Is Ganga also responsible?

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Posted: 12 years ago
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After that epic length discussion on Jagya and after yesterday's episode I wonder if Ganga is also somewhere responsible for spurring Jagya to act the way he did?

Before I begin, let me clarify that I do NOT accuse her of attracting Jagya or inviting that hug towards her.

But her behaviour could be responsible for making Jagya's subconscious take her as a substitute for Anandi.

What is her and Jagya's relationship?

Does she keep herself in limits as per Indian culture and as someone who has no relation to Singhs except for one of humanity and one of being someone who was saved/helped by them?

As a yet-to-be-divorced married woman who is also mother of a kid and has left her home, staying at someone else's home as a shelter given to her for she had nowhere else to go and was vulnerable - is her behaviour in its limits?

Working at Singhs' house is fine. But speaking in their matters, offering advice even when not asked for and giving a promise to Anandi to always take care of the family - isn't it too much for a stranger?

Till now I did not mind much. When Jagya confided about his past to her, I took it as a conversation between a person suffering from guilt to a person who had been a victim of others' atrocities.

But what was Ganga doing yesterday? When J was not having tea,she told him "Yeh chai maine peene ke liye banayi thi" and later she said, "Chai achi lage toh bata dena chahiye" (or something to that effect, excuse my mistake in recalling the dialogue!).

You do not talk like that to a paraya mard as per Indian society norms and culture, do you? One keeps a distance (not just physically) and a certain respectful formality while interacting with a previously unknown person, that too of the opposite sex - and talks in limits while staying as a guest or someone who has taken shelter in someone else's house. One doesn't start talking like a friend or...I mean such kind of talks mainly happen between either close friends, lovers or a married couple or siblings (who share a bond of love, attachment and mischief).

Ganga does not call Jagya as Doctor Bhaisaab. She calls him Doctor saab.

So what is she to Jagya? How come she talks so much and in this way to him?
Are they friends? Can a man and woman just be friends? Did the act that Jagya did that day - mistaking her for his fomer wife Anandi, indicate that his subconscious takes Ganga as just a friend?



Ussey Jagya ko kuredne ka adhikar kisne diya? Kis adhikaar se kuredti hai? (By "kuredna" I wanted to convey that she spurs him to talk, break his silence and respond).

In other films and shows if a man saves a woman and keeps her & her child at his house the woman calls him bhaisaab and makes her kid call him mama or uncle.

That has not happened in BV (and we know why). Knowing that Jagya is a little weak in controlling his impulses and has had a stormy past with women in past, how come Ganga also does not keep a respectful distance from him and talks so much?

I do not say she should boycott him and look at him with suspicion forever. But there is not even a certain formality here.

Does her closeness and frank behaviour and her open mixing up with Singhs - dancing around (at Holi) with other women of the family also contribute to what she faced at hands of an intoxicated Jagya on Holi?

Was she also partly inappropriate in her behaviour according to norms of a conservative Indian village and society?

Okay, she need not call Jaggu her brother but doesn't she mix up too freely and too informally with Singhs and Jaggu?

Here also I would like to highlight a flaw in Singhs. They neither remind Ganga of her limits nor do they gently tell Jagya to avoid talking to Ganga when she and him are alone or at least maintain a certain respectful formality while interacting with her as just a well wisher and good samaritan. They treat Ganga kindly like a family member but there is a difference between being a family member and being like a family member.

Isn't it their responsibility also to regulate their relationship with her and her relationship with them? (Here "them" includes their emotionally fragile son Jagya also)

Either DS or Bhairon should have played a key and urgent role here instead they were shown clueless!

Edited by Skepblun - 12 years ago

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Yes found her chai dialogue a bit odd.More so considering her background.She comes from a very conservative society and after what had transpired,she should have found it odd to be alone in the same room with him,leave alone talk about tea.If I remember right ,she was initially hesitant to even seek a divorce...said once a wife always will be tied to him.But in recent episodes,she seems to be more forward in her outlook.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I did see Ganga maintaining her distance initially. She was not even sharing the same table or same room with Singhs, but slowly she started mixing up. And now she is more of a friend with Jagya and Singhs.

Singhs started her involving in their lives by sharing some personal moments, allowing her to open up, putting responsibilities on her etc. And without realising G too has started taking liberty.

What I also find odd sometimes is the way G gives lectures to Singhs sometimes, which I think could be reduced, but I guess that is where her role is.

However G is no way responsible for J hugging her. Jagya was remembering A and he just ended up hugging someone. It could have been Gulli also or may be Asha or some one else. That was entirely J's fault.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Skepblun: Another 24 pages of replies await you.

I thought that was pure and undiluted flirting that Ganga did with apro Dactarsa yesterday. Smart girl, flirting also has techniques, it has to be subtle 😆 😆 😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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yes ganga ka baat baat pe singh family mein interfere kurna upar se jagya se itne khul kur baat kurna bada hi ajeeb lagta hai jub ki ganga ko jagya se mile jyaada samay hua bhi nahi hai.ganga ko thoda hestitation hona chahiye jagya se aise baat kurte hue
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I dont know.. I do not find her inappropriate at all.

Perhaps I like her too much :)

she just seems to be of a frank nature. She is not like other village girls. No normal girl after going through so much abuse can be happy about starting a new life with studying .. and then the divorce..
I mean she seems like an extremely positive person. Which is why perhaps she was able to survive at the den of Ratan-ashakshash (evil guy)

So now that she is surrounded with support she will be able to open up more and be extremely positive.

...
hmmm
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Bhaironnath

I had never mind Ganga earlier. Not even her dance on Holi. But that chai dialogue yesterday was indeed odd especially after what had transpired between the two on Holi. She did not hold herself back despite being from such a conservative background!

@Yash.Pal

Hehe! You said so damn frankly! Sach kahun toh I was about to use the word "flirty" for Ganga's chai dialogue yesterday but resisted lest I be labelled sexist or thrashed around! The effect of that 24 page thread made me hold back.

@Missesha

I clarified in my opening post and will say it again I DO NOT CONDONE JAGYA'S ACTION OF HUGGING GANGA ON HOLI nor do I excuse him for it or soften my stance against this act he committed.

And I do NOT blame Ganga for giving "invitation" to Jagya.

But her chai dialogue did leave me wondering if it was appropriate for her to talk like that?

BTW, Asha, Gulli etc. were there and dancing along but Jaggu dada set his gaze and arms only upon Ganga - "seeing" Anandi in her.

There has to be a reason for this. He subconsciously takes her as Anandi who was his former wife & once-upon-a-time love. Why so? Not only Ganga's qualities but in some way he "closeness" twards him and Singhs is also responsible for this.

I am educated and belong to a family in which all women including my grandmothers were educated and working. I live in an urban area and so interact freely with males but I do maintain a certain formality while talking to them. Ganga really let her guard down with that chai dialogue yesterday. I know I wouldn't talk to an unrelated man like that!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Suchi

I love Ganga's character too. And at this point even more than Anandi.

I understand she is different,bold and a positive person who does not hesitate to speak the truth. She is quite expressive too. And after a lifetime of abuse and subjugation she has seen happiness, respect and freedom for the first time in her life. So maybe she is excited and opening up.

But we were debating about limits and maryada of Jagya and Singhs as per Indian culture and specifically that conservative village background they belong to. So why not talk about Ganga? Is she remaining in her maryada while interacting with a paraya mard?

I would have thrashed Jaggu for such talks with Ganga thinking he is pucca Gopiyon Ka Kanha.

The chai dialogue really got me thinking about Ganga's behaviour to whether it was appropriate in her position and in the milieu she is in.

She is not maintaining a respectful formality even after that Holi incident? Is this how a woman behaves?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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lol that chai dialoug was not flirting of Ganga...let me explain Ganga room me aai Jagya ko chai diya aur Mannu ko bahar le jane lagi...but Jagya said her ''yahi khila do'' Ganga Mannu ko khilane lagi then she noticed Jagya is feeling guilty and awkward..toh usne awkwardness khatgam karne ke liye chai ki tareef wali baat ki...lyk this way she said ''dont feel gulty everything is fine between us''
Edited by KiranlovSriti - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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LOL ganga and flirting? That's laughable! I'am sure the CV's did not want it to appear like flirting that too from ganga's side. 😕

Except for the lectures she gave to whole Singh family I didn't find ganga inviting troublein any situation. It was J's weak nature as he himself stated, that prompted him to do that.


Edit: and it is absolutely fine if she is being frank with the singhs. That is her nature and it is absolutely fine as long as she does not have bad intentions and as long as she is not being misunderstood bythem
Edited by samvi. - 12 years ago

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