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Posted: 14 years ago
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Very well written Vasu!!!
I kinda agree with u on every note... Everyone was blaming Ram for no reason; Its was the responsibility of her parents to find out whether that fraud is a good human being...or is he telling them the truth? But no one dare to do that; as they want to get rid of Priya as soon as possible. Which family does all this with their daughter these days?
And I completely agree with u. Sakshi never make us realize that she is the same person who was portrayed the character of Parvati in KGGK. She is really an awesome artist!!!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: nureat01

Bang on with the title as always, Vas! Today was like BASIC EKTAGIRI 101...a crash course for all those who want to learn what a TYPICAL Ekta show ka epi looks like. So true, Anu! All those people who haven't seen an Ekta show before, this was your intro 😆


I also thought the first scene held promise but when it came down to Shipra showing that she was drowning Ganesh ji ki murti, I was like hain??? I'm sorry if I don't get the religious connotation behind this😕...what does that prove?? Sudhir's point was still right ki why the heck was Shipra recycling the ring of a BROKEN ENGAGEMENT for Priya?😕 I'm not sure there is a religious connotation to this - if there is, someone please explain it to me also. When she first dragged Sudhir out there, to be honest I thought she was going to say that she had bought a solid gold murti of Ganesh-ji especially for Priya and her husband, as a wedding gift or something. That would have at least been better than this...

And later on also in the final high point drama scene...very poor editing once again...in the very end toh they RECYCLED a shot of Priya's reaction to Vineet's revelation in the BEGINNING of the scene...HOW does that fit in to use again AFTER Priya's monologue when she's much more emotional?? Hain?? I guess the editor monkeys were drunk again LMAO, really? I think I missed that in all the gazillion reaction shots 😆 it's a pretty big leap down from Thurs' episode and since they had 3 days to piece this together, I'm hoping it was an error of necessity (i.e. actors unavailable to re-shoot or something) rather than a pattern.

The entire revelation didn't do much for me...poor execution...and yes, the camera was SO jerky in the scene with Priya's speech that it took away from the effect even though otherwise Sakshi was so good in that scene. Yes, Sakshi was good in that scene but the non-reactions of every one else were very disconcerting. I kept flashing back to Kahaani days, and when, say, Shruti would make an emotional speech to her mother, Paro would actually react to her words through small actions and expressions. Rest of the family were mute as always, but then they always were losers 😆 at least Sakshi - on the parents end of the spectrum - would have SOME reaction. Idhar toh even Priya's pleas towards her father resulted in nothing more than a blank stare from him. Though I did like Shipra's reactions - her tears seemed very natural. In fact, aside from Ram, I think she was the only one reacting to Priya's words. Even Karthik - whose sherwani was VERY distracting btw, courtesy of that horrendous gold spot just above his chest - just stood there and let her speak AT him, not to him.

Overall it was all just too much melodrama with BAD production values...didn't enjoy the epi😕

P.S. Nuts burning those roses was...SO W*F-ish LMAO - I guess it's meant to signify that she doesn't care about love and romance and all that...but I keep thinking about those poor roses 😆 just because they're already dead doesn't mean she needs to torture them. I can SO see this girl as a kid, torturing her pets and other animals just to get a reaction 😕 total psycho in the making.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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@Mira, @Shanti - totally agree. Someone other than Ram should have taken responsibility; just because the great Ram Kapoor says "I will find a son-in-law for you" doesn't mean that the parents should just kick back and relax.

My problem with Sudhir - mainly - is not that he doesn't love Priya. From his words, he certainly does love her. But he does so much less than everyone else for her. It's good to have a confidante and a friend who listens to your hopes and wishes, but Priya needs more than that from a father. Shipra, for all her "sautelapan" or annoying habits, at least she is constantly on the case of Priya's marriage. SHE was the one - with Ayesha - who set up Priya's profile on the matrimonial website, SHE was the one who called the pandit-ji, SHE was the one who spoke to the marriage bureau guy. Where is Sudhir in all this? Buying samosas? Is the definition of a "good parent" someone who sits and listens to you every day, who supports you and understands you? Is that the only definition? Because if it is, then no wonder that Sudhir is portrayed as the better parent and Shipra as the "stepmother". But if the definition of a parent is to actually DO something for your child, then Shipra beats Sudhir by miles.

They only found out yesterday na, that Ram had sent Vi-neat? Before that they were ecstatic at the thought that their matrimonial website plan had worked. So, why did no one check the guy and his background? Ek meeting mein you were happy to bundle off your eldest daughter to some stranger? No use blaming Ram for not doing a background check - all said and done, he is not Priya's family. His ulterior motive for getting Priya married is to get his own sister married. And look at what he has done for the crazy Nuts. If Karthik had done even half of that for Priya, they would not be in this situation. The fact that Ram is a nice guy who does not want Priya to get hurt is a BONUS, really. It's the only thing that stopped the wedding. If he had been selfish, he would not have stopped the engagement. But you cannot rely on the goodness of others to save you.

Sudhir's outburst yesterday was very inappropriate considering HE is the one at fault. I'm not saying Ram wasn't wrong - after being told to stop looking, he should have stopped looking. But the fact is that his intentions were pure, and again, he might wish Priya well, but he is not necessarily looking out for HER best interests so much as Nuts'. For him, Priya is an obstacle - a very nice obstacle, sure, but nonetheless. Abhi there is no such relation between him and Priya for him to be thinking exclusively of her.

Sudhir should really look to himself to see why he, as the girl's FATHER, for heaven's sake, did not even bother to find out more about the guy he is handing his sweet "bachi" over to. My father would do a THOUSAND checks before he even considered saying yes to a proposal for me or my sisters, whether I'm 24 or 40 years old. Priya was totally justified in what she said to everyone, especially to Sudhir, since he has been her supposed champion all this time. Jo koi bhi milta hai, he tells them very proudly that "my daughter is a double MA", and yet, there is shame in his eyes because Priya's marriage has not taken place. Parents only feel successful when a daughter is married off, right? So why bother giving her an education? Why not revert to the age-old custom of marrying illiterate girls off at unspeakable ages just to get rid of them??

Apologies for the rant at the end, but I really, really don't get why Karthik and Sudhir were so adamant at blaming Ram for their own mistakes. What kind of mentality is that when a stranger tries to help you, to do some good, you end up blaming them for your failings?

@others - will respond shortly. 😃
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Good analysis again Vasu! I don't feel the Ektagiri part so much I guess, because I have never followed EK shows much earlier...they were time pass and fillers in between, but I have not seen any show enough to know the story line or all the characters! So some of the things I can just pass off as the usual TV soap tradition! So this is really a crash course for me! 😆


I did find the editing horrible for this episode, the scenes did not flow well. Being such an important episode, more care should have been taken...


What I found most odd was that file on Vineet which Vikram brings to show Ram. Does that mean Ram had ordered an investigation on Vineet but did not wait for the report before he sent Vineet to the Sharmas and allowed the rishta to proceed? Did he think that the Sharmas would investigate the boy...this is possible. But if Ram was not going to investigate much and was satisfied with Vineet and offered him perks for marrying Priya, then where did the file come from? Would anyone connected to Ram investigate without Ram telling them to? Or did Vikram take it upon himself to check further and found out and came to Ram in time to stop the engagement? I don't get it...however you try to fit it in, it doesn't fit! 😕


I liked Priya's outburst...👏...she finally reached her breaking point and lashed out at everyone...the humiliation yesterday was the proverbial straw, I think, that broke the camel's back! I really enjoyed that scene and didn't find it OTT in the least...and I liked Ram's expressions and body language as he listened to Priya's outburst! 😊


And I love your cap of Sudhir dancing in front of Ram...🤣 🤣 🤣


I didn't get the significance of the Ganesh in water either...


I don't think Shipra is Priya's stepmom though that is being hinted at in convos...as per an earlier episode, Shipra got married at the age of 19, so it seems unlikely she was married to a man with a child at that age! 🤔 It is more like Priya does not fit in with Shipra's ideas...she didn't "get married when she should have"...she is not after glamor and beauty like Ayesha...and Kartik being "a son" would be forgiven anything! So Priya is the odd one out for Shipra...and she is partial towards her younger children...I could be wrong and Priya might turn out to be a step-daughter...after all it is an EK show! 😃

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: psawyer

What have the poor roses done to Nutzilla? Becharon ki kya haalat kar di hai iss pagal ne. And what is with everyone admiring the ring like it was made for the Queen herself? It's not that beautiful 😆

I love Nutz' very cavalier approach to marriage - chahe Karthik ho ya Akaash, ki farak painda? After all, bhai is there to pick up the pieces, na 🤢 seriously, Ram, if this hasn't convinced you to pack your bachi off to an asylum, at least think about poor Karthik. Do you really want to put him through all that?!


That was a wonderful analysis. And the above lines...must say...literally cracked me up. 🤣 🤣🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

The only thing I don't understand what was the need of all this??? I mean to break a marriage is it necessary that the groom has to be at fault. Aren't these tracks are done already a gazillion times???

I think it would have been better if Ekta had shown the marriage of Ram and Priya as destined with some innovative tracks. But its Ekta. How can we forget?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Again very well written n i was 🤣🤣🤣 like anything ... 2 good esp nutzilla 🤣
a kinda boring epi with the usual (I quote u )EKta-giri ishstyle of work like saying wait until the ring is 1mm from Priya's finger n then BAM BAM all reaction faces
even i didnt understand the whole point of putting Ganeshji in water i mean how does that mean u love ur daughter ?? kuch samaj nahin aaye 😕 n is Shipra Priya's step mom 😕
the dancing n thumka's were 🥱 n so was nutts ... i just liked mamaji gettign google eyed over the ring n saying she is just here 4 a few days then she is karthik's headache 🤣 see even he knows wot a sirphiri bhanji he has .
i dunno y every 1 was blaming Ram .. Perfecto thapad by him .. he atleast tried to do something even though his method n wrong... whereas karthik suddenly he remembers his pyari behen is unmarried n needs to settle n then he can?? wot rubbish
n wot happened to Sudhir?? i was impressed by him so far but even he was yelling ??
the best part was needless to say Priya's monologue 👏 amazing actor n amazing performance ... wot she said was cent % true 2 her mom her dad n her bro n ovcourse to the so-called society we live in as well
n poor Ram was so shattered by her words .. he felt guilty n it was so evident
Precap: i so knew this was coming wiv Niharika blabbing about the engagement n all... but 1 thing is good they didnt stretch the whole matter n hopefully shaadi jaldi hogi .. Shipra looked delighted now its to see how she convinces both Ram n Priya 4 this
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Fantastic post as usual Vasu👍🏼

I too agree this epi. was kind of disappointment,but still there was Priya & Ram who made it watchable.
The step-mother comment was i guess purposely left as an open end,knowing ekta mayi anything is possible naa😆
Now i read u & Anu both asking the significance of ganpati idol keeping in water,i have never seen anyone doing that in my personal life ,but had watched one marathi movie where there was similar scene.Actually it is done when u think u are on the verge of loosing something very dear to u & it is sort of ur last cry for help.As if u are putting ur god to the ultimate test of ur faith.why everytime it is mortals who have to give tests,sometimes god should also be put under scanner.This is what i had understood from that movie.😊
But,then again the way Shipra had done it,i couldn't see any relevance,but i could understand her fear of something might going wrong.
Its weird,but with each epi.,i am kind of finding shipra more natural & acceptable.
Can't say the same about Priya's dad😡
I also didn't get why Ram was made bali ka bakra😕i know what he did was wrong,specially when Priya had asked him to stop,he should have taken the hint,but still he did stop the engagement & saved Priya's life from ruin.I liked how Priya said,even if Ram is wrong,it is we who made him do this.
I don't stay in India since past few years,but still i have to agree with what kartik said,if the guy will walk out without engagement,everyone will see fault in Priya.sadly this type of thing has happened with one of my relative in recent time.My cousin was unnessary blamed when in reality the guy was culprit.Till date she is unmarried & now she is kind of reluctant to the idea of marriage.
The editing was biggest problem in last scene,but still i loved how Priya asked her father that just becaz she is unmarried she is no more his pride.Or for that matter when she asked Kartik,that if she can make him capable of standing on his own feet,why cann't she stand on her own ground,why does she need the sahara of marriage?
Agree with u 100% ,other than Ram,only Shipra was genuiene with her tears.She was connecting to everything Priya said.Ram was absolutely remorseful & the final jab was Priya saying don't worry,i promise u that Nuts & kats will wed on the same day that is fixed.
The precap was so ektaish,she can't stay away from her old formulas naa😆
Now ,i am waiting for that garden scene which was showed in yesterday's SBB.
All in all this episode was okish with excellent performance by ST.I liked how she was emoting thru her hands ,especilly when she kept her hand on her waist & said its funny naa Mr. kapoor.It was like she was somehow trying to control her outburst.Ram also complimented real well to her thruout with that gulit on his face & i kind of saw some genuiene connection of him to Priya when she was finally blasting each of her family member.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mahi623

I love how Priya is not against marriage itself but just the idea that it should be viewed as a necessity or something to get over with. It creates a nuance in her character, which has been consistent from her first monologue about love and marriage to this one.


There is a file about Mr. Not So Perfect's entire plam? I get Vikram finding his first marriage ka certificate, but where did anyone find proof that he is scared of his father, and plans to run off with all of the money that RK gives him? The file he kept in his office titled My Evil Plans?

Also, Ram promised him a higher salaried position, not a dowry, that he could just run off and abandon Priya once he got the money?😕


Hey Mahi 😊 totally agree with your post, especially the above. I did like that Priya's outburst wasn't just yet another bhashan, but something that she actually believes in and lives by.

LOL about the files - I too was wondering whether Ram consulted a pyschologist and a brain-reader to gather all that information 😆 surely one marriage certificate does not require a whole FILE? 😆 Someone else in this thread asked why Ram even bothered to get Vi-neat investigated AFTER they all agreed to the marriage; I agree...investigate pehle karta na, ab kya faida? It seemed to only add to the feeling that there were scenes missing...continuity was sadly lacking in this episode.

One thing that upset me was knowing that Ram did indeed send the guy, but kudos to them all not even hinting at this in the episode with the roka - no sly glances between Ram and Vi-neat etc. Looks like Vi-neat's dad didn't even know about the whole arrangement. Or else that was just his way of saving face...

Originally posted by: Nish10



My guess was right about Ram knowing Vineet before hand.. He offered him a good position if he got married to priya.. Vineet deserved another slap for not taking the entire blame. Its not that i sympathize with Ram but what vineet did was worse.. Ram's intentions were good but his approach was wrong.. But that is what most wealthy people do... They think money and power can buy anything in the world. I had this feeling that Vineet wanted to marry Priya because she was earning so he had access to her funds as well.. (the greedy types) par yeh toh ek step aage nikla.. i wonder whether his wife knew about this marriage and if she had given a nod.. 😕..

Priya's outburst was terrific👏 I never expected it to come. i thought her father and brother would do all the talking.. I was glad that Priya said what she had to say. What i liked is that she not only blamed Ram for this but also her own parents. I simply loved what she said and it was so true.. Best was she did not even bother to look at vineet because it was useless telling him how he let her down.. Finally when she promises Ram that she will get Kartik and nuts married i thought that was a tight slap on Rams face.. I wonder how he is going to face her in the future..

Precap: I wonder how would they convince Priya to marry Ram.. I know shipra will be back to her shaadi jaap again but how will priya agree? Same goes to Ram. he would feel terrible and may say yes out of guilt.. I hope we have something nice to look forward this week😊 Goodnight all


Hey Nish - totally agree @bold. Ram's approach was wrong but his intentions were good. Vi-neat's intentions were always wrong and selfish. But as you rightly said, Priya didn't even bother recriminating him because she never once felt any kind of connection with him; he was always a stranger. The fact is that she probably expected something to go wrong as her instincts were telling her that it was so. And truly he was simply not worthy of her time. Ram, on the other hand - Ram and Priya have shared more than a few conversations, they've had this discussion and since they are in a similar boat, I guess Priya expects more of him. But I was glad that she didn't lay the sole blame at his feet but instead looked internally. As you say, the final promise about Nuts-Karthik's marriage really hit Ram hard; the way he closed his eyes to shield the shame...here he was, only focused on getting his sister married and not (really) caring about Priya beyond a basic humanity. And there is Priya, humiliated and defeated, standing in front of him with dignity and poise, promising him that she will ensure his sister's marriage no matter what. He was thinking only of his own family, she is thinking of his above herself. No wonder he is ashamed. I hope this will be a pivotal moment for RP's relationship. Once again, he has misjudged Priya.

Originally posted by: trinket

Love your write up, as usual👏

Turning point in story,however the echoing voices and typical 'ekta-giri' (love the term👍🏼) ruined and made it a forgettable episode it for me!

Hated Karthik and Sudhir's contribution, pathetic!! Like Siddhant may they be busy elsewhere,soon!!
BTW, where was Siddhant and Ishita?? Sister's engagement, no??

On a brighter note, the thing I remember most from today's episode is Ram's suits are of a better cut and fit! Atleast, he can breathe easier, well done costume dada's 😃


Hi Trinket - thanks so much 😃. God knows where Siddhant and Ishita were - I simply do not understand Ram's family 😕 family kam, they seem more like roommates to me...

Yes, Ram's suit was certainly not suffocating him today 😆 he is quite the suave businessman...

@Avz - lol, thanks so much. I guess the triumphant return of Kekta really brought out the worst(best) in me 😆
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@Maris - hey! As usual, totally agree with your post. Sudhir, as the "man" of the house, should have taken steps to ensure that all was well. Even for his own peace of mind, if nothing else.


@bold: Indeed! That was so bizarre! Who comes up with this?! I am worried about their mental state!

In terms of continuity bloopers...it's irritating me that sometimes Priya has a nose ring on her right nostril, sometimes on the left...what gives? Does she have both nostrils pierced?!
Okay, I am totally OCD when it come to this stuff...😆


LMAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I think you have a right to be OCD about this kind of thing. Probably the cameraman was shooting into a mirror or something 😆 to be honest I didn't notice, but only because there were so many other continuity errors/bloopers.

Originally posted by: avivakirk

Excellent uptake on the show Vasu! Agree with u and all the others views.

Liked only the first part and Priya's dialogues. Today's episode turned out to be a damper . The scenes were badly shot.Looks like Ekta is busy with her new show .
The only redeeming quality was Priya's dialogues which I hope every woman takes into her innermost being.The questions asked were pertinent and I'm glad the men in her life got the message.

Thanks! What new show? I thought this was her new show? 😕 Just because we liked a few episodes, Ekta-ma'am, it doesn't mean that you can take your eyes off the ball! At the very least you should ensure that your writers, directors and editors are not complete gonchus and can actually DO the job they are paid to do...

I really liked Priya's outburst at Karthik, out of all of them. The frustrated way she asked him, "Why am I your zimidaari? When did I become a duty? I am older than you! I raised you!" I totally saw the frustrations of hundreds of older sisters whose younger brothers misguidedly feel they have to consider their older sisters a "duty". Though I loved Karthik's speech the other day, I equally loved Priya's counter that since she raised him (almost singlehandedly, it seems) then she can very well raise herself.

P.S did anyone notice yet another similarity between RP's situations? Ram considers himself as Nuts' father figure, and here Priya has raised Karthik almost like a mother, despite both their parents being alive and well. I suppose this is also a source of their loneliness and frustrations - bin shaadi they are parents anyway 😆

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: nureat01

The new promo just doesn't tie in after today's episode...it feels too rushed😕...Ram and Priya already discussing marriage to EACH OTHER?!

I know the precap shows Niharika talking to Shipra about Ram-Priya's rishta but shouldn't there be some kind of resistance to the idea from Ram and Priya for a bit atleast??

So far, the show generally has been good about keeping the RP situation on track...now it feels like it's being rushed a bit to get to the marriage quickly without tying up the loose ends😕


You're right, Anu. To be honest, I did not expect that engagement-ko-roko promo to happen on Monday itself; I thought we had at least a few eps before that to build up the tension. I hope this isn't going to be a pattern - that the promos will show what is happening that very day 😕 Pehle these promos were showing scenes already shown, and now they are only related to the immediate upcoming episode?

I think it is too early for that garden promo, as you say. Abhi toh both Priya and Ram need to assimilate after the shocks they have both received. I don't mind Niharika putting the idea into Shipra's head today, but I hope that the RP convo doesn't take place today, if at all this week. Even if that means enduring a week of Shipra's Ayesha-Ram misunderstanding.

@Divya - thank you very much. Oh yes, you're right - the first slap was Nuts-Karthik. I tend to block everything about Nuts out 😆

@Jaya - so good to see you here 🤗 hope you're going to become a regular? Would love to hear your 'musings' on this show too 😆

@Resham - hey! Totally agree on Sakshi. That final scene was bearable ONLY due to her; koi aur hota and I would have tuned out completely. The dialogues were good but Sakshi played them with such dignity and grace, that even as a fallen and humiliated Priya, she came out the strongest of every one there. These younger "actors" should really learn a thing or too from people like Sakshi and Ram; it's all very well being HAWT and having nice faces/bodies/dress sense...but if you can't hold a scene like that on the strength of your own acting skills, especially when everything else about that scene is going so, so wrong...then you are really in the wrong business.

@Preeti - totally the editors' fault. Don't know what they were thinking. As I said in another post, hope this was a momentary falter rather than an indication of standards slipping 😕 There's no point in good writing, good actors and good directors if the editors ruin it all on the cutting room floor.

@Preet - thanks so much! Yes, Sakshi really stepped out of the Parvati mold - even if she was giving a "bhashan", it was a Priya bhashan and not a Parvati one 😆

@Shobha - agree with you on the file business; they should have had a scene explaining this to link it up. As it was, it seemed very out of place. What's the point in doing an investigation on the day of the sagaai and not before?

@Ashima - thanks so much!

@doodleberry - thanks! True, there are other ways of breaking up the engagement and to be honest I was looking forward to Priya doing it because she didn't feel the connection. But this way, Priya remains the innocent, her parents curse Ram instead of her, Ram feels guilty and feels the need to make up for it, Niharika senses her opportunity and all threads are tied. I get, from a dramatic point of view, why it was done this way. But I do still wish otherwise.

@PreciousPri & preety_219 - great analyses, guys!

Preety, thanks for that explanation on the Ganesh-ji murti...I suppose that was the intention here too, the fact that she is so desperate to get Priya married; but it didn't really do what Shipra wanted it to do was to prove her love for Priya.

So sad to hear about your cousin - it is such a disgusting shame that people in India still insist on blaming the woman for such things. It's not in the same context, but I am always reminded of this scene from Dil Bole Hadippa, where Rani is insulted by the guard who tells her that girls cannot play cricket, and a moment later a Devi Maa procession goes past and all the men bow their heads in prayer. And Rani tells them what a strange dichotomy this is - one the one hand, you revere the Goddess and on the other, you insult the human manifestations of her. The rest of the movie was meh, but this scene stood out for me 😆 There is exactly this hypocrisy in many places in India where people are fearful of and reverent towards the Goddess but in their actual lives they daily insult, blame, humiliate and belittle women, considering themselves superior. I hope your cousin finds happiness and strength in herself, in whatever way that might be, marriage or no marriage, 😳

By the way, all - have been trying to "like" all your posts but for some reason the like button is giving me trouble. Rest assured, I have ghost-liked all your posts 😆


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