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Posted: 13 years ago
#31
I think I kind of get what you mean to say sarandha.

The thing is I would have been happy if the CVs would not made a villian out of Jagya and Gauri's characters to begin with. It was okay till the point Jagya fell in love with Gauri, even the fact that he didn't know how to handle the situation at home and a wife.

But afterwards instead of making him a villian they could have shown him to be a victim of child marriage just like Anandi. I mean even at age 18 one is not so sure, he thought himself married and genuinely liked Anandi and thought that is love. But then he goes out and sees a different world and like any hot headed 20 year old... thought that its "forward" and his village is not... it will take some maturity on the guys part to feel that is not so, if Jagya couldn't understand that at 20 it was okay. But later when he was a doctor and when the truth came out , well then the way he and Gauri treated his family and Anandi and the arrogance with which they destroyed everything, I feel that part could have been handled better. I think they could have been shown more mature and sensitive.

That would have made Jagya seem a "victim" tooo... Yes he is the one to fall out of love in the child marriage but then it would have seemed okay if it was handled better. If he had considered Anandi's feeling and respected her. Just because Anandi has a great personality and everything that a guy should want in her... that does not mean that Jagya should still love her but he should have remained friends and should not have lost on that one. I would have preferred that story line than the current one... where the way story is unfolded only "Anandi" is the victim and Jagya's and Gauri's characters are actually developed as villians.

But then this is how it is, making it women centric and usually it is more difficult for woman to cope when a man leaves her. I think in that sense its ok what they are showing.

They are not glorifying child marriage I think they still show that its wrong and people end in a mess like Anandi, Gauri and Jagya. And they do show only one true "victim" in Anandi ... but not every girl in similar situation is lucky to find a Shiv in her life. Whereas the guys usually will have family's support as well as a second marriage would be easier...

just my humble opinion, no offence intended to anyone. 😳
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Posted: 13 years ago
#32
They might show things differently hopefully in future , but till then our criticism stands . This serial is no longer able to bring out the problems of child marriage properly or atleast show it in the way that the message gets across !! Right now its ending up glorifying it more , romanticising childhood bonds, villianising gauri, making jagiya repent his behaviour in this manner where he regrets leaving anandi !!
completely agree with above point.
as much as i would like to remain silent and just watch how situations unfold, i am not able to do so... i still feel they are not doing justice to their motto...in how they are bringing forth the drama element...the fb's of anandi may be stemming only from the fear she has ,to enter into a new relation ship...but right now there are several perceptions on this matter and anyone can be right..now it all depends on how cv's want to clarify this to us...i feel there are too many loose ends that need to be addressed right now, in order to get across their mssg straight !
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Posted: 13 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: sarandha

my point is simply this - if you are showing a serial on child marriage , you have to show its problems in all its dimensions in a more sensitive way which does not reinforce all stereotypes people have about modern woman and values , where human relationships are shown in all their complexities not in a black and white manner which reinforces conventional stereotypes about the bad other woman vsgood wife, big bad degenerate city vs traditional village etc.




Actually i think they have showed all the good, bad and worst effects of child marriages in this soap!

Phooli - child widow,she underwent natha pratha due to that
Sugna - Gave birth to a child at young age and struggled to start a life again despite having Shyam by her side
Asha - Child widow who lived a depressed life throughout and struggled a lot to marry the guy she loved later
Dayan woman - Abandonment of a girl when she could not give offsprings who later turned into a mentally challenged woman

And coming to Anandi:
Seriously i got pissed off watching her suffer due to the bad effects this Child marriage showed in her life!! it couldn't be worse!

And Gauri was also a child bride! Who was actually saved but decided to go back to her past willingly once again!

Also they introduced Ashima who showed her decency and maturity when she came to know Shiv loved anandi. That's how many of the modern girls are. Gauri is not a city girl..she is a village girl who studied at the mercy of Bade Papa alias Bhairon and earned herself some place in the city. So this can't even be big bad degenerate city vs traditional villagers!!

Anandi had her flaws...Gauri had her merits..and Jagya had his..there is nothing like black n white in this show.



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Posted: 13 years ago
#34
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How did he loose the right to complain about it the day he consumated his marriage? These traditions are powerful - he was brought up to believe anandi is his wife , even before he realised what that meant , understand what it implies. what does that mean for his pshyche ? So was anandi ! and they both grew up to accept something imposd on them and within the traditional village context, never questioned it. Its only when jagiya left the village, in a different context, he realised this was not the only way to be , and fell for gauri . My problem is , why villianise him and guri for that ?
Besides even Intimate relationships can sometimes go horribly wrong and its true that relationhips are often gendered in a way that women in certain contexts may be subjected to more than men in terms of its fallout - socially, psycologically often economically too. Human relationships are complex and fragile and there is no guarantee that any relationship or marriage will last forever. Also as a person who's been involved with women's rights, I have simply had no patience with the attitude that women are always victims. We have dealt with endless demands to force marriage or conviction on men who renege on commitment. But so do women. And we defend their freedom to walk out. We must stop sentimentalising relationships and look at issues of entitlements rights and justice. We cannot go on by forcing relationhips.
But that is another issue - my problem is that if adult marriages can be prone to all this, how much more so a child marriage even if consumated as adults under the force of tradition which shapess the way you are? Then why show people who try and break out of it as only wrong?
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Posted: 13 years ago
#35
Perseus ...i dont
think this kind of analysis is what anyone does - again its about what are the main impressions one gets - in everyody 's mind - and infact i was responding to someone who made that comment about modern woman vs traditional wife, village vs city etc - is that GAURI is the selfish modern woman or atleast someone who professes to have modern values - whether she was shown as born in the village itsl in some bizarre twist later soes not change that . She gre up, left the village , went to the city etc. The moral then is even worse- both jagiya and gauri who leave the village and go to the city are misled and becom bad in anattempt to be modern !!As for ashima as a modern woman - i dont think thats on anyone's mind - she's just a fleeting character
And impressions are important in a serial with a social message - what the main characters do, how they are portrayed , what images they reinforce are all very important. Here i felt this serial was becoming a serial critiquing adultery and thats how everybody started identifying with it . Just visit any forum - they are just talking about jagiya and gauri getting what they deserved - the fact that the problem was with child marriage seems to have been lost all together !
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Posted: 13 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: sarandha

goldie.

I was once told by a serial writer that if you are showing a dram portraying a social evil, a good attempt is defined by the ability to send the message LOUD AND CLEAR!! If you have to really twist and reinterpret things to defend the message which is obviously getting lost on a lot of people from the reactions of viewers all across then there is a problem!
I see your point here. I do feel that having Gauri just HAPPEN to fall in love with the same girl he was almost married to in childhood was a bit of an unnecessary coincidence. They should have kept it simple and had her be someone totally different. That way, GaGa could have defended their relationship based on the fact that they had made an adult choice based on compatibility rather than through Jagat telling Dadisa, "This is the girl you chose for me in childhood!" 🤢 I know a lot of people were annoyed about that aspect and saw it as glorifying child marriage in a different way.
Not that you are the serial writer though you seem to know whats on their mind , i am far more jaded and cynical also- this is a commercil serial running on TRPs - its only after a lot of protest in between that they were promoting child marriage , they changed the storyline a little, introduced voiceovers etc as a token - bfore that they were getting lost completely on another track.
Its all very well to say thjat DS and Bhairon are feeling guilty etc - my point is they are shown feeling guilty in a way that they blame Jagiya not child marriage for all this !! they disowned jagiya , even today in an otherwis progressive conversation with anandi, bhairon never once says that the problem was with child marriage itself , not simply with jagiya leaving her ! If jagiya had not gone away, they would have been perfectly happy. If anandi had fallen for someone ele instead, they would have lamed her too. Where is the realisation that their getting them married was wrong instead of what jagiya did ? they feel guilty because they do not approve of jagiya's behviour!
Everyone has now moved to a point wher they feel jagiya and gauri are wrong. My point is why did the storyline in a serial showing evils of child marriage show the man who initially breaks it by rightly saying that he couldnt be tied to his child bride as his destiny and admitting he had fallen in love with someone else - in such a negative light ? And now that he is repenting , he 's repenting all that also !!
I'm only trying to predict, not saying I know what the CVs will do! I read an article about how people were protesting about child marriage being glorified in the early days, and hence the voiceovers were introduced... and the CVs responded to that by saying "In order to show something as wrong, we first had to present it as it is." And I mean... I don't know for sure, but I feel that if someone's married off as a kid, they might not like it, but they'd adapt to it. They don't realise during that time how much it's going to hurt them later on. In this way, Anandi adapted herself to her saasra, giving up everything she could have had/done. She expected to have the life other village women around her have. So they had to present us with regressive attitudes before showing the progression. If they had just marched in and hammered us with the message that child marriage is wrong, would we really have got it? They had to show it to us first before breaking it down.
Maybe I'm mistaken, but I'm pretty sure I've seen at least 2 dialogues between Dadisa and Bhairon lamenting their "bhool" and how Anandi is suffering for their actions. Of course they blame Jagya himself too, but they also blame their upbringing of him... Dadisa in particular has recognised that her laad pyaar "bigaared" her ladesar. So I'm pretty sure they've realised they were wrong.
I see what you mean in that last bit... I think they would have been upset if he had left Anandi regardless of how he did it. But the way he did it was by belittling and rejecting the village lifestyle he grew up in. That hurt his entire family, not just Anandi. I don't think he was wrong to fall in love, and I don't think anybody thinks that. But he was wrong to not be honest about it. I don't think he's repenting having fallen in love with Gauri. He didn't even mention her in yesterday's episode. He's repenting having been swallowed up by the city lifestyle and failing to appreciate what he had back home. I understand what you're saying - the CVs have mixed several issues here. But at the end of the day, I agree with the person who made the comment about lemonade. That's an accurate summary in my book.
And today anandi's just remembering all the romantic moments, not once is she going back to all the pain and insults jagiya heaped on her in flashback even! Similarly with gauri - its ironic that the only women taking a differnt step and behaving unconventionally is shown as a 'wrong person' ! I do not know whether they will be redeemd in futur or not - till now ther are no signs of it ! All i can see is people feeling happy that jagiya and gauri got what they deserved for breaking up with anandi , not that anandi jagiya marriage was wrong!
I don't think Gauri's being shown as wrong. At least I don't get that impression. I've never seen her as an out-and-out villain. Maybe other people do, I dunno. But I don't think the CVs are hell-bent on showing her up as being evil. They could have done that ages ago if they'd wanted to. But real life is greyer than that.
My point is that blinded by TRPS , the serial writers started showing a popular soap story which is even more inexcusable in the name of a serial like 'BALIKA VADHU' !!
They might show things differently hopefully in future , but till then our criticism stands . This serial is no longer able to bring out the problems of child marriage properly or atleast show it in the way that the message gets across !! Right now its ending up glorifying it more , romanticising childhood bonds, villianising gauri, making jagiya repent his behaviour in this manner where he regrets leaving anandi !!
I reckon we have to agree to disagree. I think the flashbacks make most viewers (at least the ones on here) fairly ill... even if I understand that Anandi's having a hard time getting over her memories of Jagya and needs time and stuff, it still upsets me to have to see them. So I don't think they're romanticising childhood bonds at all. They're simply showing that a bond exists between JaAn. Anandi remembering their childhood friendship does not mean that it's being romanticised. It just means that it's been so much a part of her for so many years that those memories just come to her. Heck, I dated a guy for 5 months and for almost a year after our breakup, I still associated every little thing with him. 18 years is a damn long time... of course she'll remember him buying her jewellery and clothes and stuff when similar stuff happens with Shiv. It's only natural. I personally see those flashbacks as showing how deeply a marriage decided upon that early in someone's life can affect them.
As for Jagya... this current repentance is in keeping with his character, IMO. He blows hot and cold a lot of the time, veering violently between standpoints. That's why Gauri was able to get him to listen to her so easily. "Jagat, you have your MS, don't take this job", followed a few days later by, "Jagat, can't you sacrifice two days of your life for my tasalli!?" (what happened to studying??). Anyway, my point is, the guy is ridiculously lacking in a strong standpoint of his own. So when Gauri was in his good books, he slandered Anandi for being too gawaar, too stupid, too unworthy of him. Now that he's found out Gauri lied to him, he's veered in the opposite direction, and Anandi is the ideal wife for him once more. IMO he doesn't really love either of them. He only regrets leaving Anandi now because Gauri lied to him. Essentially he is a fickle person.
I think what you're trying to say is that the CVs should have focused SOLELY on child marriage and moulded their characters in such a way that the message really got hammered across to one and all. I see your point, but I think the serial is a lot more interesting for the debates it opens up on these issues in this particular context. It is more realistic this way too... for the characters to have flaws that have been born of other aspects of society (e.g. Jagya's spoiled brat upbringing because of being a male in a patriarchal society has made him who he is today). BV is addressing social issues like this as much as it is child marriage, and I think making the characters blank slates/perfect people whose lives were irreparably affected solely by child marriage and nothing else would have made for a pretty one-dimensional show.

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Posted: 13 years ago
#37
@ KADOO. I AGREE WOMEN SUFFER MORE AND THAT NEDS TO BE SHOWN - oth from the point of view of woman left behind and the other woman. Men often get away while the wife suffers and the other woman is villianised by society.
i think the problem is solved only if we look at human relationships between both men and women differently . I do feel no woman should get into such a low over a relationship - but that is very difficult in a patriarchal society that measures women with the yardstick of a skewed morality and legitimacy. That is and remains important - but serials depicting this problem have to show it in amore human way - where we talk about protecting women's rights and entitlements but try and work out ways of dealing with breakups as part and parcel of life . And think of how to handle them ethically and sensitively without it forcing all involved to remain in forced bonds which makes everyone unhappy.
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Posted: 13 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: sarandha

Isn't it bizzare that in a serial meant to critique child marriage- the only two people who were shown negative are the one's who broke that bond initially - jagiya and gauri?

no they did not broke that bond!! gauri used that child marriage bond only to get accepted by the sing family..i think u have missed that part..and jaggya never wanted to leave anandi..but when the truth revealed that jaggya lives with gauri at mumbai sing family asked him not to come home! so when he broke child marriage? 😕

And now even jagiya is being shown to repent while the ultra traditional anandi and the entire family responsible for child marriage is shown in a positive light? the serial writers chose to paint only one woman black - and that is gauri- the only one who is independent, a doctor , had the guts to break marry someone who had been married off as a child? instead of jagiya being also shown as a victim of child marriage ( though anandi as a woman is more so), he is shown as a black character too? . So in the end instead of showing problems with child marriage, everyone who brought about the child marriage is shown as good while the people who initially broke the bond - jagiya and gauri are drawn as negative characters ? whats the message this sends? It becomes a ekta kapoor type serial where there is the looser husband, the villianous other woman and the traditional pure jewelled and bedecked wife - a ghissa pitta purana theme . Then why call the serial balika vadhu and claim it criticises the institution and practice of child marriage??

this serial is called "balika vadhu" and not "bal vivah" or "balak pati" 😆..so who is Balika Vadhu here? Anandi right? aren't CVs showing Anandi's pain and her struggle? i think the way they r showing it is amazing and this is the right way of showing it..

jaggya and gauri can not get escaped saying that "ohh i am also a victim of child marriage!..so i am can hurt anyone who will come in my way"..just bcoz u were married at ur childhood u do not get the right to do anything..hurting ur near and dear ones..breaking the law..

yes jaggya and gauri r the losers and the villain of the show...if u still not get it then i can't do anything for u..😆


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Posted: 13 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: Manasi_16



I don't want to comment on any other part of the topic, but I, as a woman of today, I take extreme objection to this statement. Please do NOT generalize and call all women of today like Gauri. Modern, educated and independent women are definitely not like Gauri...some may be, but not a majority.

Today's girls are intelligent, aggressive..yes! But not so clinging, scheming, hysterical, insecure and dependent. Gaga fans may feel Anandi is clinging and dependent for FBing abt Jagya...but at least she limits her memories/desires to her own mind. She does not cry and beg Jagya not to leave her...she handles her rejection with a lot more maturity & dignity than Gauri can ever dream of possessing!

I have no issues with GAGA fans or their favs...but please...equating today's women & Gauri...that's an insult to women like us


lol totally agree with you manasi...

Its an insult to be compared with Gauri...

Gauri = Educated FOOL.. and a mistress, home wrecker thats what she is
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Posted: 13 years ago
#40

Originally posted by: sarandha

Perseus ...i dont

think this kind of analysis is what anyone does - again its about what are the main impressions one gets - in everyody 's mind - and infact i was responding to someone who made that comment about modern woman vs traditional wife, village vs city etc - is that GAURI is the selfish modern woman or atleast someone who professes to have modern values - whether she was shown as born in the village itsl in some bizarre twist later soes not change that . She gre up, left the village , went to the city etc. The moral then is even worse- both jagiya and gauri who leave the village and go to the city are misled and becom bad in anattempt to be modern !!As for ashima as a modern woman - i dont think thats on anyone's mind - she's just a fleeting character
And impressions are important in a serial with a social message - what the main characters do, how they are portrayed , what images they reinforce are all very important. Here i felt this serial was becoming a serial critiquing adultery and thats how everybody started identifying with it . Just visit any forum - they are just talking about jagiya and gauri getting what they deserved - the fact that the problem was with child marriage seems to have been lost all together !


Sorry i did not read the previous posts where they said that G is a city girl etc. Going by what is shown in the soap, i understood that Gauri is an educated(actually literate) village girl. People who go to city to do graduation don't become city people.

Coming to the morals i'd say that one can interpret the same given story in a hundred different ways based on their intelligence levels. To me G was initially a confused girl with higher levels of selfishness in her personality. But later this changed into adultery track from the moment she hurriedly married him after knowing his past!

Only after covering all the bad effects child marriage the CV's started this adultery track which is completely fine! I'm glad to know that people in other forums are also talking about adultery now just as they had talked about child marriages once. Adultery combined with harassment is also an important topic that can be dealt with. So i'm okay with this too :)

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