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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo

I put some of the blame on lal singh.

He knew bhairon and sumitra quite well -- he could easily have spoken to one or both of them in confidence -- and if he was scared jagat would find out -- he could have asked them to act as if they had found out on their own.
As far as the parents angle goes -- I know that bhairon is not sitting idle and does not have time to constantly monitor his son by going to Mumbai and spying on him -- however, I think there was some sort of issue that he neglected and did not look into -- which is as follows:
See, when anandi's 10th standard result came out, jagya started behaving like an ass, and anandi in a fit of anger opened up everything that had happened in mumbai when she had gone there for his birthday. So bhairon and sumitra knew that jagya had belittled anandi, had said that there is a "zameen aasmaan ka farq" between them, knew that he had been ashamed of anandi, knew that jagya had changed his name to jagat, knew that jagat no longer belonged to jayetsar, but instead jaipur...
The only thing anandi really left out is that he had been dancing with gauri.
Sumitra slapped him for all these things.
Dadisa slapped him for calling himself jagat... infact she had a talk with him explaining why she had named him jagadish ... the importance of the name.. it was her father-in-law's name...
Then jagat vanished in the middle of the night ... and next morning, dadisa said that he had gone back to Mumbai.
Immediately after that, there was a three year leap, and the announcer said that jagya never came back home in those three years and his conversations with his family became less and less , and anandi had finished her 12th std in those three years.
The next scene after the leap was that sumitra gets a call with jagya saying he is become a doctor, so then they all leaped to preparations to make a hospital for him on his return.
My question is that when bhairon knew so many things from anandi on that fateful night of her 10th std result, alarm bells should have gone off in his head, and the fact that jagya left without resolving the situation with anandi, and never came back for three years means that he just left the situation hanging ... which means even more alarm bells should have gone off in bhairon's head... at the very least, he should have gone to mumbai to meet jagya AT THAT POINT ... to resolve whatever issues anandi had brought to the forefront.
I mean if my daughter comes back from college, and I find she has changed her name from sumitra to susan, and instead of saying she is from chennai, she says she is from london ... and so many other things...and then she runs away from home in the middle of the night after a showdown leaving the whole issue hanging ... I would definitely find it important to go to her college AT THAT POINT ... because i would see all of this as completely weird... who is this child ? why is she lying about her name and her point of origin? where else can this lie lead?
In addition, when bhairon knew that jagya had denigrated anandi for her lack of education, and her being gawar or whatever, and not his equal... then In his place, a sensible father in law would have taken it upon himself to see to anandi's education ... instead we see that after three years, anandi was still languishing as a 12th pass individual ... she had not even joined a college or anything ... because the first thing that sumitra said to her post-leap is "it is so sad that jayetsar does not have a college, otherwise we would have insisted that you go to college"
But bhairon did not do that either.
Also, Nobody -- bhairon, sumitra, gehna asked anandi -- "so has jagya been calling you? what does he say?"
I mean badi masi used to regularly ask anandi to call jagya etc. or used to ask her "what does he say in his last conersation with you" etc. because she knew anandi and jagya were living apart...
Forget that he has not come home for the last three years of his five year MBBS course, he has also not called them, not called anandi...
Does nobody in the singh household find this weird?

Good post 👏.
I have to agree with some aspects and disagree with others. I think Tinoo DS forgave Jagiya's behaviour
when he explained about Mumbai, how different the life there is, that he was finding it diificult to assimilate and so when Anandi came he couldn't understand what to do! the parents and others were not happy and had decided not to talk. then when he went back, DS scolded everyone, that boy is in Mumbai, there are some difficulties there, etc.
I can give only one explaination for Singh family and Anandi- trust.
They trusted Jagiya completely, they never thought he would fall this low. They all including Anandi. Once Anandi had even commented that Jagiya would come back to her, no matter whoever he meets. Her shock of Gauri being the other girl was apparent. She had trusted Jagiya completely. Even the parents were shocked at it, and DS even said to Anandi, (a memorable line), if instead of lecturing you, if I would have lectured Jagiya, things wouldn't have taken this turn. Its trust and every parent should have that in his child.
Lal Singh could have intervened, but could have been odd. But nice observation 👏
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Posted: 13 years ago
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hi avantika -
i am not talking about trust vs. distrust.
I am talking about simple concern as a parent ... even if he was having difficulties assimilating ... two years had now passed... it was not the initial period of adjustment/homesickness/ragging etc... so by now he was in 2nd year MBBS ... for me some sort of adjustment problems still at that stage would have set alarm bells ringing in my head ... that no good can come of this if the boy is still feeling out of sorts...
I dislike the fact that bhairon and sumitra tended to give him the silent treatment more often than not ... rather than actually discuss issues and problems with him.
If dadisa had told me that he went back to mumbai, and he is having assimilation problems, i would have immediately gone to mumbai and stayed there for two weeks and tried to find out what the problems are ... by spending time with jagat.
If the issue with anandi's gawarpan, and anandi's illiteracy had been highlighted, i would have also rolled up my sleeves on that front (regardless of whether i thought the boy was coming back or not, because even after his coming back this problem would always be there -- the unequal level of education as per jagya's accusations)...
Somewhere along the way, he did not exhibit the concern required AT THAT POINT.
I felt it then, and I feel it now too.
If my child did not come home from college for three years, in even summer vacations or diwali breaks which are two weeks duration atleast, I would definitely be concerned ... I am not talking about not coming back on the weekends. And bhairon had money, he can go to Mumbai, can afford a hotel, airtickets etc... In his place, I would have taken the initiative to go and see my child.
A total blackout from jagya's side for THREE YEARS doesnt seem odd ?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo

hi avantika -

i am not talking about trust vs. distrust.
I am talking about simple concern as a parent ... even if he was having difficulties assimilating ... two years had now passed... it was not the initial period of adjustment/homesickness/ragging etc... so by now he was in 2nd year MBBS ... for me some sort of adjustment problems still at that stage would have set alarm bells ringing in my head ... that no good can come of this if the boy is still feeling out of sorts...
I dislike the fact that bhairon and sumitra tended to give him the silent treatment more often than not ... rather than actually discuss issues and problems with him.
If dadisa had told me that he went back to mumbai, and he is having assimilation problems, i would have immediately gone to mumbai and stayed there for two weeks and tried to find out what the problems are ... by spending time with jagat.
If the issue with anandi's gawarpan, and anandi's illiteracy had been highlighted, i would have also rolled up my sleeves on that front (regardless of whether i thought the boy was coming back or not, because even after his coming back this problem would always be there -- the unequal level of education as per jagya's accusations)...
Somewhere along the way, he did not exhibit the concern required AT THAT POINT.
I felt it then, and I feel it now too.
If my child did not come home from college for three years, in even summer vacations or diwali breaks which are two weeks duration atleast, I would definitely be concerned ... I am not talking about not coming back on the weekends. And bhairon had money, he can go to Mumbai, can afford a hotel, airtickets etc... In his place, I would have taken the initiative to go and see my child.
A total blackout from jagya's side doesnt seem odd ?

Well I have to concede Singh's family overlooking the change in behaviour. When he misbehaved with Anandi, it should have made alarm bells ring! And I also blame Anandi, she should have confided about his behaviour to sumitra or someone, who knows corrective measures could have been taken.
Tinoo, one correction Jagiya didn't completely blank out. it was noted that in next four years, intial he visted frequently, every weekend then gradually his visits decreased. His visits I think included holidays. And they showed how Anandi tried to win him over, but Jagiya remained as distanced as he could. 😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Nice post.Very thought provoking.I agree to most of the things.One more thing Jagya has always proven himself to be a weakling right from his childhood days.Parents and Dadisa recognised it too.Jagya habitually succumbed to peer pressure.They tried their best to mend his ways by taking corrective actions.Those corrective measures worked to an extent that he knew what is right and what is wrong.
Along with corrective measures preventive measures also are required which is where I think The Singhs have failed.But I feel that somewhere they failed in infusing self confidence and the ability to think for himself.I think this lack of confidence in himself is the major reason for his failure in adult life.This lack of self confidence is the thing that made him succumb to peer pressure.

Once Anandi came into his life he started listening to her as he realised that heeding to her yielded good results and that led to him becoming totally dependent on Anandi.Singhs and DS realised it but chose not to do anything about it since they rightly thought that Anandi is a good influence.

The moment he landed in Mumbai he latched on to Gauri.His reason for latching on to her in his own words"she is just like Anandi".And the rest is history.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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But Tinoo one more thing what you would have exactly done if your child talked about assimilation reasons. You would have visited then?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: avantikasharma1

But Tinoo one more thing what you would have exactly done if your child talked about assimilation reasons. You would have visited then?

I honestly dont have a "strategic plan" outlined for something like this ... but one of the things i know i would not have done is let jagya leave in the middle of the night, after anandi's 10th standard results shout-down, leaving the whole scenario hanging... without an understanding of what was happening in jagya's life exactly... and without some resolution to the issue of what he had told anandi about her being gawar etc.
So, yes, I would have gone to Mumbai, I would have definitely talked to Lal singh -- not from a perspective of punishing jagya if something were wrong, but wanting to understand in what ways i could help him if there were issues of assimilation --
For me, personally, I think the identity change would be something significant -- because identity change is a major fraud -- a jailable offence if it goes far enough -- it is not just a simple affectionate nickname issue -- and I would want to get to the bottom of it.
It is one thing for others to call a girl named anuradha as anu, or a boy named sanjeev as sanju...
but to find that anuradha has changed her name to riya herself and sanjeev has changed his name to vikram himself... is a big issue... atleast it would be for me. 😲
I would also want to know what his deal was with anandi... so I would have taken up a room in a hotel for two weeks... and met him every day for breakfast and dinner to spend time with him.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: apjk



Nice post.Very thought provoking.I agree to most of the things.One more thing Jagya has always proven himself to be a weakling right from his childhood days.Parents and Dadisa recognised it too.Jagya habitually succumbed to peer pressure.They tried their best to mend his ways by taking corrective actions.Those corrective measures worked to an extent that he knew what is right and what is wrong.

apjk I think the corrective measures were incomplete. They never had a heart to heart chat with him. Never tried to understand his concerns, why he went astray? In Sooraj case, I have to say it was his innocence. He never understood gambling and felt bad when he lost his watch, it was his bad company. At that age we are like that. We do not know right and wrong and our parents should concede this and explain to us. They can give us a second chance. this leads to strong value system where achild realises what is wrong and what is right...Outright bashing, threatning confuses the kid and even makes him more defied. He tries to claim what he did was right. We cannot treat kids as adults who right from the start know what is right and waht is wrong. So I do not approve Bhairon threathinig Jagiya to be send to boarding school right? He should have been patient. Honestly, before Sooraj incident i never felt Jagiya was bad. I was surprised when Bhairon said I know you are bad and I will send you to boarding school? When was he that spoiled?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo

I honestly dont have a "strategic plan" outlined for something like this ... but one of the things i know i would not have done is let jagya leave in the middle of the night, after anandi's 10th standard results shout-down, leaving the whole scenario hanging... without an understanding of what was happening in jagya's life exactly... and without some resolution to the issue of what he had told anandi about her being gawar etc.
So, yes, I would have gone to Mumbai, I would have definitely talked to Lal singh -- not from a perspective of punishing jagya if something were wrong, but wanting to understand in what ways i could help him if there were issues of assimilation --
For me, personally, I think the identity change would be something significant -- because identity change is a major fraud -- a jailable offence if it goes far enough -- it is not just a simple affectionate nickname issue -- and I would want to get to the bottom of it.
It is one thing for others to call a girl named anuradha as anu, or a boy named sanjeev as sanju...
but to find that anuradha has changed her name to riya herself and sanjeev has changed his name to vikram himself... is a big issue... atleast it would be for me. 😲
I would also want to know what his deal was with anandi... so I would have taken up a room in a hotel for two weeks... and met him every day for breakfast and dinner to spend time with him.

Actually you couldn't have done anything! you wouldn't have made your child confess in front of everyone the truthg. Who knows you may have understood the point of being from small village.
I liked your idea of talking to lal Singh and finding out the truth. But i am sure you wouldn't have done much as far as assimilation thing goes, other than ask her not to repeat it, be proud of her roots etc. And this may have been more assuring 😊
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Posted: 13 years ago
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But you see, If I had done that, then I would know who jagya's friends are ... I would have met gauri (she herself would have introduced herself to me since I was her prospective father-in-law 😆) ... a lot of things would have come to light ... and jagat too would have been careful about not lying so much if he knew his parents could just come to mumbai every now and then.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: avantikasharma1

apjk I think the corrective measures were incomplete. They never had a heart to heart chat with him. Never tried to understand his concerns, why he went astray? In Sooraj case, I have to say it was his innocence. He never understood gambling and felt bad when he lost his watch, it was his bad company. At that age we are like that. We do not know right and wrong and our parents should concede this and explain to us. They can give us a second chance. this leads to strong value system where achild realises what is wrong and what is right...Outright bashing, threatning confuses the kid and even makes him more defied. He tries to claim what he did was right. We cannot treat kids as adults who right from the start know what is right and waht is wrong. So I do not approve Bhairon threathinig Jagiya to be send to boarding school right? He should have been patient. Honestly, before Sooraj incident i never felt Jagiya was bad. I was surprised when Bhairon said I know you are bad and I will send you to boarding school? When was he that spoiled?


Corrective measures only instilled fear in him.That's why I also said preventive measures were also equally necessary.Despite knowing that he is weakling they did not try to instil self confidence in him.had he been the confident type he wouldn't succumbed to peer pressure. They just thought that since Anandi is a good influence and let it be.That's why once he was on his own things went so horribly wrong with him.
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