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achiever

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Posted: 13 years ago

#31

everybody is talking abt rights of women and husband.. bt wat abt the rights of tht child.. jst bcoz its still forming and cant say "I want to live" tht doesnt mean it hasnt the right to live on..

If as a women u chose to have fun, to live ur life on ur own terms, and in process conceived, thn y r u not taking up the responsibility of ur fun.. ur actions... of being a woman... jst bcoz its impractical, inconvenient or circumstances r extremely harsh..

wen women talk abt her rites.. i agree she has a rite to live her "own" life.. bt do live your "own" and not interfere with the one thts abt to be born.. .. women can to talk abt her rites, her decisions, equality, one function which makes her distinct from men in terms of evolution is her being "female" and her ability to bear child.. her role in progeny.. bt if devoid of it, tht doesnt make her less "female' but if she conceives its her responsibility to make sure it sees thru this world.. its a fact and will remain so tht the baby cant survive and grow without the mother unless science gives a breakthrough to those women who dont mind conceiving but mind bearing it and the discomfort associated for 9 long months... so eventually the baby is on mercy of its mother/parents.. and if she/thm decide thn it can have rite to live, if not, it has no rites watsoever..!!😒

I believe any women or men or any person on this earth shud not have any rites to decide on a baby's life after its conceived..

human beings have a trait of rationalizing their wrong moves.. none of the other creatures have this ability.. and human beings r just misusing it..

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stuti..

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Posted: 13 years ago

#32

As explained to us (our belief- Jainism) to respect life in any form, abortion is no in principle. The practical compulsions aside (don't want to be judgmental on individual exigencies), the Life begins at time of fertilization- whether it has consciousness or sense faculties in early stage is moot here for an imperative logic that it will mostly have one if allowed its due course. So in practical life, contraceptives are the base safeguard, (not stretching the logic of 'if allowed its due course' even by contraceptives!!)...The rape, untenable conceptions (for health reasons) is another matter...but unplanned or - careless- conceptions may not be availing the option- again, as stated earlier, don't want to be judgmental on individual preferences.

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achiever

@achiever

Dazzler

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Posted: 13 years ago

#33

Originally posted by: stutishah
As explained to us (our belief- Jainism) to respect life in any form, abortion is no in principle. The practical compulsions aside (don't want to be judgmental on individual exigencies), the Life begins at time of fertilization- whether it has consciousness or sense faculties in early stage is moot here for an imperative logic that it will mostly have one if allowed its due course. So in practical life, contraceptives are the base safeguard, (not stretching the logic of 'if allowed its due course' even by contraceptives!!)...The rape, untenable conceptions (for health reasons) is another matter...but unplanned or - careless- conceptions may not be availing the option- again, as stated earlier, don't want to be judgmental on individual preferences.

I agree.. except in cases of incest and rape where it shud b lelinent due to social issues rather.. but in this age, jst bcoz of one's own carelessness or unplanning if one conceives, abortion shudn't b allowed at watever stage.. especially if the couple is well educated and knows wats the worth of a life being doctors..😆😆😆

every life has value.. and fertilization is afterall the beginining.. and I wud take it as beginining of life/consciousness as afterall v 2 started from a single cell.. 😆... unless science proves it otherwise, i wud go with the existence of God and will of God.. 😆..

U know the chances of conceiving in a month r jst 20%.. 😆.. and even thn if u cant take precautions thn even God cant help it...😆

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sreevask

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Posted: 13 years ago

#34

Originally posted by: asru
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angelic8219

@angelic8219

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#35

I will only agree with abortion is the right step if she is raped or if having the baby is going to cause the death of the mother.

Not sure about the teens not having access to information cause as far as I know they probably know more contraception and stuff, it more down to their stupidity that they assume it wont happen on the first time so I can't buy that argument.

Never heard of contraception having a huge effect on health that you can't take or use it so I'm ruling that one out too.

I also don't agree with abortion because a child is deformed or has a defect cause if that was the case I wouldn't be here with a deformed hand.

Gauri and Jagya are at fault as I don't think they taken any precautions at all. Even if Gauri was on the pill and not taking it right, the condom would have saved her from getting pregnant. It was spur of the moment contraception definitely went out the window. Even if the condom split there is the morning after pill which she could has got.

Point is Gauri could have prevented it with a morning after pill as a last resort. If you look at Gauri and Jagya then they are not responsible enough to look after a child but people change when it placed on them as they have to adapt to the situation. For Gauri career is important to her so she should have thought about this before getting pregnant. I just can't agree with an abortion in Gauri's situation. I rather she have the baby and consider adoption.

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Sakshi

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Posted: 13 years ago

#36

@ Woman11

I Agree with ur point of view. And though I too am against abortion

I think a child needs a positive environment, where it can feel safe, loved, valued.

What about when the kid grows up and all it sees is the mom looking at him/her like they;re the bane of her existence? Because she couldn't finish her MS/ has to stay at home a bit more?

If the parent(s) already know that they can't provide such an environment for the child its better to not have it or give it up for adoption.

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hooked

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Posted: 13 years ago

#37

Some of the posts here are just amazing !

Just bcoz there can be a contraceptive failure - which is possible coz every method of contraception says almost 100% protection but never promises that it may not fail - you want the couple to bring a life into the world and care for it as a punishment ? bcoz their protection failed ??

What kind of love and care would such not-ready-to-be-parents provide to a helpless little baby who will be totally dependent on them to love him, feed him, clean him, rock him ?? Parents who are resentful will hate the child and the child will grow up wondering why did they bring me in this world if they didn't want me in the first place ??

How can you all believe that life exists even in a single cell ? Then might as well go the whole Catholic way which says every sperm is a yet to be fertilised and born child - so do not use contraception - practise staying away !!!

IT IS A CRIME TO BRING A CHILD IN THE WORLD IF U DON'T WANT IT, CAN'T LOVE IT, PROVIDE AND CARE FOR IT. It is these children who grow up without love and care who have the potential to become social misfits and eventually hurt the society coz they have received no love and hence don't know how to give love back.

I am so glad our country allows easy MTP till 12 weeks and conditional MTP till 20 weeks. LOVE for a new life has to come first before RIGHT to a new life.

Edited by hooked - 13 years ago

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hooked

@hooked

Dazzler

Posted: 13 years ago

#38

Actually, I have to add - she can give it up for adoption but c'mon - will anyone let JG do that ? The baby wl be brought back to Jaitser and the parents wud always be made to feel that they shud take care of it. Gauri will never be able to pursue her MS with as clean a conscience and with all her time an energ coz she wud be so divided.

Even those who say what about Jagya's rights - will eventually turn around and say - that was then - but now you are a mother - how can u even think of anything for yourself - your baby of course has to be your first priority.

G shows no signs of maturity or emotional stability - she would be rejected outright if she were to apply to adopt a baby. So then, why should she become a mother ?Just because she has a healthy fertile young body & happened to mate thoughtlessly?

Think about it - let her complete her MS, put in soem years of work, settle down a bit and then once she feels ready to take on more responsibility - have her baby. Then she will be loving and caring and take care of her health and mood swings during pregnancy and have love and patience for the newborn too.

So many kids under 5 come to hospitals with severe trauma and bruises and parents pass it off as - he/she is naughty and fell by themselves - and in a majority of these cases - adults have lost their temper and patience and hit out at the poor helpless kid. Does anyone think that life is more preferable ?

Edited by hooked - 13 years ago

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achiever

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Dazzler

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Posted: 13 years ago

#39

Love is a very selfish word.. and its pretty relative.. and elusive.. and "luv" for kid is most natural instinct.. it cannot b developed its jst thr or it isnt..

Jst bcoz at certain point in time of ur life, u came to conclusion tht u cannot give love back, u decided to terminate a "prospective" life.. ended its life even before it saw the day.. instead of even trying to give it a worthy future.. as a responsible parent.. it may happen, at a later moment in life u realize u cud actually luv.. bt the chance of tht life has already gone.. u decided on its fate.. jst bcoz u felt u were incompetent..

and NOT giving back love has nothing to do with kids turning anti-social lunatics... and its not as if kids who were luved enuf havent turned into anti-social elements..

the pnt is thr r no rules.. u cant predict the outcome of birth or wat wud result in death..

Using the protection is always to "lower" the chances, and not "deny" it... ppl do get pregnant in spite of everything.. and some ppl dont in spite of doing everything rite..

When life is so unpredictable, who r u to decide of somebody else life.. without giving it a chance even to live in this world..

if one doesnt want kids, thr r always more fail-safe surgical options which r reversible at a later stage bt ppl wont go for it.. bcoz ppl even want to have kids at their own convenience.. like house, car, bike...

@hooked

"Think about it - let her complete her MS, put in soem years of work, settle down a bit and then once she feels ready to take on more responsibility - have her baby. Then she will be loving and caring and take care of her health and mood swings during pregnancy and have love and patience for the newborn too."

One is so confident abt its future which is not in their hands.. wat if she doesnt concieve at all.. wat if thr is no another chance.. wud she b able to get rid of guilt tht she denied a life into this world..

thrs one example: A relative of mine had to abort her child at young age bcoz of some social issues.. later on when she wanted to conceive she cudnt.. she tried every trick in the book, every method possible.. and jst wen she left all to God.. it happened naturally at an unbelievable age!...

Life is unpredictable and u simply cannot decide on taking away someone else' life..

well, even science doesnt know yet wats the source of life and exactly wen it begins.. thrs so much still unraveled to us.. so u cannot say if an egg has life or not.. it goes on same logic as tht of eggs and chicken.. many consider egg as nonliving thng..

so for me i think it becomes a viable thing the moment u come to know tht it had enuf potential of growing into a chicken or a good human being in our case, had it not been ur decision tht denied it its existence!

Edited by achiever - 13 years ago

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vasuja

@vasuja

Voyager

Posted: 13 years ago

#40

lovely topic Antara... First of all I am surprised that Gauri thought abt abortion. It is one of the very few rational thoughts Gauri had after marrying Jagat😆 Jagat has rights to have a baby. He does have a say. But the problem is that he is not capable enough to tkae care and provide for a baby. Jagat desires to go ahead with pregnancy becoz he thins that the baby will heal his family relationships and his entire family will support him financially, mentally and physically. Adding to it he thinks that the baby will strengthen his relation with Gauri and also believes it will make his ambitious wife to prioritise him and his child first...The baby looks like a ticket to solve all his problem now ( as per his expressions and dialogues shown till now)

Gauri however dumb she has become still thiks that she needs tobe prepared for a child: physically, mentally and financially. Unlike Jagya as of now she is not thinking abt her or jagya's family to take up resposibilty( CVS may show her thinking that way in future)...The person who needs to compromise more in this case is gauri. After a lot of difficulties Gauri got the oppurtunity to continue this year studies, moreover she is doing very well in her studies. She is aware that a baby would drastically affect her studies and even the the minimum 1 to 2 months break will have setbacks in studies like medicine. Moreover the issue does not stop with delivery. The baby needs to be cared and provided. Eve if she gets her mom's help it is still mentally exhausting especially when she is not prepared for it.

I agree that it was foolish that she was careless. Even if I take the argument that the contraceptive failed, she is 35 dyas pregnant and being a doc she should have taken a pregnancy test after missinng her period. Being a doc resources are easily available. Irrespective of all that if Gauri decides to abort I think it would be ok becoz both herself and Jagat are in no way prepared to have and raise a child.

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