Jagya is not a manipulator - Page 3

Originally posted by: SRKLuvr

Oh come on. If he can marry without the family's permission he can also refuse to marry Sanchi. He isn't a kid anymore. If he chooses to follow his family that's his choice. He agreed for this rishta and several times Ira and Shiv asked him if he was ok with the rishta and he always said don't worry I know what I'm doing. Yeh he does know what he is doing. J has no finesse or tact at all. Never has had.

It's ok, I know you hate him. We'll agree to disagree. Ira and Shiv asked him several times? They asked him once each and that too on the wrong occasions, was he happy marrying Sanchi no? But he was happy that at least Sanchi loves his family & they love her, later on he got to know that love was a face. That coffee shop incident gets shown over and over as if it's the only time Sanchi talked smack abt the Singhs, in fact she did it several times esp. with that girl Payal whom Anandi was staring at the other day.

Originally posted by: yanks28

It's ok, I know you hate him. We'll agree to disagree. Ira and Shiv asked him several times? They asked him once each and that too on the wrong occasions, was he happy marrying Sanchi no? But he was happy that at least Sanchi loves his family & they love her, later on he got to know that love was a face. That coffee shop incident gets shown over and over as if it's the only time Sanchi talked smack abt the Singhs, in fact she did it several times esp. with that girl Payal whom Anandi was staring at the other day.

Originally posted by: leavesandwaves

Jagya's fault is that he is not a manipulator. Atleast this time.

He was foolish enough to agree rishta with sanchi and everything snowballed afterwards. He could have asked for time to consider and then refuse.

He was foolish enough to break the engagement and also marry ganga within days which made his actions blameworthy in the eyes of the law.

Originally posted by: SRKLuvr

[My god the way he trumped it up today saying that both families would have gone through hell if Sanchi came into the family jeez!

Originally posted by: SRKLuvr

And normally when you're engaged to someone you don't usually break the rishta without even TELLING them especially when you know they have feelings for you. Why did he just believe his ears and not talk to Sanchi? Do normal people break relations like that? Its common courtesy. There is also something called showing a little tact and understanding of the situation which he never does. My god the way he trumped it up today saying that both families would have gone through hell if Sanchi came into the family jeez! Sounds sooo hypocritical coming from him.

He admitted it was wrong for him not to tell anyone before breaking it up. He is impulsive. That's his nature. If Sanchi & Jagya got married and were unhappy together do you think the Shekars would have taken it if it had come to divorce? That's what it meant today that if their feelings are so hurt over a broken engagement, how would they have reacted to a broken marriage and when a marriage is broken both sides are to be blamed, Sanchi would have been equally blamed but here at least he took the blame upon himself, the Shekars think he is fully responsible including Shiv.

Shiv has many reasons before him , lots of evidence to make him see that Sanchi's actions/intentions were somewhat questionable like bribing a pandit twice & all he things she said abt the Singhs.

Today no one was wrong except Shiv and the Shekars are incredibly pompous and hypocritical people and I refuse to accept that they know nothing abt Sanchi's nature. If she is so normal then why don't they take her to a psychologist like the doc suggested? No they are more interested in revenging the person who saved this useless girl from getting raped.

I personally feel even if Jagya had broken this alliance diplomatically earlier, Sanchi would have created this mess in a different way.

Now when she knew he is married, Sa wants to avenge him and has dragged him to court . What different it would have been earlier, still she would have brainwashed Sumi against Ganga and it would have progressed in another direction and J would have been in this mess no matter what. Sa is mentally unstable and she is obsessed over J..

I guess Sa's negative character has a strong influence in their family so by any means thro' A they would have dragged J in.

I know we discussed a lot about J coming to mess was his own fault or not still I felt like sharing my views about him.
I strongly see J is a changed man now and because of that he has agreed to this relationship in the first place and also he thought A was in it too. Though his heart was not in it completely but gave a chance for others to decide for their happiness sake. Later he also saw Sanchi was changing her outlook and thoughts to suit his family. So I guess that was why he promised S on his engagement day too, to give importance to relationship.

I think the coffee shop incident triggered his conscience and speaking to A he realized A did not bring this alliance in the first place and he was forced to in the name of A and he broke the alliance and the rest is a mess.

Originally posted by: SRKLuvr

Shekhars are not at fault I feel. They don't know Sanchi's truth. Put yourself in their shoes and ask yourself what you would do. According to them Sanchi loved J a lot and was changing herself only for him and then he went and married another girl by saying he had loved her all along. Now the way J has made the situation (rapid breaking of engagement and wedding to another girl two days later then saying he had loved her all along) of course the family is going to think he broke the rishta for his own convenience, used the reason that Sanchi was not compatible for him (and of course they are going to think that's bonkers considering the number of times they asked him if he was ok with the rishta) and for Ganga he broke it off and broke Sanchi's heart due to which she tried to commit suicide. THAT makes the incitement case and therein lies the Shekhar's anger. I feel from their POV its completely justified.

I think Shekhars were wrong.

Daddu was right in his initial judgement that Sanchi was infatuated with Jagya it was not love. They were wrong in judging her, looking past OBVIOUS flaws in her and lapses in her drama.

Do they not know as family, the real nature and expectations of their daughter? Do they think nature can be changed in few months?

They did not even think of pressure that Singhs must have felt at their proposal due to them being Anandi's in laws. They did not say even once, that Singhs were free to take their decision. Rather they were pressurising them talking of bachchi ki khushi ka sawaal.

They did not give any time to Singhs and kept sitting at BH as if they wanted a decision right then!

Suicide - sorry. They were wrong in letting Sanchi meet the same friends again, due to which this problem had occurred. They were wrong in leaving Sanchi alone and un-monitored in such a vulnerable condition.

They were wrong in carrying forward proposal for the same guy who they did not like, did not want as SIL and whose past they had problems with. When as parents you are apprehensive about the boy then why do you agree for marriage of your daughter to him? Beti ki zidd is no excuse in such serious matters.

Shekhars are NOT entirely right or excusable in this situation. Though I agree, Jagya should not have agreed and definitely should not have given reassurances to Shiv or Ira when they asked him.

Today SHiv said that once Jagya is in jail he and Sanchi will move on in life, no you fool...Sanchi committed a crime by attempting suicide and she can go to jail for up to 1 year, the laws don't apply to you I guess , you are above the law and pulling the strings I guess.

I personally don't buy the argument that everyone should be breaking into a happy-happy dance because a marriage would have been worse than a broken engagement.

I agree with yanks here. If a family is reacting this way before marriage then imagine what would they have done if Singhs or Jagya had raised issues on Sanchi's demands and behaviour after marriage! Ira would have accused them of emotionally torturing her princess, putting false accusations at her and would have listed how many great sacrifices they and Sanchi had made to make this marriage possible. Ira would be condescending the same way as she is towards Anandi.

God forbid if situation had come to a divorce, then it is understood what this family would have done, given how they are reacting to break up of an engagement.

I think Shekhars are power drunk egomaniacs who only think of their izzat, but have no value for respect of others.Sanchi's shameless behaviour is always dismissed as her nature or small mistake or childishness. Shekhars were not that ashamed even when Sanchi insulted that Australian NRI guy and his family, refusing their marriage proposal. They momentarily felt bad, then went back to molly-cuddling Sanchi.