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Posted: 13 years ago
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No matter the compliments, the respect, and even kindness... it takes time to build faith and trust once its damaged to the extent Jagya damaged Anandi's. She attributes the end of her marriage to bal vivah, but the reality is that Jagya betrayed her as a full-grown adult man. It takes time to get over that kind of self-confidence destroying betrayal. Shivraj is a GREAT GUY, but some part of her is still tied to Jagya... its his validation she still seeks in her dreams. I am not saying its impossible, but it definitely won't be as easy as Daadisaa thinks it will be to convince her to consider remarriage. As for Shiv, its one thing to be positive about things in theory, but practically the same could be rather difficult.

For Shiv to be successful, he needs to understand the depth of Anandi's pain and her fortitude. He's barely scratched the surface... This has three components: 1) He has to comprehend the problem 2) He has to want to salve it! 3) Perseverance and follow through.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Avantika I m not saying Anandi is not positive but Shiv is really falling in love with an image of Anandi. Maybe with her outer surface. Doesnt he realise what would be lying inside her ,She puts a brave front but inside she is broken.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: elasingh

Avantika I m not saying Anandi is not positive but Shiv is really falling in love with an image of Anandi. Maybe with her outer surface. Doesnt he realise what would be lying inside her ,She puts a brave front but inside she is broken.

Image? Dear ela you are getting it wrong. First of all right at the outset I want to clarify that I don't think that Anandi will easily accept shiv as her life partner. She will resist it. One, may be because of the hurt given to her by J (though I have a different opinion, i will explain in next para), and second Jagiya was her husband. Ever since teen she has thought of him as the ultimate guy. It wouldn't be this easy for her to get over him.
Now coming to the idea of image vs reality:
This viewpoint is very similar to Gauri, the only difference is that you have said hurt is hidden under her image while Gauri thinks it is caprice. I request you to realize that Anandi is not pretending. She is like that. Yes Jagiya has hurt her a lot but the point is has she really allowed his misbehaviour to affect her? An important difference noted by DS is the kind of patience that Anandi has as opposed to Gauri. Anandi is someone who is quick to forgive and forget. Remember how she used think that these kinds of fights used to happen even in childhood , but they were quickly forgotten, now she has no clue. On the eve of Jagiya's leaving to Mumbai after his second marriage, he talked to Anandi about his misbehaviour. The following dialogue took place:
She said," Main aapko kabhi maaf nahi karoon gi".
Jagiya replied," Toh kya mujhe hamesha doshi saamajthe rahogi"!
She said," Maaf nah karne mein aur doshi maan lene mein bahut antar hota hai".
When she decided to open adult education school in Jaitsar, one lady said that she has faults thats why Jagiya left her. Anandi crisply replied," Just because other person's do not behave properly with us, doesn't mean we are wrong. We are never responsible for other person's misbehaviour". 👏
Just because Anandi is not very loud doesn't mean she is weak. On the contrary it takes lot of courage to listen to people and not to allow it to affect you.The only alternate is become like Gauri, start screaming at people expecting overnight change.
I do expect Shiv to be patient towards her. I am not imagining a very easy love story. But yes the assessment of Shiv about Anandi's bittereness is right. She carries no resentment and anger towards her first partner. Many people waste their life thinking how unfairly they were treated, and keep revenge tendencies and bitterness alive. They self pity 😭 and sit somewhere sulking. It's something similar to gauri mata 😉. Anandi at no point shows herself to be bitter because she refuses to be see herself as a victim of Jagiya. Tell me even one day if she cried saying this should not happened to her or that she kept any ill will against Gauri. One day she got mad at the Singhs or DS or her family. Did she ever thought I shouldn't have helped Jagiya? When Jagiya left her she just let him go? She refused to pursue him to the city and started reconstructing her life. It would be very difficult if she had kept bitterness.
Shiv has made a valid point. Anandi cannot praise arrange marriage because it ruined her life. But see she refuses to generalize it. Her marriage went wrong so what there are thousands of other marriages which succeed. She can praise the institution without involving the bitterness of her experience. Very Very strong and sensible person.
I am sure even in her personal life she will adopt same approach. Not everybody is Jagiya she can see for it herself ⭐️. She may be resistive, thinking Shiv is pitying her or something, or she loves Jagiya or she wants to live alone. But I think subconciously she knows that shiv is her future. I think there is some chemistry in the precap today and what about her dream ?
@ AnjanaYYZ: Validation? from whom Jagiya 😡. And who ? Anandi needs it!! 🤣 No she knows better.😊
Its only love. Its difficult to forget love of 17 years. She has been with him from childhood right. They were quite close initially. It will be difficult but she has already faced the pain. The trauma period is over. She will get over him. We always end up forgetting a love that is gone, unless until we want to ruin our life.
Edited by avantikasharma1 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Avantika ,by image i meant outer surface of Anandi. Yaar muzhe Gauri se to compare mat karo.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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You answered it yourself... we'll get to see a resistant & hesitant Anandi...but still she has not lost faith in marriage as an institution. When she'll fall in love she'll say yes to the proposal.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: avantikasharma1

Image? Dear ela you are getting it wrong. First of all right at the outset I want to clarify that I don't think that Anandi will easily accept shiv as her life partner. She will resist it. One, may be because of the hurt given to her by J (though I have a different opinion, i will explain in next para), and second Jagiya was her husband. Ever since teen she has thought of him as the ultimate guy. It wouldn't be this easy for her to get over him.
Now coming to the idea of image vs reality:
This viewpoint is very similar to Gauri, the only difference is that you have said hurt is hidden under her image while Gauri thinks it is caprice. I request you to realize that Anandi is not pretending. She is like that. Yes Jagiya has hurt her a lot but the point is has she really allowed his misbehaviour to affect her? An important difference noted by DS is the kind of patience that Anandi has as opposed to Gauri. Anandi is someone who is quick to forgive and forget. Remember how she used think that these kinds of fights used to happen even in childhood , but they were quickly forgotten, now she has no clue. On the eve of Jagiya's leaving to Mumbai after his second marriage, he talked to Anandi about his misbehaviour. The following dialogue took place:
She said," Main aapko kabhi maaf nahi karoon gi".
Jagiya replied," Toh kya mujhe hamesha doshi saamajthe rahogi"!
She said," Maaf nah karne mein aur doshi maan lene mein bahut antar hota hai".
When she decided to open adult education school in Jaitsar, one lady said that she has faults thats why Jagiya left her. Anandi crisply replied," Just because other person's do not behave properly with us, doesn't mean we are wrong. We are never responsible for other person's misbehaviour". 👏
Just because Anandi is not very loud doesn't mean she is weak. On the contrary it takes lot of courage to listen to people and not to allow it to affect you.The only alternate is become like Gauri, start screaming at people expecting overnight change.
I do expect Shiv to be patient towards her. I am not imagining a very easy love story. But yes the assessment of Shiv about Anandi's bittereness is right. She carries no resentment and anger towards her first partner. Many people waste their life thinking how unfairly they were treated, and keep revenge tendencies and bitterness alive. They self pity 😭 and sit somewhere sulking. It's something similar to gauri mata 😉. Anandi at no point shows herself to be bitter because she refuses to be see herself as a victim of Jagiya. Tell me even one day if she cried saying this should not happened to her or that she kept any ill will against Gauri. One day she got mad at the Singhs or DS or her family. Did she ever thought I shouldn't have helped Jagiya? When Jagiya left her she just let him go? She refused to pursue him to the city and started reconstructing her life. It would be very difficult if she had kept bitterness.
Shiv has made a valid point. Anandi cannot praise arrange marriage because it ruined her life. But see she refuses to generalize it. Her marriage went wrong so what there are thousands of other marriages which succeed. She can praise the institution without involving the bitterness of her experience. Very Very strong and sensible person.
I am sure even in her personal life she will adopt same approach. Not everybody is Jagiya she can see for it herself ⭐️. She may be resistive, thinking Shiv is pitying her or something, or she loves Jagiya or she wants to live alone. But I think subconciously she knows that shiv is her future. I think there is some chemistry in the precap today and what about her dream ?
@ AnjanaYYZ: Validation? from whom Jagiya 😡. And who ? Anandi needs it!! 🤣 No she knows better.😊
Its only love. Its difficult to forget love of 17 years. She has been with him from childhood right. They were quite close initially. It will be difficult but she has already faced the pain. The trauma period is over. She will get over him. We always end up forgetting a love that is gone, unless until we want to ruin our life.


Blue - have to disagree with this. She is seeking validation from Jogia when she is running after him with her award in her dreams. I don't want her to need that validation from Jughead, but it would appear that she still needs that validation from him.

Its not just 17 years of love - but, 5 years of betrayal and rejection as a woman that she has to get over. Jogia is someone who allegedly knew her, but found her lacking.

Yes. Her life has moved on other levels, but she has never thought to share it with anyone ever again. She has no interest in marriage - its a closed chapter for her. Her thinking on that is stagnant... she has embraced her own personal akelepaan. It's not bitterness, but its not personal possitivity either...Its when you withdraw into a shell to protect yourself from further hurt.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: elasingh

i aso think Anandi will not accept Shiv so easily. She is not an open person not even with Pholi. All day long she remains with her inlaws and there is no interaction with ppl of her age.. She doesnt cry much, doesnot share her fears with anyone. All wounds are still inside. Shiv does not reaaly know Anandi. I feel very irritated when everytime he says Anadi has a positive approach towards life.

Totally agree with you, especially the last part. I don't see Anandi as not positive, but I don't see her as positive either. I think she's thrown herself into working for others, and while she gets pleasure and fulfilment from her social work, I think deep down she has reconciled herself to the idea of being alone, so much so that her desire for a partner to share her life with only comes out in her dreams through her subconscious and clearly terrifies/shocks her. I think it'll take a lot of work for Shiv or anyone else to get her to even consciously acknowledge that desire.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnjanaYYZ


Blue - have to disagree with this. She is seeking validation from Jogia when she is running after him with her award in her dreams. I don't want her to need that validation from Jughead, but it would appear that she still needs that validation from him.

Its not just 17 years of love - but, 5 years of betrayal and rejection as a woman that she has to get over. Jogia is someone who allegedly knew her, but found her lacking.

Yes. Her life has moved on other levels, but she has never thought to share it with anyone ever again. She has no interest in marriage - its a closed chapter for her. Her thinking on that is stagnant... she has embraced her own personal akelepaan. It's not bitterness, but its not personal possitivity either...Its when you withdraw into a shell to protect yourself from further hurt.

Clap Clap Clap Clap Agree with you 100% on that! That's basically what I was trying to say in my post, except you articulated it way better. Anandi may not be bitter and may appear to be content, but deep down it's because she's embraced her own loneliness and accepted that it will remain with her. The thought of finding love again with someone else has never crossed her mind even fleetingly, at least not consciously.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: elasingh

Avantika ,by image i meant outer surface of Anandi. Yaar muzhe Gauri se to compare mat karo.

hehehe alright (anyway I never mean you be Gauri in any perspective), but the way you used it, it seemed to me that you meant she is pretending to be strong, but inside she is extremely bitter. She is hurt not bitter
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Posted: 13 years ago
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@ AnjanaYYZ: Validation? from whom Jagiya 😡. And who ? Anandi needs it!! 🤣 No she knows better.😊
Blue - have to disagree with this. She is seeking validation from Jogia when she is running after him with her award in her dreams. I have an alternate interpretation. She wanted to share her happiness and achievement with J. I don't want her to need that validation from Jughead, but it would appear that she still needs that validation from him. Validation means seeking approval right? Anandi wants approval from Jagiya! Thats how I understood it. If she wanted it her approach will be different. She will try to grab his attention, announce her achievements.

Its not just 17 years of love - but, 5 years of betrayal and rejection as a woman that she has to get over. Jogia is someone who allegedly knew her, but found her lacking.

Yes. Her life has moved on other levels, but she has never thought to share it with anyone ever again. She was in love with J and was waiting for him. She decided to forget him only recently when he insulted her over miscarriage. That was the limit Angry. She has no interest in marriage - its a closed chapter for her. Her thinking on that is stagnant... she has embraced her own personal akelepaan. Well its a rural setup, second marriage for a girl is quite difficult to concieve. It's not bitterness, but its not personal possitivity either...Its when you withdraw into a shell to protect yourself from further hurt. In that case lets see her resistance to Shiv, will she remember the hurt J gave her or something else. However, I can see her pain but not any distrust towards life. I am sure she will agree, but not easily. What she will object is a matter of speculation. But strong people like her know to throw past baggage out.
Edited by avantikasharma1 - 13 years ago

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