Hypothetical ! - Page 2

Going by the principles of Vikramaditya stories, Panchatantra tales, & similar stuff that Indian culture is rich with, I would say that Simran would choose Aastha (Gudiya), not because of guilt or anything but becasue she is a motherless waif(!) and Abhi has demonstrated his true colors time & again. So Aastha really has no one to depend on.

Originally posted by: vazz

her prayaschit for not bringing Astha properly 😆😆😆

Absolutely !!😆 For not slapping Astha enough times and teaching her some manners and good behaviour !!!

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Glad to read Minnie's post!! I go hand in hand with you. Even though Simran is said to accept her mistakes but she NEVER learns from it and corrects it EVER. That's her habit FOREVER 😆😆😆

hey wawa

i will try to answer your quesions in as much detial as i can - in next couple of days if u don't mind...interesting points u have made - hope i don't forget it was in this thread (and also that i have to do it!) [pls don't hesitate to pm a reminder if u want😉]

cheers

Originally posted by: Aloo_gobi

i wanted to put forward a hypothetical situation, that if simran had to choose between sia and aastha to live with her and she had no choice...who do you think she would choose and why ??

(ps....does anyone know if there are any writers like anand in real life...and if they have any books similar to human relations etc!!??. I am just very intrigued!)

Aloo Gobi

hi aloo gobi.. i think she'd choose astha coz shes grown up infront of simrans eyes.. and she has noone... but sia has her nani .. whom she has been brought up by.. nyway i doubt this situtation will come.. n if it does.. sia will leave nicely n definately wont behave like astha..

regarding the books.. try deepak chopra's books.. like the spontaneous fullfilment of desire

Hi !

Great to see everyones response on this topic...will be eagerly awaiting innocent indians reply to wawa... !

Cheers !

My guess is astha, knowing Simran and insistance for fairness, she certainly will go for her.

Originally posted by: chikoo

We should not forget that simran is super women. 😆

She will choose Astha to show that she really loves Asthu the most. This will please Astha and she will be praised by all for taking such selfless decision. In any case, everyone will again love her and she will live a hopeless life as usual.

"👏hahah sooo true"super woman!!

Originally posted by: chikoo

Maybe Simran should disapear like Abhi for while.

that will be the best 😃😃😃

"oh yah..that will be the best astitva episode ever"😃

😉wawa - here is the reply i said i'd give....hopefully you will be reading it...

Originally posted by: wawahehe

Innocent - I have never said Simran is a bad person. She is good from heart but has made so many gross mistakes that have even led to a person's death.

Simran most definately isn't a bad person, I agree. But she most definately hasn't "made so many gross mistakes ".She made 2 mistakes and this was mentioned here very soon after the leap and before asthu found out "accidentally on purpose" that she was adopted. Those 2 mistakes were that (a) she insisted abhi marries neha and (b) she didn't tell asthu about her adoption when she had the chance, despite so many people telling her. In fact, you may remember, there was a time she did tell her, but unknown to simran, astha had fallen asleep in her lap. Yes, Simran should have then created another opportunity to tell her. Unfortunatley she didn't have the guts to do so.

Originally posted by: wawahehe

I prefer Aastha over Simran because she is just a normal 18 year old

hmmm....as Sid said once.."For astha to be normal is abnormal"....😛...I suppose we can say simran made another mistake in that she spoilt astha so much whilst bringing her up. Sorry, mate, i don't agree astha has been bahiving normally. She is WAY TOO possesive of her people. And one of the reasons she is so antagonistic towards simran is that she now has to share simran with sia as well. This she is not prepared to do. And the other situation that is adding fuel to this fire that is ravaging within her is that now she has to share sia with sid as well. She can't say anything as abhi cleared the way for sid and sia when he introduced them as childhood friends when abhi made his official entry. So he cut astha's tongue with that introduciton.

Originally posted by: wawahehe

who feels that she has been cheated by people around her (that be be right or wrong but since she is a teenager I do not expect her to handle the things with maturity as a 50 year person will do - how many teenagers go through the hell Aastha is going through at this moment?). On the other hand, Simaran is a 55 year old woman who has gone through various ups and downs in her life and I expect her to show some maturity.

ok, this much i have to agree with you on - that she has the right to feel cheated because strictly speaking, she was. The mere fact that all and sundry lied to her would make her feel this way. But then again, if she was just a little bit level headed and calmer, and less spoil as well I suppose (not good of you to have done that simran 😭), then it is not too difficult to understand why they all behaved that way and even see their love for her hidden behind the lies. Really, she should be able to see this. On the other hand, Sia was robbe of all this. Everything astha had, sia should also have had. But she didn't, yet she is dealing with it so much better. Why do you think she is not so bitter? And please be more contructive than to merely say its because she wasn't brought up byt siman.

Originally posted by: wawahehe

She unitentionally became a second woman in Abhi-Neha's life - why the hell she could not understand this without being told by Manas and Neha. It was more surprsing because her own marriage ended due to a second woman in her marital life.

Precisely! Old bean! 👏 The keyword here is UNINTENTIONALLY. You have answered your own query. She admitted she made a mistake. As soon as she realized, she did everything she could to rectify it. She apologised to neha with joined hands (for a prominent famous doctor to do this is just great👏). As soon as she realized, she stopped seeing abhi who was actually her soulmate. If one of them fell ill, then so did the other. Having made the mistake of getting them married, she then did her level best to rectify the siuation-to at least not make it worst. So how does that make her a vamp?

Originally posted by: wawahehe

I do not blame Simran for not telling the truth to Aastha that she was not her real mother - that is a very difficult decision to made by any person and there is no right time for that.

👏 Good - so u understand this. Then what's the whole discussion about? Why do still find it difficult to empathise with her.

Originally posted by: wawahehe

Aastha's initial reaction on getting to know that Simran was not her real mother was very natural - there is no one way of reacting when all of a sudden one does not know his/her own identity. However, where were her senses when she was hidning truth about Radhaji, Abhi and Sia from Aastha. How do you expect Aastha to control her emotions when she is not sure who is on her side ?

OK, the reason facts about radhaji, abhi and sia were hidden from asthu is that this was the time ashta had found out about her adoption. She was already mentally very agitated. Not only that, she had found out that Sid loved Sia, and had try to commit suicide. Any more undesored news such as Sia being her sister could have had a major effect on Asthu, so simran decided to not tell her. However, if Abhi ( the "loser" as you so succinctly put it) had had the understanding to come back from Goa with Simran and Sia, then the whole fiasco could have been avoided (but then the story would have ended and I don't think they wanna miss out on this money spinner - the makers don't and the actors don't as well!).

When everybody lied to Asthu,it wasn't to simply deceive her but in their own way, it was their love for her and they did it to protect her. OK, I agree, the made a right dogs-dinner out of it, but their sentiments were understandable. I know Gandhiji wouldn't agree, and I don't as well for that matter, but we must try to understand their reasoning. They weren't being treacherous you know.

Originally posted by: wawahehe

Her father and grandparents are spineless people especially when it comes to Simran. Sid and Urmila are also big time "Simran Bhakht". Aastha is feeling like a loner which she has never felt in her life before.

Ok, Saurabh I don't like so much. But I do like abhi's parents, esp his Dad. Great man he is. The amount of grief he's had to put up with (and being husband to the MIL's of all MIL's at one time!) He definately isn't spineless. But I think you don't appreciate that all these people have their hands tied because they are worried at astha's volatile reaction to almost everything. Peersonally, I don't blame Sid and Urmila for being Simran bhaktas - she has done a lot for them, but that is another discussion.

Originally posted by: wawahehe

We keep blaming Aastha that she called her Simran a characterless woman - Aren't we all sometimes speak from our heart than from minds especially when there is a lot going on in our lives. Put yourself in Aastha's position and your mother in Simran's position, how will you react if you see your mother in a man's arms not knowing he is your father (especially when you know that for last couple weeks, your mother has been behaving normally ? Aastha always looked upon Simran but she felt so very cheated with her lies that she stopped respecting her personality).

Ok, I can turn a blind-eye to this outburst of Asthu's . But it mustn't go on and on.

Originally posted by: wawahehe

Innocent, you seem to understand Simran so well - can you please tell me why does Simran always start crying in a difficult situation and also at that time, she needs either Saurabh, Shaguna or Rashmi's shoulder ? isn't it very abnormal for a 55 year old extremely successful and award winning doctor ? isn't it abnormal for someone who has been fighting for women's rights, etc. ?

Hmmm. U see, the thing is, when has she cried that much? My memory is terribble so you will have to remind me. I know she cried when her kid was kidnapped. I know she cried when Astha has been mean to her and she can't say anything cos her hands are tied - for reasons mentioned above. I know she cried when she met her daughter she thought was dead. I know she cried when ....hmmm i can't remember other times off-hand. But I cecrtainly don't have a picture of her as crying all the time. I think that as an award winning doctor, she has managed to continue with her life, raising someone else's daughter as her own, looking after her ex-friends son as her own and being a generally good all round egg (😉) ...I think her behavoiur has been very mature in general. So please give examples of her unnecessary-crying-for-attention-and-sympathy and I can give you my views on all that.

Anyway matey, in general, it's not that I'm a simran bhakt (well simran is absolutely gorgeous!!!😆) and maybe i am .... but I don't think she is a vamp for sure. And I'm trying to understand why you do. I'm also not anti-astha (she's also pretty isn't she 😳😆😉) but astha is making a tremendous mistake which needs to be checked....

phewwww - this was lots of work mate - thats why i took so long replying...hard to find time like this you know...

anyway - do come back to me with your constructive critism of the above....even if you do it in your rak avatar...😉...

btw matey, the way that some of you astha bhaktas hate simran - any chance you have been treated in your lives in the same way that astha has perhaps? Or is their a real-life simran that you know that has lied to you so much and got away with it? Is that your reason for being anti-simran? Hope you don't mind me asking cos if it is the case, then perhaps you can post your experiences. After all, we don't know you from adam so it doesn't really matter that much - but please don't make up anything...

Cheers - hope above gets you thinking at the very least wawa....

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