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Awfulggt

@Awfulggt

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Posted: 11 years ago

#11

Both the points that DS mentioned are true.

The mother does develop attachment towards her baby which had been a part of her and lived in her body for a period of 10 months. It is very natural. The surrogate mother has to be really proficient and the terms between the couple and surrogate mother has to be really clear before going for such things.

DS's second point was also partly true. The mother's nature/behaviour/mindset does affect the baby. That is one of the reason why pregnant women are advised to stay calm by reading nice books, listening to soft music etc etc. Everything a mother does during that period affects the baby. And for a mother to do all nice things during a long period of 10months which is by default a stressful period for her, is not simple. So the womb in which the baby resides does matter. But at the same time, as long as one can choose the surrogate mother, it is fine.

Let's say, in this case Sugna who is a nice woman who has all the sankaars of haveli(even more than Ganga probably? Sugn was born and brought up in haveli) and who has a full family with 2 healthy kids already and who is also young can be the surrogate mother probably...?

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Awfulggt

@Awfulggt

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: libsrocks

@Jan50 thanks for the explanation...i am not updated with mythology much...exactly how can human egg get out of a woman or someone can see it in those times is beyond me...never understood why normal procedure was not shown related to birth of a child (from conceiving to birth) when it's all nature-made and not man-made stuff

Libsrocks - What happens is , the writers re-write stories during their respective generations based on their own interpretations and imaginations. For example i read different versions of Mahabharata, Ramayana and many other mythological stories. There was Gandhari -- a woman who gave birth to a hundred sons of the same age. In our books it was written like it was a magic and that could be because the people who started later probably couldn't understand the technology that existed before their time. So they simply write in their own terms. While in real what B G Matapurkar said might have been true, that people then not only knew about test tube babies, but also had the technology to grow foetuses outside the womb.

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Vidya

@Shinya

Rocker

Posted: 11 years ago

#13

I agree with dadisa.

A mother (dont know how fathers think) obviously does not love her child because it was born out of her egg and her husband's sperm.

The moment a woman conceives, she gets emotionally attached to that life growing within her body. It is such a pleasurable feeling that cannot be expressed into words.

To add to it, the long wait and the hard labour makes her love the child more than her own life. You do not feel the same attachment towards another woman's child.

A surrogate mother will naturally feel more attached to the child than the real mother. For the real mother, its just like adopting a child. Its only that she is convincing her mind that the child is hers because biologically it was her egg and her husband's sperm. Other than that its nothing.

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SPuja

@SPuja

Rocker

Posted: 11 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: Shinya
I agree with dadisa.

A mother (dont know how fathers think) obviously does not love her child because it was born out of her egg and her husband's sperm.

The moment a woman conceives, she gets emotionally attached to that life growing within her body. It is such a pleasurable feeling that cannot be expressed into words.

To add to it, the long wait and the hard labour makes her love the child more than her own life. You do not feel the same attachment towards another woman's child.

A surrogate mother will naturally feel more attached to the child than the real mother. For the real mother, its just like adopting a child. Its only that she is convincing her mind that the child is hers because biologically it was her egg and her husband's sperm. Other than that its nothing.

@bold- yes this is the reality of surrogate baby- it is just 'apna khoon' for real mother. Personally, I think adoption is better but to those who cannot think beyond apna khoon, surrogacy can work.

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SPuja

@SPuja

Rocker

Posted: 11 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: The_Alchemist.

Libsrocks - For example i read different versions of Mahabharata, Ramayana and many other mythological stories. There was Gandhari -- a woman who gave birth to a hundred sons of the same age. In our books it was written like it was a magic and that could be because the people who started later probably couldn't understand the technology that existed before their time. So they simply write in their own terms. While in real what B G Matapurkar said might have been true, that people then not only knew about test tube babies, but also had the technology to grow foetuses outside the womb.

@bold - that is true- there are different versions of ramayan, mahabharat etc. written during different periods and also different versions based on regions.

I think ancient Indians were very advanced scientifically, it is just that it is mentioned as miracle - like 'divya astras' were actually something like missiles, there were aeroplanes (pushpak vimana) etc. Even medical science was advanced- Kartikeya was perhaps a surrogate baby (based on how it is described - son of Shiv and Parvati born through Kritika) and Ganesh perhaps had had head transplant. A lot of things that are mentioned in ancient scriptures can be understood in terms of modern technology like we now have live telecasts and in Mahabharat, Sanjay described the happenings in battle field while sitting with Dhritrashta- it is said that he had divya drishti- perhaps he had the technology.

We cannot verify what is written in ramayan, mahabharat etc. But there are other things like 'Sushrut Samhita' which describes medical procedures followed at the time it was written. It is just that we forgot what our forefathers knew and have adopted western science.

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libsrocks

@libsrocks

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Posted: 11 years ago

#16

@shinya,@alchemist, @spuja

thanks for your detailed post...i guess i some way ther eare many emotional negative effects of surrogacy also but like @skelpbun said ''either give up the craze of apna khoon or ur morals"

do you think these all circumsyances can be avoided if singhs take help of professional surroggate mother who is used to surorgacy rtaher than someone who is new at it?

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SPuja

@SPuja

Rocker

Posted: 11 years ago

#17

I don't think there are professional surrogate mothers- they do it for financial reasons just like the so called professional blood doners or like many kidney doners etc. The procedure has its drawbacks which the concerned parties have to bear.

They may even show Ganga carrying her pregnancy to full term and just like Gahna, nothing will happen to Ganga or her child.

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Vidya

@Shinya

Rocker

Posted: 11 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: libsrocks
@shinya,@alchemist, @spuja
thanks for your detailed post...i guess i some way ther eare many emotional negative effects of surrogacy also but like @skelpbun said ''either give up the craze of apna khoon or ur morals"
do you think these all circumsyances can be avoided if singhs take help of professional surroggate mother who is used to surorgacy rtaher than someone who is new at it?

why is surrogacy required in the first place?

Why cant they just accept her as she is ? Isnt ganga being treated just as she was in her first marriage, child bearing tool ??

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SPuja

@SPuja

Rocker

Posted: 11 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: Shinya

why is surrogacy required in the first place?

Why cant they just accept her as she is ? Isnt ganga being treated just as she was in her first marriage, child bearing tool ??

At present, yes. Only difference is while Ratan Singh's family was torturing Ganga, Jagdish Singh's family is nice to Ganga.

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libsrocks

@libsrocks

Rocker

Posted: 11 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: Shinya

why is surrogacy required in the first place?

Why cant they just accept her as she is ? Isnt ganga being treated just as she was in her first marriage, child bearing tool ??

true...dadisa had no scarcity of great grand children that too of family's blood...wonder why is she trying so hard to get some solution for ganga's pregnancy...does marriages happen just to populate our country's all ready growing over population? 🤢

thnakfully jagya is least bothered and happy with mannu...if he can adjust why are elders making drama (sumitra is worst...i think just becoz of others she is not tellings off ganga for not getting pregnant otherwise i feel she is ready to have her great grand child at the cost of ganga's life)

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