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Posted: 12 years ago
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Debbie,

Anandi had goal of being a teacher and making some difference in society. Later her goal was family.

We can't say Anandi has no goal.

I agree that Anandi should have made her stand clear to Shekhars...that if Sanchi is unable to adjust or cope after marriage then they shouldn't come blaming her. Also she needed to make it clear that even if Jagya listens to her it does not mean she remote-controls him and can mould him as anyone wants.

She may not want to fight but she can ask poilitely, that if matter is about teling truth then why is it an issue of maayka and sasra?

That said, I don't think Shiv is behaving like some mother hen who kicks offspring out of the nest to make it learn how to fly on its own!

Shiv only hands down his decision and washes his hands. Then he leaves people to work around it.

Like he first declared he loved Anandi and would marry her. And left family to cope with this decision.

You talk of Anandi's coping mechanism. I wonder what coping was Shiv doing throughout these months!

Anyway, right now he has suddenly decided to salvage his hurt ego and assuage his guilt of not doing anything for sister in past so he has announced his decision to Anandi and Singhs and left them to deal with.

He's like those men who make their decision, announce it and leave others to cope.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Excellent and much needed one debbie ..
There was a story in my childhood about a ferocious snake who used to bite every one ..then a saint came gave her Gyan and the snake became too good even stopped hissing, then everyone who used to go by the road started throwing rocks at her ..Then after some days the saint came back and asked "what happned ""..the snake told every thing ..
then the saint told " one can't forgot who we are " ..Then the Snake started to hiss but not bite ,,then again everyone stopped hitting

I think the story goes to Anandi also who used to be tigress now became a cat( even a cat becomes a tiger when it is in a closed room)

Anandi should protect herself ( being Mum is not giving respect to elders but losing self respect )
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Skepblun

Debbie,

Anandi had goal of being a teacher and making some difference in society. Later her goal was family.

We can't say Anandi has no goal.

I agree that Anandi should have made her stand clear to Shekhars...that if Sanchi is unable to adjust or cope after marriage then they shouldn't come blaming her. Also she needed to make it clear that even if Jagya listens to her it does not mean she remote-controls him and can mould him as anyone wants.

She may not want to fight but she can ask poilitely, that if matter is about teling truth then why is it an issue of maayka and sasra?

That said, I don't think Shiv is behaving like some mother hen who kicks offspring out of the nest to make it learn how to fly on its own!

Shiv only hands down his decision and washes his hands. Then he leaves people to work around it.

Like he first declared he loved Anandi and would marry her. And left family to cope with this decision.

You talk of Anandi's coping mechanism. I wonder what coping was Shiv doing throughout these months!

Anyway, right now he has suddenly decided to salvage his hurt ego and assuage his guilt of not doing anything for sister in past so he has announced his decision to Anandi and Singhs and left them to deal with.

He's like those men who make their decision, announce it and leave others to cope.



Well question is not how Shiv behaving. But question is what Anandi is doing in retaliation.
If a senior rags you in college; would you keep mum or take action?
If a topper, ex-Sarpanch can not stand for herself what an average Indian girl would do?
What kind of role model she is playing in the show?

I think I found her immature the day Choti Maa asked her "How would you manage family with your work" before marriage.

She said "Family would always be my first priority.." and may be "If everyone allows then I would think of working.." blah blah.

Do we consider Anandi's marriage is the worst marriage in Indian society? I hope not.

Let me jot down the extreme conditions under which girls (even educated ones) have to live.

1. Physical violence
2. Husband cheating, having relationship with others
3. Dowry issues
4. Husband not in relationship with girl
5. Impotency
and the list is long.

Which category she belongs to? I would consider her problem at in-laws place is pretty minor one.

She herself is not strong enough to manage 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: aspbhargavi

Excellent and much needed one debbie ..

There was a story in my childhood about a ferocious snake who used to bite every one ..then a saint came gave her Gyan and the snake became too good even stopped hissing, then everyone who used to go by the road started throwing rocks at her ..Then after some days the saint came back and asked "what happned ""..the snake told every thing ..
then the saint told " one can't forgot who we are " ..Then the Snake started to hiss but not bite ,,then again everyone stopped hitting

I think the story goes to Anandi also who used to be tigress now became a cat( even a cat becomes a tiger when it is in a closed room)

Anandi should protect herself ( being Mum is not giving respect to elders but losing self respect )


Thanks Bhargavi.

Yes I was initially choosing between the story u told and "Law of diminishing returns" and I finally chose the later. Very well said. Nice Pancha Tantra story with very apt teaching 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Debbiee



Well question is not how Shiv behaving. But question is what Anandi is doing in retaliation.
If a senior rags you in college; would you keep mum or take action?
If a topper, ex-Sarpanch can not stand for herself what an average Indian girl would do?
What kind of role model she is playing in the show?

I think I found her immature the day Choti Maa asked her "How would you manage family with your work" before marriage.

She said "Family would always be my first priority.." and may be "If everyone allows then I would think of working.." blah blah.

Do we consider Anandi's marriage is the worst marriage in Indian society? I hope not.

Let me jot down the extreme conditions under which girls (even educated ones) have to live.

1. Physical violence
2. Husband cheating, having relationship with others
3. Dowry issues
4. Husband not in relationship with girl
5. Impotency
and the list is long.

Which category she belongs to? I would consider her problem at in-laws place is pretty minor.

She herself is not strong herself to manage 😊

Well said Debbie. Why should anandi leave shiv for such a petty issue. What they are showing in BV right now is a very small worry. It's anandi who is making it big by crying and getting confused.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: PRB_Shonit


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Having said that, God helps them who help themselves.. Anandi can give lectures to all village wives/girls not to tolerate any nonsense from anyone, always to stand up for the right and against the wrong, and here when she herself is required to follow the same, she gives such confusing expressions and is letting anyone come and insult her, treat her liuke doormat.. !!
Practise what you preach Anandi ! 😡


Agreed.

I think by doing so the CVs are catering to the viewers of villages and small towns. So that if she would quit her in-laws place some day (I said if she does so) she would have some points to back her. However I consider this one of the most stupid track 🤢
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Debbiee

Ansh & Law of Diminishing Returns


Now the curve of returns goes downwards.

Anandi left her job. She does not prepare mouth-watering pakodas anymore, or may be not upto the taste of her mom/sister-in-law. She has nothing meaningful to do; she alongwith the other duo of house watches Sas-Bahu serials on tele. Listening to tantrums from anyone & everyone of the show is her goal of life now.


The curve now moving down-down-downwards beyond the red mark as Shiv might have realized his mistake in choosing the life partner who has no goal, no initiative and no coping mechanism in life. For how long someone speak for somebody if a grown up man/woman can not stand for him/herself. Even the mother kicks her children from the nest if the baby bird is too scared of flying. May be that's what Anandi needs now. A big shock which would make her think where exactly she failed miserably.

Being only good is not enough in life. You need to make your own place in life so that others would start respecting you on their own.

Anandi; respect could never be demanded; but commanded.

Agree - the curve is moving down wards but why should Anandi be held responsible for that?
When he got transferred to Udaipur he made tall promises like he would make KB heaven on earth for her and help her make a new life for herself etc where did all those promises go?
She finally committed herself to him and she made the ultimate comitment in her love for him.
She left a life that she had built for herself with sweat and blood and tears and hard work and went along with him.
What she left behind was lot more than he gave her.What did she get ?A honey moon in Kashmir and after that what else?
She was left to take care of his family who are nothing but a bunch of strangers to her while he got busy with his own life.
She spent her time and energy adjusting to be a part of his world which consisted of his family with very little help from.What exactly did she get from him for that an occasional hug?

I definitely do not think that the curve is going down beyond red line.I think that is over reacting to a down swing in marriage.
What exactly is the indication that Shiv thinks that he made a mistake in chosing her as his wife?
Did he not chose for her outspoken ness?Did he not chose her because she is a woman with a mind of her own?
Isn't that's what she is doing right now?She just told him that she thinks him and his family and his sister are wrong in this issue.
If she was someone with no individuality or an independent thought would she have told him that?
Her mother in law knows that her DIL is not with them in this.How does her mother in law know that her daughter in law will go against her family in the court?Because she knows that her DIL has a mind of her own and she will do exactly what she feels is right according to her.

Where does Anandi come across as someone with no goal?Her goal has always been to bring about change in the society or in the community around her.She is forever working towards that goal.
Right now her family is her priority.Her family is not filled with the likes of Ratan Singh where a firm stand is required.These are ordinary folks who have their own minus and plus points and one has to live with family.One can only hope that good sense kicks in are create conditions where good sense kicks in.

Where is she expecting her husband to speak for her?She is just keeping quiet because there is no point in talking.She tried to make them see sense and failed and they are the ones who will pay the price.She is crying because she is definitely going to hurt them with her testimony in the court.Her crying and tolerating all that why should it be taken as lack of self respect?Why can't it be taken as patience?

Is Anandi's worth determined by how much respect she commands from the likes of Ira and Sanchi?Because in the same house CM Mahi to an extent Alok respect her and understand her.So what does that make of Ira and Sanchi?

Lastly I do not understand how you came to a conclusion that Shiv thinks that he made a mistake😕
In what way do you think Anandi has failed?

Just because someone comes across as one with no fixed goals in life doesn't mean that they lead a purpose less existence.
Successful people are the ones who mould themselves to meet the needs of the people and community around them.They are the ones who will be remembered and whose works will be cherished.

I have read an auto biography of a doctor whose only goal in life when she was teenager was to have a husband children and spend her life looking after them.But she could never meet the goal because her life has changed when she witnessed three women dying during child birth in one single in the village she was living in and her life was changed by that she became a doctor and she opened a medical school to train women as doctors and today the small institution she started huge hospital.It was never her goal in life but she just responded to the needs of the people around her and her work that she started 100 years ago continues to flourish.

Anandi is someone who grows by trying to meet the needs of the people around her and those people may be her family her it could be her dhobi or it could be anybody.Goal less existence need not be a meaning less existence.






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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thanks for your critical analysis aparnauma.

Yes we do not know whether Shiv thinks that she is a failure or done mistake in marrying her. We might assume that. He might still be in passionate love with his wife as he was before. We never know 😕

However I believe; I said it's my opinion that every human being should work in our country. Recently I was working towards a creation of a job portal on net and I came to know that 40% of the advertised jobs never get recruited as companies don't get the skill they look for.

When we work we add to the welfare of our country. Or else why we should get educated and waste money that govt is spending in schools and colleges for free? This is something goes from we; the tax payers. 😊 Why someone would waste a seat especially for higher education wasting national resources if he/she aims at doing nothing significant out of that knowledge?

If a topper and ex-Sarpanch need to give higher priority to married life and has no particular stand in choosing her career what would we expect out of an average Indian girl?

Why did not she say "I am confident enough I can manage both my responsibilities successfully!!?? For me both are equally important"

As I said, I believe her problems in in-laws place is a very minor one. Yes, with Jagdish it was major as he slept with another girl and created havoc in her life.

However she learnt nothing out of it whereas any average girl would try to be independent after such a heart-wrenching shock. She still said "I would work only if everyone in in-laws place would allow" 🤢
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Posted: 12 years ago
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That's the biggest flaw of Anandi...she is brave and intelligent and speaks fearlessly but only for outsiders not for herself or her own family...she just dos not see the difference between being patient in tough times and fighting for your self-respect...no matter how much stress today Shekhars are in they have no right to blame Anandi like this and Anandi needs to realize that soon...@Debbie i don't think Anandi will ever realize this big shortcoming in her character unless someone directly speaks or rather lectures her on this...it's not the first time people have trodden over her and after whatever happened it surprises me how much dumb she can be...Anandi needs to tell Ira that she herself brought her as bahu of KB respectfully so it's her duty to talk to her properly...tell Saanchi to behave properly...why does she get so down in front of Saanchi...Anandi is very weak character...Shekhars in that sense are very real...even in real world pepole don't respect people like Anandi for her patience and everything...they actually look up to girls who can control their sasural properly and manage to retain their respect...why is she so afraid of getting thrown from KB...it's no dhrama sankat here...no strong willed girl would want support from a family who keeps changing their behavior towards their bahu according to their daughter's mood
P.S going to take at least one week break from this rubbish serial ...bye for now 😊
Edited by libsrocks - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Debbie

I quite liked your post on importance of working. 😊

I think it was really inspirational when Anandi was working as teacher and later became Sarpanch. DS, Gehna and Sumitra were also educating themselves or refreshing their learning.

CVs killed it all to make Anandi the same housewife as she was in BH. Holding trays, bearing worst behavior or hiding flaws of brats.

I think Anandi should work and have some life of her own because if one has suffered such shocks in life earlier then one must be prepared for anything.

I hate how working and education in BV are only for single/widowed or broken marriage girls! 😡

In that sense rival like DABH is better. At least the girl hasn't abandoned her dream to be IPS officer!

I think Anandi is too much under influence of DS conditioning and has inferiority complex and fears due to her past. She became more wary after Ira blasted her for UD drama.
Since then Ira and Sanchi have been blaming her often even for things where she had no role, like Sanchi's rape or everyone drunk on bhaang on Holi (it was Sanchi's job!).

Ira and Sanchi, earlier CM, then some colleagues of Shekhars keep bringing up Anandi's rural background and divorce child bride again and again. This makes her reluctant to act or raise her voice I guess.

She was independent and freespirit only in childhood. After that, systematically people have worked on moulding her and making her feel she needs some support or needs to bear anything that sasra or beend do.

All this Tigress mode is for outsiders. Not immediate family.

Rest, I think we should not forget that she is new in Shekhar family. Most Indian women are clueless or submissive when they are newly married.

I think that weird and backward ceremony itself had shown what Shekhars expected Anandi to do - Ira yelping something, Shiv drawing out plates with his sword and Anandi silently holding them all and balancing them all. 😡

Anandi might have held those plates. But handling people is not as easy as handling plates!

I think main reason for Anandi being confused is that her marriage is not outright bad or violent. I mean, they aren't torturing her. Or violent. So she tries to give them a chance or hopes not to offend them. She knows how much they love Sanchi. She wonders if anyone will trust her or not. After all, Ira did blast her saying, "You mean my daughter has some weakness? You think she is not worth it for marriage to Jagya?"
And Mr. Shiv also did not accept when Anandi told him truth of Sanchi. He was silent. Then accused her of deliberately not telling this earlier and letting family be insulted, saying "Mom was right!".
He did laugh off or brush aside her reservations earlier too.

No wonder Anandi was confused whether to speak up or not.

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