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koolsadhu1000

@koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Well not with me or some like minded viewers . Although JAGAN romance is enjoyable , i don't believe , rape , domestic abuse etc should be ignored if person is of young age and opposite gender . And if the help is given individually and not through an NGO it is a personal decision of an adult . Neither should ANY third individual butt in and say that help must now be stopped . Waiting for Jagya's answer tomorrow .

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Picasso9

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
<font color="#0000ff">Why should her work be only compared if the one she is helping is only from opposite gender . The comparison is in the principle of the thing , not on the basis of gender or whether the victim is single or a group . Should work started be left mid way due to family pressure when the victim or victims have taken steps with ur advice is the question </font>.

I agree Kools.

It's the principle involved. Sumi had a problem helping Ganga (or so she told her family) because of the danger factor to her son and family.

Ira is against samaj seva for the same reason : the danger it poses to her DIL, her daughter and her family. So how is it not the same in principle. Fact is Ira also did not say I did not like my DIl going to a bar where there are drunk men present. She never touched on the propriety of that.

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 12 years ago

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That going to the bar can have been made a propriety issue by Ira . Saanchi staying unmarried nursing Jagdish , doing his aarti etc could be made a propriety issue . The Singhs chose not to . They did not vilify the Shekhar child so today how r the Shekhars quick to vilify the Singh son . When he TOLD his family , did not LIE .While their daughter got a tattoo without telling them , without even knowing the feelings of the boy . Was that propriety . As i see it , they hang propriety on a hook when it suits them ...all of them . Ira , Saanchi , Anandi all . Jagya's tragedy is that he has a mom like Sumitra who is not wise like CM but so self effacing in front of Ira and Saanchi that she devlaues her own son . Imagine , phonning Saanchi and APOLOGISING THAT Jagya WAS wrong . It is between son and fiancee why should Sumitra even phone in the middle of all this , wait to talk to ur son na . Where is your dignity .Any other mother would have kept the private differences with the son aside and be pissed off at Samdhan's arrogant tone . She was in a way casting aspersions on her son's character . Where was the basic trust that Bhairon spoke off and does Sumitra really feel that such a sasural would be the best thing happening to her son ? Amazing .

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Angie

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Posted: 12 years ago

#24

Interesting post everyone.

Jagya to me is one of the most well etched and interesting character of this show. He is grey character and unlike Anandi, his characterization has more or less been kept constant. Even when he was negative and mistreating Anandi, they used to show glimpses of his remorse. Then when he broke up with Gauri and decided to put on fake act, even then they showed a tussle between his good and bad side where the bad side won.

His redemption track has been done very well and to me he has redeemed himself. The person he wronged the most is now happily settled in life with a loving husband/family (ignoring Ira/Sanchi) and he has made amends to other family members. It is another thing that his mother is using that guilt to suffocate him.

Today's episode was good because first of all after a long time, there was another side to Ira too. Despite her unreasonableness and extreme destructive love for Sanchi, there is some underlying concern for Anandi too. But Sanchi makes her blind to everything. Also she is a very insecure woman, who probably agreed to let Shiv marry Anandi by convincing herself that she is doing a good deed for a helpless forsaken girl. Now that is the thing that is coming out in open. She is quite a hypocrite having double standards for Shiv and Anandi. Her father in law was in military and brother in law died while fighting. So by her reasoning, nobody should be in military. Also her opposition to Anandi is coming out less because of her worry for her, but more because she as usual has started to blame Anandi for "wrongs" being done to Sanchi.

Anyway, what I want to see is Anandi. She has been made too passive where she is siding with Ira to keep peace in her house. They should show old Anandi who used to stand up against the wrong even if her family would not like it. Here except for Ira, everyone is supporting her. So they need to show her more strong.

Kools and Leaves wrote in some other posts about Jagya marrying Ganga without even informing Sumitra. I think that would be a great idea and may happen that way only. Jagya completing his MDin Mangalore is the best idea and they may show that too. That's why his friends were shown to mention that. And I do want Anandi to support him now. Even if she doesn't owe Jagya anything, she is considered a daughter of that house. So she should not support sending a girl who will be destructive in that family.

Edited by Angie12 - 12 years ago

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koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Angie it all depends on Anandi meeting the pundit and finding out that her nanand is not so innocent and is faking a lot of things . That will set her thinking . But for the first time Jagya should not listen to Anandi but his own conscience and continue his help by ignoring them and clearly give Ira a message that if u want u can back off . His mother is too self effacinfg and has devalued him as if Ira's great virgin daughter is doing them a favour by marrying her divorcee son and coming in their house .

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leavesandwaves

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Posted: 12 years ago

#26

Anandi's social work is different from Jagya's. Infact Jagya's social work is now confined to one person or two if we take mannu also. That is at micro level whereas anandi's is at macro level or , general. I dont think that anandi will ask Jagya to stop helping ganga. She may tell him to help her but without getting emotionally involved.
Now Jagya has to assert himself and may say that he is emotionally attached to mannu and he will visit them whenever the need arises.
Anandi may say that sanchi and Ira are not too pleased about this.
Then Jagya may say that he will talk to them.

Will Ira tell Jagya outrightly that he has to cut off all his ties with ganga if he wants to marry sanchi?
Will Jagya say that he wont cut off his ties with ganga and Ira has to accept and trust him.

Hope they will breakoff and Jagya is set free.

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Angie

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
Angie it all depends on Anandi meeting the pundit and finding out that her nanand is not so innocent and is faking a lot of things . That will set her thinking . But for the first time Jagya should not listen to Anandi but his own conscience and continue his help by ignoring them and clearly give Ira a message that if u want u can back off . His mother is too self effacinfg and has devalued him as if Ira's great virgin daughter is doing them a favour by marrying her divorcee son and coming in their house .

If the CVs keep Jagya consistent, then they will show him not listening to Anandi but continuing on his path. Well, Sumitra is definitely feeling that she is getting a boon by getting this virginal, educated girl from a well-to-do family who also did a favor to them by marrying their never married eligible son to their divorced daughter in law whom her son had wronged. Ira is also thinking the same and that's why she lords over Sumitra. Sumitra is giving Ira and Sanchi the power because she herself has no qualms going behind his son's back and undermining his decisions. She has now done it twice. She is not even talking to Anandi these days. Instead it is Sanchi who is her new best buddy whom she must keep happy so that Ira is happy.

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Angie

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Posted: 12 years ago

#28

Leaves, Jagya needs ultimatums to break off from Sanchi. The passive/aggressive approach of Ira/Sanchi will kept him away from breaking the engagement because he will always have that guilt feeling of doing wrong to Sanchi. He needs clean ultimatums from the trio - Sumitra, Ira and Sanchi. Then he will break up with Sanchi regardless of Shiv's displeasure or Anandi's neutral behavior.

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Picasso9

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Posted: 12 years ago

#29

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
That going to the bar can have been made a propriety issue by Ira . Saanchi staying unmarried nursing Jagdish , doing his aarti etc could be made a propriety issue . The Singhs chose not to . They did not vilify the Shekhar child so today how r the Shekhars quick to vilify the Singh son . When he TOLD his family , did not LIE .While their daughter got a tattoo without telling them , without even knowing the feelings of the boy . Was that propriety . As i see it , they hang propriety on a hook when it suits them ...all of them . Ira , Saanchi , Anandi all . Jagya's tragedy is that he has a mom like Sumitra who is not wise like CM but so self effacing in front of Ira and Saanchi that she devlaues her own son . Imagine , phonning Saanchi and APOLOGISING THAT Jagya WAS wrong . It is between son and fiancee why should Sumitra even phone in the middle of all this , wait to talk to ur son na . Where is your dignity .Any other mother would have kept the private differences with the son aside and be pissed off at Samdhan's arrogant tone . She was in a way casting aspersions on her son's character . Where was the basic trust that Bhairon spoke off and does Sumitra really feel that such a sasural would be the best thing happening to her son ? Amazing .

@red

It is a tragedy. Sumitra has never really been there for her son. I was quite perturbed actually at the way in which she sought Saanchi out to further cement Saanchi's views. A good mother would have advised Saanchi to be more understanding. Heck even Ira should have done that. But for Sumi to take gossiping behind her sons back to another level is just not on. When she spoke to Ira on the phone, (even though it was loaded in guilt) I thought chalo at least she was listening to Jagya because she cited all the proper reasons Jagya needed to go. But Ira, like a vulture, sensed the falseness in her voice and pounced. Such a pity that they are showing a dichotomy in Sumitra. She is more loyal to her bahu's than her own son. ...hmmm how realistic is that in rural India, since we've been told BV is based on reality.

Edited to add: the argument can be raised that Jagya's past history has made Sumitra wary and hence she has no trust in her son. But I counter that as follows;

Instead of devaluing her son every chance she gets why not keep her debased opinions to herself and voice it in a more mature, constructive manner directly with her son (not like a screaming banshee). For Sumitra: If you can do no good then do no harm. If you have nothing good to say, don't say anything at all.

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deejagi

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Posted: 12 years ago

#30

Originally posted by: Angie12

If the CVs keep Jagya consistent, then they will show him not listening to Anandi but continuing on his path. Well, Sumitra is definitely feeling that she is getting a boon by getting this virginal, educated girl from a well-to-do family who also did a favor to them by marrying their never married eligible son to their divorced daughter in law whom her son had wronged. Ira is also thinking the same and that's why she lords over Sumitra. Sumitra is giving Ira and Sanchi the power because she herself has no qualms going behind his son's back and undermining his decisions. She has now done it twice. She is not even talking to Anandi these days. Instead it is Sanchi who is her new best buddy whom she must keep happy so that Ira is happy.

Meeting with the Pandit will happen only when both Ira & Sanchi faulter with urgent marriage and get a auspicious date for a sooner date by forgetting that they were the people who said no auspicious days for next 4 months. Only then it will strike to Anandi that the pandit from Jaietser talked about 17th being the better date than 16th. Even it might strike other shekars since Sanchi made everyones life misserable when they talked about Shiv's importants visiters and meeting.

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