Ram/Priya - Who is right? - VB Note p.28

parul khare

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Posted: 13 years ago

#171

Originally posted by: krystal_watz
Ok, so keeping a father in dark about his child is correct. Goddit.

u are just pointing one thing and that is priya kept the child away from her dad ya we know that and priya too accept her mistake and ready to do whatever it take for her child happiness and make ram and pihu stay together but may i know that what ram is doing ... is he doing correct taking pihu away from priya he is doing the same mistake that what priya did and she suffered for that but now what is ram doing same thing na and without a worry that it will effect on pihu how much... before they were not aware of each other so their was no feeling of loss but after knowing u have a daughter u definitively want to be with her and that's not wrong he deserve to be with her

but asking her sole custody ram may get his daughter but pihu will lose her mother

before their was nothing to loose as they were not aware of each other but after knowing their relation of father and daughter and because of his decision he will get what he want but pihu will be in loss and in future ram will regret himself for this damm decision

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-SakshisFan-

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Posted: 13 years ago

#172

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

Uhh no "Mam",😛 this is a topic that invites debates, and if you're gonna put up an argument, expect people to counter it. And reply back to them using logic. Making a point and then backing out when somebody nullifies your arguments is NOT the way to go about in a Debate.

PS: No, NOT a Ram Kapoor fan or anything, I hardly watch this show regularly.😆

Krystal, first thing...I am not backing out and I have answers to all the above points Kaushik made.

I have been an active debater in my university so I know counter remarks are made etc etc. I wanted to end the convo a light way but if you wanna debate...am all for it.

Here I go...

A couple for things for both the above posts. First Ayesha was ready to withdraw her statement but verdict was delivered also she would not have been Ayesha Ram Kapoor to miss out on anything so against the reapeal she would have withdrawn her statement. Which means at least bail for the convict as per law then the state had to prove that Ayesha is making such statement under pressure which means she could get away in a couple of months.

Assumptions , Assumptions , assumptions..."Aysha would have withdrawn her statement"...the fact is she did not. Why would she have withdrawn her statement. Soon after her statement against Priya, Ayesha knew she was pregnant, then why would she let the father of her child go behind the bars.

Second I say whims and fancies because she took a huge decision based on discussion of just two ladies whom she over heard. Third she heard partial statement of Ram speaking to a lady and she decided Ram had moved on.

I agree on these points and whole wold was angry at her decision.

Fourth she never tried to find out how Ram was in four years my statement is based on the fact Ram was a celebrity businessman and his news flashed every now and then yet she did know that he was married to Ayesha.

Right or wrong...She had already made a decision !! Now she had to stick to it for peace of her mind and for her own sanity. It is necessary to make a conscious effort to withdraw from a person whom you love a lot but you see no future of you two together. Rams marriage to Ayesha was kept under low covers, he married her when she was pregnant and its very easy for top celebrities and business ppl to keep Media out of all this. Its very much possible that Priya didnt watch the TV. While Ram married Ayesha, Priya was Pregnant and struggling to make a living. She might not be glued to tv all day long.

Some argued she phoned a couple of times to Ram from Dubai but how many would accept a call from an unknown number that too when his wife had died a few days ago.

Why would you not accept phone call from unknown number...it could be important too specially when wife is dead and her body is not found...thats no excuse.

Finally she did not think she needed any guidance else she could have seeked from someone who she could confide in yet who could keep her secret.

Who someone in whom she could have confided ? You know all the ppl in sharma house. She cannot confide to any one person in Sharma house who would let her keep all this as a secret.

She had no friends other than the loser ppl like Ashwin n his wife. Can she confide anyone in KM?

About shared custody, that is Peehu's right anyway, she cannot keep Peehu away from Ram she is not doing any favor to anyone by doing that.

Who said she is doing any favor? We are supporting her good decision that she is happy to see father daughter unite without expecting Ram to actually forgive her immediately. All she wants is that please listen to her side of the story too.. she agreed that she was wrong but still even court and law gives permission to any criminal to tell what they did...what thought process they went through when they did something wrong etc..Is it anything wrong now in expecting that too...Is it her plan to make Pihu and Ram unite to get her wife status back ? She is at fault again ? Anu gave it a perfect heading...she will always be culprit for some.

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Posted: 13 years ago

#173

Originally posted by: Anamika163

thats no way to inflict pain on her... she didn't run away with another man.. ram is just being a jerk !

Absolutely.

Atleast Priya is thinking and realizing that it takes a toll on a child when parents fight ...and that too fight in court over her custody. But Ram is hell bent on Tit for Tat. He doesnt care that what Pihu will go through when dragged in court and questioned . All he cares is to satisfy his ego by giving same pain to Priya.

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Anamika

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: -SakshisFan-

Absolutely.
Atleast Priya is thinking and realizing that it takes a toll on a child when parents fight ...and that too fight in court over her custody. But Ram is hell bent on Tit for Tat. He doesnt care that what Pihu will go through when dragged in court and questioned . All he cares is to satisfy his ego by giving same pain to Priya.

yeah n m not saying priya was right separating peehu from ram.. she is regretting her decision.. she cant bring back those 5 years na.. n sorry is also not enough but wht to do... hang her till death for her mistake...!! Ram should at least listen to her.. shout at her.. show her that she was wrong.. if he is judging her that she was wrong.. then he himself should choose a right path na.. wht is this "i will keep her daughter away from her for 5 years now n then say sorry n resolve" "my wife ayesha.. jadu ki chadi" all rubbish.. cheap n childish

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Anamika

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: krystal_watz

To inflict pain on Priya. That's the point. He wants her to feel the same pain he has gone through.
Not to forget, Priya keping Pihu and Ram seperate for five years is justified in your POV.👏
If Priya couldn't think straight at that time, then neither can Ram NOW. Why is your logic not applicable to Ram then?

maybe wrong but priya made a decision all alone...she had no one to guide her. Here Ram is making the decision in spite of all his family members , Vikram , sister, friends trying to make him see that its wrong... in return he is shouting his family to leave KM. wow wht an attitude..👏 Thats the difference between Ram n Priya..

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jineejiggs

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Posted: 13 years ago

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I agree with u totally, his actions now a days cannot be justified, it seems he had lost it, if Priya's decision 5 years back is not justified his also cannot be now, he is behaving like a child, who in his power and position does not give a damn to it, how can he be so rude and insensitive, his anger is justified but not his behavior

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Posted: 13 years ago

#177

Originally posted by: -SakshisFan-

Krystal, first thing...I am not backing out and I have answers to all the above points Kaushik made.
I have been an active debater in my university so I know counter remarks are made etc etc. I wanted to end the convo a light way but if you wanna debate...am all for it.
Here I go...

A couple for things for both the above posts. First Ayesha was ready to withdraw her statement but verdict was delivered also she would not have been Ayesha Ram Kapoor to miss out on anything so against the reapeal she would have withdrawn her statement. Which means at least bail for the convict as per law then the state had to prove that Ayesha is making such statement under pressure which means she could get away in a couple of months.

Assumptions , Assumptions , assumptions..."Aysha would have withdrawn her statement"...the fact is she did not. Why would she have withdrawn her statement. Soon after her statement against Priya, Ayesha knew she was pregnant, then why would she let the father of her child go behind the bars.

Yes, agree here.

Second I say whims and fancies because she took a huge decision based on discussion of just two ladies whom she over heard. Third she heard partial statement of Ram speaking to a lady and she decided Ram had moved on.

I agree on these points and whole wold was angry at her decision.

Agree too.

Fourth she never tried to find out how Ram was in four years my statement is based on the fact Ram was a celebrity businessman and his news flashed every now and then yet she did know that he was married to Ayesha.

Right or wrong...She had already made a decision !! Now she had to stick to it for peace of her mind and for her own sanity. It is necessary to make a conscious effort to withdraw from a person whom you love a lot but you see no future of you two together. Rams marriage to Ayesha was kept under low covers, he married her when she was pregnant and its very easy for top celebrities and business ppl to keep Media out of all this. Its very much possible that Priya didnt watch the TV. While Ram married Ayesha, Priya was Pregnant and struggling to make a living. She might not be glued to tv all day long.

You make a valid point, but she was living in a house.She must've flipped on the TV sometime or the other. And since Rajat was a buddy of Ram, chances were there she'd have heard his granny/mom talking about it. And these days, hardly anything is kept under wraps. Speculation would b filling the tabloids and news channels since anything about Ram drew crowds like flies to morsels.😆

Some argued she phoned a couple of times to Ram from Dubai but how many would accept a call from an unknown number that too when his wife had died a few days ago.

Why would you not accept phone call from unknown number...it could be important too specially when wife is dead and her body is not found...thats no excuse.

Good point again. But then, Ram might've missed those calls. That's the only rreason fathomable on why he didn't accept/return those calls.

Finally she did not think she needed any guidance else she could have seeked from someone who she could confide in yet who could keep her secret.

Who someone in whom she could have confided ? You know all the ppl in sharma house. She cannot confide to any one person in Sharma house who would let her keep all this as a secret.

She had no friends other than the loser ppl like Ashwin n his wife. Can she confide anyone in KM?

Vikram and Neha?Surely Vikram would've understood? Or maybe not.

About shared custody, that is Peehu's right anyway, she cannot keep Peehu away from Ram she is not doing any favor to anyone by doing that.

Who said she is doing any favor? We are supporting her good decision that she is happy to see father daughter unite without expecting Ram to actually forgive her immediately. All she wants is that please listen to her side of the story too.. she agreed that she was wrong but still even court and law gives permission to any criminal to tell what they did...what thought process they went through when they did something wrong etc..Is it anything wrong now in expecting that too...Is it her plan to make Pihu and Ram unite to get her wife status back ? She is at fault again ? Anu gave it a perfect heading...she will always be culprit for some.

No she's not expecting back wife status. But we, as viewers, should be like her and understand Ram's POV too, right?😛She's not angry at Ram since she understands where he's coming from and knows that it's not possible for him to see sense at this point. So why are we being so inconsiderate towards Ram?

Thanks for replying. I've worded out myself in green.

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Posted: 13 years ago

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I haven't seen any of the episodes for last almost 6 months and read only the updates. Hence I don't want to write positives and negatives for either Ram or Priya without knowing all the details.

There's just one small point of view I have:-

There are certain people who deal with certain emotions in a certain way. eg, I'm sure most maids (helping hands) in India crib about their husbands drinking and hitting them at night..and next day when the hubby is sane and loving again, the maid forgets the trauma and accepts it as a part of life.

Similarly, office goers are used to putting up with certain types of behaviour from their bosses. Tantrums/ holidays cancelled/ credit taken for work done..etc etc. Juniors accept this as a part of life.

So on and so forth... there are so many different kinds of "acceptable" behaviour in different sections and diff levels of society.

So,in the educated society when RaYa live and with the background they belong to... (based on the written updates only) I felt that the way Ram decided to punish Priya for her mistake was unacceptable.

He decided to DEMEAN her. (by calling her a liar in front of her daughter and by flirting with her sister in front of her).

That was crude.

5th March, Ram had made a crude allegation too..when he told Priya he would book a room for her and Ronit... to get together.

That happened in the heat of the moment and between the two of them only. Even then, I found that dialogue unacceptable...but 5th March full episode wiped away all feelings of negativity.

Now,.. his speaking rudely to family members, and other acts...all are justified. Finding out someone is alive...that someone whom you remembered almost every second in those 5 years can be really earth shattering. And he definitely needs an outlet to express that hurt/ the feeling of being let down.

But even then, with the education we get, with the family background we have and with the upbringing we get, there are certain limits we do NOT cross.

I think Ram crossed that line by the 2 actions in red above. And he behaved like an uneducated person. WHich is why I personally think he behaved like a "Ramu" and not like Ram.

Rest of the fights and issues... well, unless they bring up the temp like 5th March, how else would we get a repeat of 5th March and then 12th March? :-)

And the new promo just out 👏 👏 👏 👏. Ramu is dead. Love live Ram !

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Posted: 13 years ago

#179

Originally posted by: Anamika163

<font color="#CC0033"><font size="4">so u want to say Ram is right flaunting Ayesha??</font>
n Priya... try n remember wht mental pressure she had gone through.. 1st da Niharika blackmail.. then ram asking her to get out.. then taking ram's blame on her.. da jail thing.. her so called sisters fraud.. how to u expect her to think sensibly??if u can say Ram is a human so is PRIYA FOR GOD'S SAKE ! </font>

exactly anu di, u got it on the right point.. Ok , if keeping a child away from father is a crime, than flaunting that classless ayesha is also a crime.. Watever priya did she did in a limit. Never hurted anyone intenseily. But ram he is doing and hurting priya purposely and without mentaining a limit.. A family pic was too much. And pls try to think like a human being.

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Originally posted by: LalitaLahiri

I haven't seen any of the episodes for last almost 6 months and read only the updates. Hence I don't want to write positives and negatives for either Ram or Priya without knowing all the details.

There's just one small point of view I have:-

There are certain people who deal with certain emotions in a certain way. eg, I'm sure most maids (helping hands) in India crib about their husbands drinking and hitting them at night..and next day when the hubby is sane and loving again, the maid forgets the trauma and accepts it as a part of life.

Similarly, office goers are used to putting up with certain types of behaviour from their bosses. Tantrums/ holidays cancelled/ credit taken for work done..etc etc. Juniors accept this as a part of life.

So on and so forth... there are so many different kinds of "acceptable" behaviour in different sections and diff levels of society.

So,in the educated society when RaYa live and with the background they belong to... (based on the written updates only) I felt that the way Ram decided to punish Priya for her mistake was unacceptable.

He decided to DEMEAN her. (by calling her a liar in front of her daughter and by flirting with her sister in front of her).

That was crude.

5th March, Ram had made a crude allegation too..when he told Priya he would book a room for her and Ronit... to get together.

That happened in the heat of the moment and between the two of them only. Even then, I found that dialogue unacceptable...but 5th March full episode wiped away all feelings of negativity.

Now,.. his speaking rudely to family members, and other acts...all are justified. Finding out someone is alive...that someone whom you remembered almost every second in those 5 years can be really earth shattering. And he definitely needs an outlet to express that hurt/ the feeling of being let down.

But even then, with the education we get, with the family background we have and with the upbringing we get, there are certain limits we do NOT cross.

I think Ram crossed that line by the 2 actions in red above. And he behaved like an uneducated person. WHich is why I personally think he behaved like a "Ramu" and not like Ram.

Rest of the fights and issues... well, unless they bring up the temp like 5th March, how else would we get a repeat of 5th March and then 12th March? :-)

And the new promo just out 👏 👏 👏 👏. Ramu is dead. Love live Ram !

Lalita