etc were shown. But nothing great, Any doctors treat like this. What has been shown as MLA? Nothing?

Except few tracks here and there we have hardly seen they are doing anything.

Atleast incase of Anandi in her hardship days they have shown something. That time they were developing the character. Now thru conversation and sometimes in talks they show incase of everyone.

CVs are bad in handling professional issues so dont want to mess them more by showing those. It has been shown she is running Bhaili, from planning to execution, how it faced difficulties, those were shown by clubbing them with personal life.

They have made enough joke by showing Mannu's cancer track, Ganga's operation to prof how good they are in dealing professional track.

Anyways BV is not any documentary that they will show every details of their professional life, though I would love to see that.

Anandi is the lead , Ofcourse she will be praised. She is no side character like Anant.

Yes , its CVs creation. If they want to praise Anant they will praise. There is a reason for this. His track is coming.

So he is getting the praises. They wanted to show Jagya only wrote him to contact SP and Jagya is now saying all planning execution has been done by him , so be it.

But dont think there is any comparison betwen Anandi and Anant.

Anandi has been shown from the day one and they have already shown enough about what she is capable of.

Even if you have the support system if you dont have that urge inside you cant do anything. She had that thing in her and she initiated the things. Rest people supported her because they thought she is doing something good.

So there is nothing wrong if you have the support system. That does not make one any less.She is the one who with her capabilities and willingness made the support systems trust her enough that they dont think twice before supporting her.

What J is doing in Jaitsar now , long back Anandi started it when she was a kid

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aparnauma

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Posted: 9 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: hisusmita
As far as professional success is concerned no characters were shown properly how they are so successful in their professional life, what great exactly they did. In every case it has been always thru praises, be it Shiv, be it Jagya, be it Anandi.

What we have seen incase of Shiv's professional life? Nothing, except praises, What we have seen in Jagya's professional life? nothing. To show him running the hospital all characters were either injured/fallen sick, drowned in river, having heart attack etc were shown. But nothing great, Any doctors treat like this. What has been shown as MLA? Nothing?

Except few tracks here and there we have hardly seen they are doing anything.

Atleast incase of Anandi in her hardship days they have shown something. That time they were developing the character. Now thru conversation and sometimes in talks they show incase of everyone.

CVs are bad in handling professional issues so dont want to mess them more by showing those. It has been shown she is running Bhaili, from planning to execution, how it faced difficulties, those were shown by clubbing them with personal life.

They have made enough joke by showing Mannu's cancer track, Ganga's operation to prof how good they are in dealing professional track.

Anyways BV is not any documentary that they will show every details of their professional life, though I would love to see that.

Anandi is the lead , Ofcourse she will be praised. She is no side character like Anant.

Yes , its CVs creation. If they want to praise Anant they will praise. There is a reason for this. His track is coming.

So he is getting the praises. They wanted to show Jagya only wrote him to contact SP and Jagya is now saying all planning execution has been done by him , so be it.

But dont think there is any comparison betwen Anandi and Anant.

Anandi has been shown from the day one and they have already shown enough about what she is capable of.

Even if you have the support system if you dont have that urge inside you cant do anything. She had that thing in her and she initiated the things. Rest people supported her because they thought she is doing something good.

So there is nothing wrong if you have the support system. That does not make one any less.She is the one who with her capabilities and willingness made the support systems trust her enough that they dont think twice before supporting her.

What J is doing in Jaitsar now , long back Anandi started it when she was a kid

Well said. My thoughts exactly.

The support is something that people gave her she did not ask anyone to support her in these deeds be it starting her school adult education classes or even Bhaili.They all came out of her own mind.

The rest of the family supported her in these deeds because she is doing good deeds and not because she was family.They would have supported anyone who came to them with the agenda of genuinely wanting to do something for the society.

Secondly there was no need for her to do all these things or invest her time and energy as well as emotions in the work that she had been doing towards the betterment of society.From a darling daughter of a not so well of couple she went on to become child bride of one of the wealthiest families in that region.Why was she not happy with it? After all she was getting all good clothes food and jewellry Child marriage gave her all these things so why should she bother if her friend Phooli was forced to become a child bride?

Did Bhairon rush to stop any child marriage before Anandi made entry into BH ? No.

Bhairon knew the value of education but did he ever think of starting a school in the village? No

So who started all the crusade against social evils in Jaitser? Definitely not Bhairon SIngh the man lived by his own values but had no plans to change the society around him.

It was the little girl's thoughts and actions that made him awre of his responsibilities to the society.

When Jagya went away to do Medicine why did teenage Anandi start a school? Why couldn't she spend her time experimenting in kitchen get new jeweelry and clothes? Where is the need for her to start a school?

Why was she not satisfied being a rich beendini? If she wanted she could have requested Bhairon Singh to donate some money to some school or some needy student to ease her social conscience.Why did she decide to devote her time and energy in running a school when Dsa was against this idea?

Similarly after her marriage with Shiv why did she not spend time shopping partying with Sanchi and hr friends?

Why did she not be content with serving samosas ad chai and donate some money to army welfare fund be satisfied with life?

Where is the need to start an NGO despite Ira's concerns?

Shekhar family knew Chanda for many years why did it not occur to them to do something for the likes of that lady Chanda?

From what was shown Shekhars used to donate money to hospitals and orphanages or any other worthy cause.

Did any of these people tell Anandi to start a school or start an NGO or tell her to dedicate her time towards causes that are aimed working towards the betterment of society?

All these were her initiatives the family supported her because they wanted to be part of the good deeds that she had been doing.

She was empowered because of the two families into which she was married and she used the power that her marriages gave towards making the world a better place to live in her own way which she needn't do at all.

The lead will be praised because they were trying to promote some good causes through her character be it her initiative towards educating girl child through her school or helping women become financially independent through her Bhaili or her role in rehabilitating Sanchi after the unfortunate event that occurred in her life.

Here Anant was being praised just to give more mileage to the character and his track is coming up.

Anant was praised more than he deserved simply because they couldn't give him footage in kidnap drama in the desert or finding Nandini track or any other track but still want to show him as someone capable.

When Shiv was brought in he was given tracks to build up character in order to make an impression in viewers minds because he had a very big role in Anandi's life.

So comparisons of this Anant character with Anandi is not right.

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