Does profesnl success compensate for personal loss

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Posted: 13 years ago
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I would like to examine gauri's argument a bit.
Though I am irritated with gauri for going and yelling at the haveli people all the time and also at her crude behaviour and conduct ---
I think she brings up a valid discussion point.
For folks to say "oh look you are a doctor now" doesnt really wipe out the fact that she did face atleast six years of trauma in her childhood till she reached teenage years and went off to medical college.
It wasnt just that the G-J child wedding was nullified by the Panchayat and then everyone lived happily ever after. While there were little or no implications for J, and he and the singhs quickly forgot about it and moved on with their lives ...
There were very serious implications for gauri and her family -- they couldnt get her married elsewhere, they were thrown out of and ostracized in every town they went to, people used to give her several mocking comments. Now assuming that gauri was in the 6th grade and she only went to college after 12th grade -- we see that 6 years of ostracism and name calling etc. would have really damaged her sense of self etc. The samaj and the people were very cruel to her. They would have called her all sorts of names left right and center.
In addition to which the pain of being "rejected" at all times is very traumatic because there is a fundamental assumption of worthlessness that comes with it. The feeling of "not good enough" for the singhs (which i think is behind her desperate attempts to get them to accept her so that she is seen as "good enough"
In addition, her father was an alcoholic at the time, and though not explicitly stated it is clear that he used to beat her too when he would get drunk and hold her responsible for the problems he was having socially (she said that nobody was willing to hire him).
After a while, the facts of the wedding would have really escaped her -- and she would have been wishing that she indeed had continued to be the child-bahu of the singhs.
So yes, she did climb out of that pit and go to medical college -- but those 6 years must have been very, very, very traumatic for her.
So, now if she is indeed a successful M.S. doctor, that's great -- but can this professional success compensate for her personal loss?
I dont think that anything compensates for personal trauma.
I mean if I am raped by some 18 year old -- and after that, the rapists father finances me to Harvard Business School to make up for his son's rape -- and folks say "oh look he sent you to Harvard Business School and now you are professionally accomplished -- so that rape means nothing at all" I dont think that really makes much sense.
Accomplishment in one area cannot be considered an appropriate substitute for a loss in another area.
Anyway, I am just exploring this question to see what you all feel.
That being said -- there comes a personal point in my life where I get tired of rolling around the losses in my head from the past -- and by now, I would have just moved on in Gauri's position -- not because I didnt feel the loss -- but because I wouldnt want to mire my future by constantly mucking around in the same thoughts.
But different people have different time spans and emotional thresholds to experience grief, so it is not my place to say whether gauri should be over it or not. I cant tell gauri how to feel.
But the question still remains -- has baapusa put a keemat on her experience of 6 years of trauma experienced as a child?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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I Do not really agree with u for below reasons ..

1. At the first place gudiya did not want to marry ..we have the seens where she says " mujhe padna hey" ... u may remember a screen where before the panchayat, all 3 A j & G were keeept in school and A asks gudiya, do want to study, n she nobs, it was her parents how forced the marraige as she had a alining dadi ..

2. Rape... u r comapring her marraige to rape, ok, will a boy's DS takes girls parents permission before rape, and even pay for that ?

She should be happy that instead of being a BV and losing out on your childhood.. and being forced to leave life like A did ... now she is better than A,

If J had both wives from childhood, ... both not educated, then he would have found a 3rd one.. in city.. he just wants upgrade his wife thats it ..

I so hope her marraige was not nullified and Bhairon should have sponcered A's education .. as is was her life which would have been spoit then .. A would have gr8 ful to singhs in that case.

Finally prof success dosn't compensate personal los, but after being a doc, who stopped her from marraing a nice guy... infact she even had got a proposal after which only J relises he loves her...

so she would have surely got nice guy, if not for her stupidity..

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Posted: 13 years ago
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very well post..i also think that professional success doesn't compensate for personal loss!

but i didn't understand that 6 yrs trauma thing..means i don't know..i m just asking..when J-G child marraige has happened was gauri in 6th standard?..and during her schooling she used to stay with her parents and not bade papa?..i thought she used to stay with bade papa only!..😕

my point is very simple..Bhairon was not aware of G's child marraige..it was dadisa's fault!..when he came to know..he ran to G's house to stop it...to save A's life, J's life and G's life too!..so it was not bhairon's mistake..still he funded for G's education!..may be he realized what this family and this lil gal will suffer a lot now..he realized it that this society will not let them live happily..so he decided that he at least can make her study!..so that one day she will be able to get a job, earn money and she will be able to survive, she will be able to look after her parents!..i can remember he told at the panchayet.."jo nuksaan hua bo to main bhar nehi paunga"..something like this he told!..so i don't find he did anything wrong or it was a compensate...he really wanted good for that lil gurl..he felt guilty for the mistake which he haven't done! if it would be just a compensate then may be he would have stopped funding gauri after J-G marriage..

the whole sing family is not responsible for Gauri's personal loss i think!..her parents r equally responsible for G's personal loss!..but for her professional success?..Bhairon is responsible of course!..if bhairon would not be there..then may be she would never become a doctor..🤔
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Posted: 13 years ago
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u know ,first i wud apreciate for putting up this topic n the way u expressed the pts,u know al dis was going in my mind frm very long time.my opinion is same as u ,personal loss cannot be compesated by proffesional success.like u gave eg of rapist,father trying to compensate with money,who wud want to take his compesation n if u cum to lived on dat person bhik that it wil be the worst thing ever.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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tinoo, I think we need to see Gauri's anger from a perspective solely indoctrinated by her parents. As mybro_2004 points out, Gauri has really no reason to be angry with the Singhs. She is angry with them because she sees the whole situation from her parents' point of view. Let me discuss why:
1. This was a child marriage in which Gauri was not emotionally, physically, mentally involved with Jagya. So the breaking of the marriage could not have taken an emotional toll on child Gauri, the way it has devastated Anandi. Jagya was really nobody to her. However, for her parents, breaking the marriage was a social stigma. So if anybody was angered and devastated by the nullified marriage, it was her parents. So when she talks about her emotional anguish she is actually transferring her parents' grudge to herself.

2. Her anger with the Singhs is the anger her parents have with the Singhs, as business partners who broke a commercial agreement. Her parents had sold Gauri as a product to Dadisa, and their anger is the anger of that deal being cancelled. The tension is solely between the two contractors of the deal---dadisa, or in extension the Singhs who promised to buy their product(Gauri) and her parents who were eager to sell theirs. Now that the buyer has returned the product, the seller is angry. Gauri has no personal reason to hate the Singhs, she is again transferring her parents grudge to herself.

3. Gauri wanted to study and was not interested in the marriage at all. It was her parents' idea to get her married and more importantly, imagine that Gauri's greatest success lay in becoming a Singh haveli beendni. Consequently, the idea that her life has been "ruined" by the rejection is again a transferred idea which originally originates from her parents' outlook. Gauri's initial ambition to study and become successful does not really fit into the whole idea of her life being ruined by the rejection of beendiship.

So Gauri is performing the transferred desires and discontent of her parents, she has no subjectivity of her own----she is a mere conduit of her parents' frustration and their grudge. The "injustice" that she talks about is actually her parents' grudge as sellers, the "trauma" that she talks about is actually her parents' issues with society and when she articulates the complaint to Bhairon---"why didn't you let my marriage happen with your son"----she is just voicing her parents' main issue with the Singhs.

Now the point here is, this is precisely what we did not expect Gauri to do. Her education should have been instrumental in carving out an independent identity for her, which should have made her see things from a more critical, non-biased perspective. She should have seen her parents' fault, the problem with her parents' stand and should have realized how blessed her life is because that marriage broke. The tragedy of Gauri's life is that she is still an object of her parent's desires, and even education and exposure with the outside world could not make her a critically thinking subject. Gauri is indeed a case of failed education----completely wasted---which had failed to make her think on her own.

Having said this, I think Gauri's experience CANNOT be compared to a child rape. Firstly because the intensity of the two traumas is not even comparable. Secondly, a rape victim experiences the rape through her own body and mind, she does not act out a trauma that is transferred. The experience of her trauma is her intensely personal trauma, and something the perpetrator inflicts on the body of the rape victim directly. There cannot be any transference or conduit to carry that trauma. Now the only trauma Gauri could have experienced as a child is the social stigma her family faced------in that case the target of her rage should have been those people who ostracized her family and her own parents, who put her through this ordeal. They are the direct perpetrators of that trauma, not the Singhs.
If you indeed want to compare Gauri's trauma with that of a rape victim's, then let us say, it is as if the raped girl--- who being raped on the street having found no place in a hotel---bears grudge not against the rapist but against the hotel manager who could not give her accommodation for the night and hence acted as a causal agent to her rape.

Edited by woman11 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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good topic... n nice thoughts...

gauri is a character we know only through what CVs showed her to be... from that, i think she was happy to get that wedding nullified... and she was a really bubbly happy-go-lucky kinda girl when she was fist introduced as grown up gauri... in that shot, there was no traces of childhood trauma... she wasnt the gloomy intovert like asha or suguna or gehna (initially)... so from the character point of view, i'd say the level of victimization is less, if not nil...

but from a reality point of view... life could have been really bitter for a girl given her age, the society she lived in and the circumstances she had to face... the struggle would have made her either too withrawn or too tough - may be even to the extend of hitlergiri... just assumptions... coz there are hundred thousand possibilities... and all we can focus on is how the CVs put it... coz thats all we see... isnt it?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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very well put Antara.

that explains a lot as to why she behaves the way she does.

Now tinoo coming to your point, others here have cleared and given a proper counter points to back up their POVs.

My Take on this:

We have already discussed this before here in the forum that Gauri might be suffering from split personality disorder or something of that range where Educated Gauri is one personality and the defeated abused child gauri is another.

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Earlier when Gauri did not marry Jagya and just had found out about Jagya's deceit , she took the phone call of Jagya and yelled at him stating she never wants to return to Mumbai and for him to stay away from her.

This was the real Gauri, the girl who had struggled and made something out of her.

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But her other gauri, took strong form and made her take steps which the educated gauri would not have agreed to.
She got married , but if you look at the scenes clearly, when ever she is addressing the family members its not the educated gauri who speaks , the girl whom we all thought to be positive rather
its the other.

There were many times when the real gauri did come out: For instance

When Anandi confronted Gauri that she has chosen her 'durbhagya' and accepted the injustice done to her by marrying jagya , gauri was stumped and she looked at the mirror and touched her sindoor. Indicated the thought process going in her head as to 'what the hell have I done?'

but that was quickly gone when Sumitra came and retorted.

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we see another strong instance where when she found out that she is not the legal wife, she screams at jagya saying leave her alone and to get out from her life.

point being, there is a mix of emotions within her,
she knows what she is doing is wrong and yet she continues doing it because she has become, as anthara rightly put, a symbol of her parents' anger and grudge towards the singhs.

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No matter how successful she had become , her mother always had hid that saree considering her suhaagan and nver appreciating her. Rather by her actions showing that , she is incomplete and worthless.

I feel bad for Gauri. a perfect example of Bad parenting , I can say cruel parenting.

I hope the CVs bring this point to light that its her parents who are at fault more than Gauri for destroying her confidence and making her insecure.

So the question is not about Professional Success compensating Personal Loss but in my opinion its : Who is the real culprit?

Gauri? I do not think so. She did try her best to come out of her misery.
Yes she is at fault now and is/will face the consequences for it.

Bhairav and Singh family? No. They did their best to stop the tragedy from happening and went to the extent of helping the girl whom their family had done wrong to

Dadisa: yes for buying the girl and she has suffered for it by loosing her most precious of possessions in the world, Her grandson. He cheated Dadisa, lied to her, disrespected her feelings by siding with gauri. Hence the revenge well taken

Gauri's Parents: YES definitely

I still want to see them agree that they have ruined their child's life.


Edited by Suchi-NivReniac - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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like u talked about the rapist ,if he dads comes to you tomorow and wants to compensate money for your higher studies ,will u accept it ,obviously not ,if ur parents want to marry to a rich handsome guy and may be they want money too but obviously their main intention is their child is supose to be happy ,then the boy does something wrong to their child ?who is main culprit obviously the boy,and his family too is to be blamed not the girls parents.if the boys rapes her ,treats her like maid ,or does any kind of wrong to her ,all this cant be compesated with money.its not about who has tried to do what or whether ds or bharon,or anyone ,the question is whether money can compensate for all this ,the troublesome life she had to live with .i dont understand why are we trying to say they tried to their best or watever.thats not the question here.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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after becoming a doctor and educated woman living in mumbai for yrs u have such mentality bull shit it is the most modernised city 😕😕😕😕😕😕
1.had i been married to jagya and marriage nullified and then if i become a doctor i would have . forgotten and felt that it was a boon frm singh family that i became a doctor and so espectable life
2. iwould have shown gratitude to them for gretaness
3. i would have rejected proposal of married man like jagya and would have let him die it was his family issue why to care for such cheater who wants to cheat innocent wife let him die
4. this is education no selfish motive
5. all logics anandi gave were right " padh likh kar soch choti hi reh gayi " bull shit on such people
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Posted: 13 years ago
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It's my earnest request, please don't compare Gauri's situation to a rape. The Singh family did nothing close to rape. Rape is a completely different offense and it's seriousness cannot be equated with anything that the Singh family did. Please do not invoke rape so frivolously or with such a casual tone.

@tanvismile:
As I said, if you insist drawing the rape analogy, then Bhairon is probably the hotel manager who did not let the girl to stay in his hotel, he cannot be blamed for the rape. Now if the hotel manager feels bad whatever happened to the girl and tries to help her rebuild her life, he only deserves thanks, not grudge.
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