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Posted: 12 years ago
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@lovesunshine,
first big hug to you 🤗
I don't have full answers to your questions because I don't know what your parents are really like. It is hard to assess them from just one post on the forum.
But a couple of things --
When I said I respect my daughters more and not my son, I didn't really mean it in terms of academic success, or not taking help from me etc... it was just that the girls had a great conscience, a great sense of right and wrong... and that really presented them with a good foundation for taking care of their own lives... and left me with nothing much to do.
One of my daughters was really brilliant in her studies, my second daughter was average but very, very hardworking ... and they both became doctors. But its not because I love them for being doctors. I respect them because they had a conscience and their values.
My son kind of wandered off into bad company, drugs, alcohol etc. etc. and really had no conscience. He didn't care about hurting himself, hurting others etc. Even today, he is reformed but has no job, no goals etc. I don't care about him even working for the sake of earning. If he wants, he can eat off me for the rest of my life. I do however want him to work to keep his mind occupied and just have a healthy sense of self-esteem in terms of achieving goals and projects no matter how small. He is not academically inclined at all, but is very gifted with his hands.
I feel he would be great as a video editor or a mechanic even. He doesn't necessarily need to become a dentist for me because he is gifted with his hands.
So, I would respect my son if he would just get off his butt and do something. 😆 And when I meant "extra work" -- I didn't mean in settling him, but we did a lot of running around for his rehabilitation, his prison time, getting him out of jail etc. Exhausting. All because of his lack of values and his lack of conscience.
If I had a daughter like you, I would have been very proud of you even with your commerce education and your call center job and respected you AS LONG AS YOU DID YOUR BEST.
And when I say your best, I mean your best. Your best does not mean the best of your sister or the best of someone else.
My son needs to do HIS best according to his understanding and capabilities. I don't care about him performing up to the mark of my first daughter's best or my second daughter's best or Bill Gates' best. Unfortunately, he doesn't do that, and keeps wasting his life on the couch watching tv. I have come to the conclusion now that maybe this is perfect for him in the current moment on his own spiritual journey, and that when the time is right, he will have inspiration from within to do the next best thing.
That being said, it is not important any more for you to focus on why your parents feel the way they do, it is irrelevant.
I think you are falling into a certain trap that we all do, of requiring validation, before you can feel good about yourself.
i.e. you want your parents to feel good about your choices, so that you can observe them feeling good about you, and ONLY THEN conclude for yourself that your choices were good.
What this means is that you set yourself up for a trap of being at the mercy of others to feel good about yourself and your choices. You see what I mean?
And this will show up in other areas of your life.
e.g.
You will need to get admission to a prestigious college, so that you can observe the college feeling good about you, and ONLY THEN conclude for yourself that you are smart and brilliant.
or
You will need to have a very fancy car, so that you can observe the neighbours feeling jealous of you, and ONLY THEN conclude that you are rich and uppity.
or
You will need to have your husband buy you a diamond necklace, so that you can observe the necklace, and ONLY THEN conclude that you are a desirable woman.
You are setting yourself up for failure and giving away your power by always being dependent on a second party's certificate of approval before you can feel good about yourself.
So STOP IT.
CUT. IT. OUT.
Just decide you are x y z without someone else's certificate of approval (regardless of the form it comes in).
Stop telling the story of your second-rate college, and your second-rate job at the call centre ... because all that is, is just a reflection of your parents' disapproval.
Just decide you are smart/hard-working/desirable/loving/rich/abundant ON YOUR OWN without requiring validation from others.
I suspect this is what your sister does. This is her aura. She has decided that she is something on her own, and your parents just act in accordance with her aura and support that aura. She is independent in her spirit.
You on the other hand give off an aura of neediness, of requiring your parents approval. They sense that and then don't respect you, because they can see that they are the ones in control.
I bet you as soon as you stop caring what they think, they will give you the respect you crave.
My girls never cared what I thought 😆 that is why I respect them I guess. They weren't disobedient but they weren't super obedient either.
My son always needed some validation or other, and I just wished he would get on with his life without constantly turning to me for approval. It becomes exhausting on a parent sometimes to deal with this all the time. 😆😆.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Also, lovesunshine, about your two children, (the first existing one, and the second one in the pipeline for when you feel ready)
Here is some advice from a friend who gave me solace:
" It's not about what the children want or how the children feel - it is not your job to discern what THEY are feeling. It's your job to discern how YOU are feeling and then act or not act accordingly.
Does the thought of giving the child what it wants feel GOOD? Then DO IT. Does the thought of taking a plaything away from the child feel GOOD (which I doubt will often be the case, but it could well sometimes be so)? Then DO IT. But do not give in to demands that feel off TO YOU just so that your child won't "hate" you.

Do know this: If you are making it a condition that they get happy so that YOU can get happy and then reward them for making YOU happy, you are effectively training them away from THEIR Guidance. And you really don't want that ..."
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Posted: 12 years ago
#43
Thanks a million Kools, Sectoreight and Seetha for your encouraging words.. 😃🤗
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Posted: 12 years ago
#44
lovesunshine,
you will be fine, because you already have an awareness of the issue. And you are living in your own universe where you get to call the shots! You can consciously make choices.
Your parents lived in a different universe of unawareness. They just lived by default. The society around them told them that a child "should" be a certain way, and then they tried to impose their own goals/agendas/benchmarks on to you to be the way they wanted you to be.
You can easily have your second child now because you know better than your parents. And your only role is to shower the child with appreciation, and show the child (both your children) how happy you are to have them in your life, how much you value their presence and their addition to your family.
As far as their career path is concerned, you can just step back and let the child reveal himself/herself to you - and celebrate his/her own unique talents and skills...as opposed to trying to impose societal standards on the child.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sectoreight

lovesunshine,

you will be fine, because you already have an awareness of the issue. And you are living in your own universe where you get to call the shots! You can consciously make choices.
Your parents lived in a different universe of unawareness. They just lived by default. The society around them told them that a child "should" be a certain way, and then they tried to impose their own goals/agendas/benchmarks on to you to be the way they wanted you to be.
You can easily have your second child now because you know better than your parents. And your only role is to shower the child with appreciation, and show the child (both your children) how happy you are to have them in your life, how much you value their presence and their addition to your family.
As far as their career path is concerned, you can just step back and let the child reveal himself/herself to you - and celebrate his/her own unique talents and skills...as opposed to trying to impose societal standards on the child.

sectoreeight Thanks dear..

well i agree there is generation gap, and also now in recent ten twelve years the things around you in the world and lifestyles have changed so much ..just that parents still dont want to accept the changes...for example...food habits - me and my husband encourage healthy eating habits as in salads , soups etc rather than ghee wali roti n sabzi ...n that never goes down well with my in laws or my parents...they ask me what i had for lunch and i reply a bowl of salad and they are shocked...n say 'isliye itni patli hoti jaa rahi hai, shareer main koi maas hee nahi 😆 n my in laws feel i dont feed my husband well😆... me n my husband have a good laugh abt it as we knw we can't change their mindset.. but we knw the importance of healthy eating and we continue doing so...

so from you above explanation i now get it .. what i want...i am going to continue doing what i want, the way i want...as far as I am not hurting anybody...

abt second child...well i still want to buy a house before i think abt that but whenever I will decide I will let you knw..😊

abt my child's career...well ever since she was 2 yrs she says she wants to work for disney when she grows up and make toys..which I have religiously agreed and appreciated 😉
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: lovesunshine

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abt my child's career...well ever since she was 2 yrs she says she wants to work for disney when she grows up and make toys..which I have religiously agreed and appreciated 😉

National Institute of Design, Ahmedabad has a great department of Toy and Game Design. It is a hot and upcoming field !! You can enrol her there. 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: lovesunshine



so from you above explanation i now get it .. what i want...i am going to continue doing what i want, the way i want...as far as I am not hurting anybody...

yes, exactly!!! But I will take it one step further. I continue what I want to do EVEN IF I AM HURTING SOMEBODY. (I don't mean physical hurt, or evil intentional hurting) but for emotional hurting I don't bother personally.
If I marry someone, and my mother is hurt I will not bother.
If I wear a red dress, and my sister is hurt I will not bother.
I just feel that in India, everyone has an approach "well if you really cared about me then you would change"...
and I just reply with "well if you really cared about me then you wouldn't ask me to change" 😆😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sectoreight

National Institute of Design, Ahmedabad has a great department of Toy and Game Design. It is a hot and upcoming field !! You can enrol her there. 😊

Thanks :) I am not in India...😊but will surely find out sometthing like this in my country of residence..but i really did not that they have a course in toy making..

lets see.kids change preferences as they grow up..right now all she wants is toys toys n more toys..so she thinks one day she will make toys on her own and so she wont have to ask frm parents for more toy..😉

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sectoreight

yes, exactly!!! But I will take it one step further. I continue what I want to do EVEN IF I AM HURTING SOMEBODY. (I don't mean physical hurt, or evil intentional hurting) but for emotional hurting I don't bother personally.

If I marry someone, and my mother is hurt I will not bother.
If I wear a red dress, and my sister is hurt I will not bother.
I just feel that in India, everyone has an approach "well if you really cared about me then you would change"...
and I just reply with "well if you really cared about me then you wouldn't ask me to change" 😆😆

yes just that soemtimes parents have tehir experiences in life nad they can predict what is going to happen in future...for example someone i knw wanted to marry a guy..and her parents opposed the choice...as they knew that the guy was not right for their daughter..but she went ahead and married him..and now she is facing a lot of problems in her married life...but she still continues with this guy because it would be shameful of her to go back to her parents, she does say that given a chance she would readily leave this guy but does not want to takt the step ..so sometimes there are things parents do warn for good...but we ignore and then face the consequences..
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Posted: 12 years ago
#50

lovesunshine,

In general, about your friend, I think one needs to carefully assess what the parents concerns are. If it is just "what will society say" or something like that ... then they may not be great arguments.
But if there are arguments for issues of compatibility etc. which relate to interpersonal issues, then fine okay, listen to parents.

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