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Posted: 12 years ago
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Yes, I think @red is the best bet as far as explanations for Rathod's unusually high tolerance level for Arjun's behaviour go. That is perhaps also why he stands up for him at the enquiry on the incident with Pathan in front of the court. But this will last only so long, and one wonders how much more overt rudeness and insurbodination he will put up with in the interest of getting cases solved. There will surely come a point where his ego will reassert itself.

I also agree that Rathod is more patient than he would otherwise be because of his consciousness of Arjun's personal tragedy; in the leukamia patient case, he is silenced when Arjun says that he knows what losing a loved one is like, and then he changes his mind and lets Arjun and Chotu enter the bank from the rear (probably one of the few instances when Arjun actually waits for Rathod's ok before doing something).

But as you have noted, this tolerance and patience are beginning to fray at the edges, and yesterday, Rathod remarks caustically about Arjun's pahelis, and the growing irritation makes him snap at Chotu for the first time ever in the series. Rathod never did that before, even when Riya was trotting out some vague statistic of nil relevance in the exchange murders case, or yesterday, when Shree was whistling loudly when working, something which most bosses would not like.

Arjun should be toned down quite a bit, but the fact is that he is becoming more and more abrasive and authoritative over the last 2 weekends. For example, not only does he fire orders at Chotu and Shree, sidelining Rathod completely, but he also adds that they should report back to himself, and not to 'us', i.e. himself and Rathore. So much for teamwork.

I felt that there was some build up for Rathore last weekend, but that seems to have been just a flash in the pan. Why don't they just make Arjun the ETF chief and have done with this charade? Alternatively, he could be shown falling flat on his face once in a way, which would also make him seem more human. As it is, his face is like a rigid mask, deliberately devoid of any emotion, practically all the time, the sole exceptions being in the flashbacks with Roshni, where his smile is so sweet as to be shocking.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: sbp1971


His guilt aside I agree that it is unexcusable the way he behaves with Rathore who is his superior, and the way he behaves with Rathore is not tolerated in any profession not just police and I am not sure why or how about it.
Anyway at first I wondered why Rathore is tolerating this, especially since I noticed that his expression of late tells their own story, yet he stays quiet. In the beginning he was quick to act on his authority when it came to Arjun but no lately. It could be because maybe because they have a past and also because Rathore understands the reason for Arjun's anger.
Also may be at this point he is only looking at the end result and that is to catch the criminal and bring justice to the victims. Rathore said in yesterday's episode that more than racing he loves his duty as police officer so may be this his reason for staying quiet, but tha's not to say that he won't break at some point and not put Arjun in his place.
In the end though it's up to the CVs on how they want to do this and for now they are going by the whole meaning behind the name Arjun, the title of the show.
I hope that they do mellow Arjun down a bit in the future and not carry this until the end of the show.



Originally posted by: sashashyam

A very sensitive and perceptive observation and analysis. Yes, he is badly damaged, and as Ian Fleming (of all people) once wrote, he is like a bird with a broken wing.

In the chess episode too, this escalating sense of guilt is what makes him all the more determined to punish Sandhya' s killer, and he says as much: She told me all this would happen and yet I was not able to do anything for her. He blames himself needlessly, for Sandhya is murdered the same night after her conversation with Arjun, and how could he have done anything about it? The same with Riya, who should never have let herself be taken prisoner so easily, especially when she is a martial arts expert. And yet Arjun blames himself. So it is no wonder he is getting more and more frustrated and angry, above all with himself, and he has no one who cares enough to try to take him out of himself.

This said, I think the way he behaves with Rathod would NEVER be tolerated in any police service. After the armed forces, the police is the most hierarchical and insists on obedience to superior officers, which is necessary for maintaining discipline in such a demanding profession. Any boss in Rathore's place would have put his foot down. But these days Rathore hardly seems to react to Arjun's childish and inane Samjhe ya samjhaaon? This particular tick of his is by now long past its expiry date, but since the CVs are not too hot in the imagination department, I suppose we will have to put up with this smart aleck mannerism till the end of the series.

Shyamala B.Cowsik


Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam



But as you have noted, this tolerance and patience are beginning to fray at the edges, and yesterday, Rathod remarks caustically about Arjun's pahelis, and the growing irritation makes him snap at Chotu for the first time ever in the series. Rathod never did that before, even when Riya was trotting out some vague statistic of nil relevance in the exchange murders case, or yesterday, when Shree was whistling loudly when working, something which most bosses would not like.

Arjun should be toned down quite a bit, but the fact is that he is becoming more and more abrasive and authoritative over the last 2 weekends. For example, not only does he fire orders at Chotu and Shree, sidelining Rathod completely, but he also adds that they should report back to himself, and not to 'us', i.e. himself and Rathore. So much for teamwork.

I felt that there was some build up for Rathore last weekend, but that seems to have been just a flash in the pan. Why don't they just make Arjun the ETF chief and have done with this charade? Alternatively, he could be shown falling flat on his face once in a way, which would also make him seem more human. As it is, his face is like a rigid mask, deliberately devoid of any emotion, practically all the time, the sole exceptions being in the flashbacks with Roshni, where his smile is so sweet as to be shocking.

Shyamala B.Cowsik


well i think that arjun cannot be made the chief. i am not saying he is not a good cop or he is bad at managing a team. lol that guy can manage everything in any circumstances except his own anger at certain things. he is a cop who is better when he works by himself. that can be seen in many cases. esp the first case. he is not the group work kinda guy. he can work as a team with someone but he is better when he is by himself. arjun crosses a line many times in so many cases and rathore is usually the one who tries to stop him from doing so. i agree that rathore is the chief and he should be a behaving in an appropriate manner but considering the character of arjun in this series, i would not expect that from arjun. where is the fun in that? i mean if arjun starts behaving all proper and nice with everyone, how will the viewers enjoy the fireworks between both of them? making him fall flat on his face by being wrong can also cost lives of his team members coz as you can see they rely heavily on his wits. even if he gets something wrong, that is not going to help him become softer. its not his ego that is an issue, its his anger at everything. remember? that can happen only if he get a best friend or fall in love again.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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That bit about making Arjun the ETF chief was not serious; it was just an expression of my exasperation. And there is not much of fireworks between them to enjoy these days, for Rathod seems to have gone almost passive. This apart, this kind of behaviour by a No.2 defies all credibility in any organisation, and especially in the police. Of course the CVs do not care too much about credibility, so this might not bother them, but it irritates me. Arjun does not have to be
all proper and nice, you know, he just has to be correct in his behaviour.

Plus, he can go wrong in his analysis and conclusions without endangering the lives of any of his colleagues in the ETF. It is only in a few cases, as in the one about Kalki Desai and the Russian Roulette case of Vidyut Satham, that Arjun's deductions actually save a team member's life, in both these cases, Rathod's. This does not apply when he saves Riya in that bank van robbery case, with those unbelievable slo mo acrobatics and ambidextrous shooting with the usual 100% hit rate.

So he can be shown as going wrong, and perhaps Rathod as trumping him, once in a way, without doing anyone any harm. It might not make him more pleasant, but it will surely dent his arrogance a bit, which would be all to the good, for him, for Rathod, and for viewers like me!

Shyamala B.Cowsik


Originally posted by: john909


well i think that arjun cannot be made the chief. i am not saying he is not a good cop or he is bad at managing a team. lol that guy can manage everything in any circumstances except his own anger at certain things. he is a cop who is better when he works by himself. that can be seen in many cases. esp the first case. he is not the group work kinda guy. he can work as a team with someone but he is better when he is by himself. arjun crosses a line many times in so many cases and rathore is usually the one who tries to stop him from doing so.

i agree that rathore is the chief and he should be a behaving in an appropriate manner but considering the character of arjun in this series, i would not expect that from arjun. where is the fun in that? i mean if arjun starts behaving all proper and nice with everyone, how will the viewers enjoy the fireworks between both of them?

making him fall flat on his face by being wrong can also cost lives of his team members coz as you can see they rely heavily on his wits. even if he gets something wrong, that is not going to help him become softer. its not his ego that is an issue, its his anger at everything. remember? that can happen only if he get a best friend or fall in love again.




Originally posted by: sashashyam



But as you have noted, this tolerance and patience are beginning to fray at the edges, and yesterday, Rathod remarks caustically about Arjun's pahelis, and the growing irritation makes him snap at Chotu for the first time ever in the series. Rathod never did that before, even when Riya was trotting out some vague statistic of nil relevance in the exchange murders case, or yesterday, when Shree was whistling loudly when working, something which most bosses would not like.

Arjun should be toned down quite a bit, but the fact is that he is becoming more and more abrasive and authoritative over the last 2 weekends. For example, not only does he fire orders at Chotu and Shree, sidelining Rathod completely, but he also adds that they should report back to himself, and not to 'us', i.e. himself and Rathore. So much for teamwork.

I felt that there was some build up for Rathore last weekend, but that seems to have been just a flash in the pan. Why don't they just make Arjun the ETF chief and have done with this charade? Alternatively, he could be shown falling flat on his face once in a way, which would also make him seem more human. As it is, his face is like a rigid mask, deliberately devoid of any emotion, practically all the time, the sole exceptions being in the flashbacks with Roshni, where his smile is so sweet as to be shocking.

Shyamala B.Cowsik



Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Yes, I think @red is the best bet as far as explanations for Rathod's unusually high tolerance level for Arjun's behaviour go. That is perhaps also why he stands up for him at the enquiry on the incident with Pathan in front of the court. But this will last only so long, and one wonders how much more overt rudeness and insurbodination he will put up with in the interest of getting cases solved. There will surely come a point where his ego will reassert itself.

I also agree that Rathod is more patient than he would otherwise be because of his consciousness of Arjun's personal tragedy; in the leukamia patient case, he is silenced when Arjun says that he knows what losing a loved one is like, and then he changes his mind and lets Arjun and Chotu enter the bank from the rear (probably one of the few instances when Arjun actually waits for Rathod's ok before doing something).

But as you have noted, this tolerance and patience are beginning to fray at the edges, and yesterday, Rathod remarks caustically about Arjun's pahelis, and the growing irritation makes him snap at Chotu for the first time ever in the series. Rathod never did that before, even when Riya was trotting out some vague statistic of nil relevance in the exchange murders case, or yesterday, when Shree was whistling loudly when working, something which most bosses would not like.

Arjun should be toned down quite a bit, but the fact is that he is becoming more and more abrasive and authoritative over the last 2 weekends. For example, not only does he fire orders at Chotu and Shree, sidelining Rathod completely, but he also adds that they should report back to himself, and not to 'us', i.e. himself and Rathore. So much for teamwork.

I felt that there was some build up for Rathore last weekend, but that seems to have been just a flash in the pan. Why don't they just make Arjun the ETF chief and have done with this charade? Alternatively, he could be shown falling flat on his face once in a way, which would also make him seem more human. As it is, his face is like a rigid mask, deliberately devoid of any emotion, practically all the time, the sole exceptions being in the flashbacks with Roshni, where his smile is so sweet as to be shocking.

Shyamala B.Cowsik








Agree with you completely, I love his character but he is shown larger than life little too much. Perhaps today's episode was to show us that even great Arjun Raute could miss clues, like the inspector said at the end, he should have figured out that the guy posing as inspector was the real Austin, plus the real inspector was doing his best to try to signal him but Arjun missed all that too.

I hope things get back on track and like you said show Arjun failing to prove his little theories once in a while, it would show that he is not perfect.

Even the original Arjun of Mahabarat was not as perfect as this Arjun, CVs should realize this.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam


Agree with you completely, I love his character but he is shown larger than life little too much. Perhaps today's episode was to show us that even great Arjun Raute could miss clues, like the inspector said at the end, he should have figured out that the guy posing as inspector was the real Austin, plus the real inspector was doing his best to try to signal him but Arjun missed all that too.

I hope things get back on track and like you said show Arjun failing to prove his little theories once in a while, it would show that he is not perfect.

Even the original Arjun of Mahabarat was not as perfect as this Arjun, CVs should realize this.


ya, he is kinda larger than life. ya today's episode shows he is not that perfect. as i said making him completely fail at something is not gonna help tone down his character at all. this epi was a good one. it didnt destroy the character that i love so much but it still made it more believable. the inspector at the end was actually praising arjun and his reputation rather than pointing out anything. i dont have much issue when it comes to showing a normal guy as larger than life character because these days they do that all the time, even in movies (look at sallu's movies) and this show has been saying since beginning that ajrun is a super cop but a line has to be drawn somewhere.
so far mahabharat's arjun is concerned, his list of imperfections is longer than this arjun's list.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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ya, he is kinda larger than life. ya today's episode shows he is not that perfect. as i said making him completely fail at something is not gonna help tone down his character at all. this epi was a good one. it didnt destroy the character that i love so much but it still made it more believable. the inspector at the end was actually praising arjun and his reputation rather than pointing out anything. i dont have much issue when it comes to showing a normal guy as larger than life character because these days they do that all the time, even in movies (look at sallu's movies) and this show has been saying since beginning that ajrun is a super cop but a line has to be drawn somewhere.
so far mahabharat's arjun is concerned, his list of imperfections is longer than this arjun's list.





Just in case if you are misunderstanding my POV, let me just say that I love Arjun, and I even understand that he is angry and feeling guilty and all that, but the truth is he belongs to ETF and I think the whole team should work together, I also feel that he should tone it down a bit when talking to Rathore, and at least give the respect due to Rathore as chief of ETF.

As I said, it may have something to do with their past but that is a personal issue, and in professional life, whether he likes it or not Rathore is his boss.


The show is based on the character Arjun, I know this and he should have all the abilities that ACP Arjun have, but for him to disregard everything else does not sit well with me.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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You have put it in a nutshell in @ red, leaving nothing unsaid. Now that Arjun has agreed to be part of the ETF, for whatever reason of his own, he should be a team player and should conform to the team discipline. The way things are, what sort of example is he setting for the youngsters?

I have felt, and written earlier, that the CVs seem to be patterning Arjun after Sherlock Holmes, with the same brilliance in deduction, the same arrogance of intelligence, the same contemptuous impatience with lesser minds, the same abruptness and lack of social skills. He is thus fascinating for the same reasons as the greatest fictional detective of them all.

But then Holmes was never part of any team, nor was he a policeman. Arjun is both, and so some fine tuning seems called for to smoothen out his rough edges.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: sbp1971


Just in case if you are misunderstanding my POV, let me just say that I love Arjun, and I even understand that he is angry and feeling guilty and all that, but the truth is he belongs to ETF and I think the whole team should work together, I also feel that he should tone it down a bit when talking to Rathore, and at least give the respect due to Rathore as chief of ETF.

As I said, it may have something to do with their past but that is a personal issue, and in professional life, whether he likes it or not Rathore is his boss.


The show is based on the character Arjun, I know this and he should have all the abilities that ACP Arjun have, but for him to disregard everything else does not sit well with me.


Originally posted by: john909


ya, he is kinda larger than life. ya today's episode shows he is not that perfect. as i said making him completely fail at something is not gonna help tone down his character at all. this epi was a good one. it didnt destroy the character that i love so much but it still made it more believable. the inspector at the end was actually praising arjun and his reputation rather than pointing out anything. i dont have much issue when it comes to showing a normal guy as larger than life character because these days they do that all the time, even in movies (look at sallu's movies) and this show has been saying since beginning that ajrun is a super cop but a line has to be drawn somewhere.
so far mahabharat's arjun is concerned, his list of imperfections is longer than this arjun's list.



Originally posted by: sashashyam


Agree with you completely, I love his character but he is shown larger than life little too much. Perhaps today's episode was to show us that even great Arjun Raute could miss clues, like the inspector said at the end, he should have figured out that the guy posing as inspector was the real Austin, plus the real inspector was doing his best to try to signal him but Arjun missed all that too.

I hope things get back on track and like you said show Arjun failing to prove his little theories once in a while, it would show that he is not perfect.

Even the original Arjun of Mahabarat was not as perfect as this Arjun, CVs should realize this.






Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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hy arj ki chain aaj kal nahi dikh rahi hai koi dund ke la do use , bahut achi aur kimti chain thi becare ki, wo criminal ke piche itna busy rahta hai ki dund hi nahi paya hoga
hahahaha
Edited by piyaliswami88 - 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: piyaliswami88

hy arj ki chain aaj kal nahi dikh rahi hai koi dund ke la do use , bahut achi aur kimti chain thi becare ki, wo criminal ke piche itna busy rahta hai ki dund hi nahi paya hoga
hahahaha

tension matle yr,arjun aur sikandar ka track aane wala hai,waha br br uski chai dikhayenge😉

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