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Originally posted by: sarandha
@manismat
I understand what you are saying also but i feel since all of us our products of certain histories , the way the use or abuse of a word evolves is not free of its historical connotations. As has been pointed out, no such word exists for a man and the reason behind that lies in a patriarchal society whose history constitutes it in a particular way where men were and still are in a relation of power over woman. The way mistress is understood in many places comes much closer to rakhail - and in a feudal society like ours the status of such women remains horrifying - and rich men still continue to have mistresses.I just feel that while Gauri's character ofcourse is open to being criticised and understood differently by different people, the term mistress didnt really fit her situation as i understood it - because why the term mistress could be offensive is for reasons which are very seperate from the way in which she is reviled for her character traits - and it is because she is shown as a woman with strong negative characteristics , the use of this term may offend people because it might be taken to imply that all woman who fit the bill of a mistress are necessarily woman like gauri and hence have to be condemned like that . If you feel a woman who has been manipulative needs to be abused and you use a term like mistress while conveying these feelings, its a moral judgement not merely on the negative character traits but also a linking of what's wrong with her as a person simply with the action of her living with a man who had had a child marriage. This mixing up of 2 different aspects of any criticism one might have of G's conduct is what made so many people uncomfortable. I remain uncomfortable at the use of the term mistress for such actions because it is not a gender neutral term - reflects a certain bias which exists in society aginst such women.In any case that was my opinion, i would not have gone into etymology and history if people hadnt pointed out the dictionary meaning, the context etc. I had no intention of either demonstrating anything nor was it meant to take a high moral ground . However, the use of certain terms in public contexts and discourses against woman on grounds of morality continues to disturb me - and i was compelled to make these points almost despite myself. And i reserve the right to do so, because i am also part of this society and these things affect the space we are all allowed as women and as individuals.However i do understand and even agree with some of the points you made, just feel we were both approaching this issue from a different perspectives - both of which raise valid points.
Originally posted by: mansimat
Well the reason there is no such word for men is becoz we haven't seen any rampant number of men in the position of a mistress. The numbers are stacked highly against the women here unfortunately. And so etymology came about and devised the word 'mistress'.
Sorry for the re-post.
Originally posted by: Manasi_16
Sanaya, let us not even get into value system Gauri has, or the lack of it thereof. Ignorance is not always bliss...certainly not in case of the law. Just bcoz J_G didn't know the legality of Jagya's bal vivah doesn't mean the law is new!!!
Much as I try not to use that word for Gauri, what a few people feel & think is not gonna change the legal situation. A woman who stays with an married man is called a mistress, or in hindi doosri aurat. It is MEANT to be derogatory, coz her act is being condemned. Now why men are not called by any such name...that is a shortcoming of our languages and societies. But we never mince our words while talking of Jagya.
If gauri had married Jagya & stayed in mumbai, i don't think anyone would have objected to it. But the way she used to flaunt her 'husband' in Anandi's face, obviously we are not gonna think well of her isn't it?