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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Laila2009

Seriously people; it is about time we are not afraid to see a character raped, getting justice and for the world to learn that rape happens in India and the struggles of the victim and the rights she deserves are shown. It should be done not for the TRP ratings but to inspire and support all those silent victims for whom justice is never shown. These women should not longer be shunned or viewed as shameful. It would be revoluationary to have show a woman put her life back together and find someone who would love her even though she had been raped. Unfortunately, the public is not ready and the CVs are too lazy and afraid to take the challenge.

Perhaps one day someone will take the bold step and show the real truth and lift the veil of shame and silence these women have to endure.

Many of Ekta shows have already introduced the rape issue & the female getting justice in the end. For instance in Kasauti zindagi ki & Kahani ghar ghar ki had a track in between regarding the plight of a rape victim & how she struggles to get justice. Plus there was anil kappoor movie about 10 years back wherein aishwarya played a rape victim.
Yes, I know of the movie with Ash and Anil, but we're talking about television shows NOT films as films have tried to challenge the issue in part because they are marketed in the west and the audiences are unwilling to accept the typical tripe that is fed. Plus they are subject to reviews by US and UK critics and they are not as gentle as those in India. Interesting, so Ekta Kapoor has been willing to have her victims seek justice and didn't marry the victim of to rapist? How did that fair with the public?
Actually all shows come up with a rape issue & many show that the victim marries her rapist, for example in pavitra rishta we saw vandu marrying her rapist, this is even more disgusting. So there isnt anything new. A rape would have totally spoiled the storyline of 12/24 KB.
So ShreyaCool, in actuality, shows are unwilling to bring the issue of rape forward because they do as you write, marry the victim of to her rapist despite the efforts made by Ekta in her other shows? I wonder why? All for TRP ratings?
Contrary to your opinion what I feel is if incase mili was raped then the show would have send out the wrong message that girls should keep their mouths shut or face the consequences.
I don't know though how a rape would have spoiled the storyline of KB unless it was poorly handled I don't see how it would have sent out the wrong message that girls should not speak out - sure Mili was not smart when she confronted Nakul as even in the art of self defense - Karate, Kung Fu, Tae Kwon Do - you do NOT put herself in danger, and tragically Mili did put herself in dangerous situation. HOWEVER, she would NEVER have pictured Nakul as a rapist as did we all so her decision was not altogther flawed. And even by putting herself in that situation, she would NOT been at fault if she had been raped either.
It would have proved that rape is a weapon for the man to take his revenge on a girl.
But rape IS a weapon that men use to take revenage on a girl!!!
Infact mili by saving herself has portrayed herself as a strong & self-reliant women who can fight & protect herself.
Many rape victims have also fought hard but have not been successful and not because they were not willing to fight harder. In reality, despite the fact Mili fought, someone of Nakul's size and sature would have been able to rape Mili but the show didn't show it that way and sent a very false protrayal.
Mili is the only strong & stable character in the serial from the very beginning, she's never scared of fighting against any injustice, & if her rape was shown it would have portrayed her as a weak woman. Infact by saving herself she has kind of shattered the belief that women are weak against men. A person like mili is infact an inspiration to all women!
Women who are raped are NOT weak women. Many who fight against the injustices through the police system and the judicial system, society etc are VERY strong women. Don't undermine their strength. If it was not for many of these women some of the laws that exist today to protect women would not be here. These women are VERY strong women because they have not made the decision to end their lives. You are insulting them by calling them weak women.
Sure it was good to see Mili fight and succeed against her attempted rapist I am very supportive of this notion but I would never insult those victims who fought and would not have succeed. Had Mili been raped, she would NEVER have let someone like Nakul get away with it.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shreyacool

Many of Ekta shows have already introduced the rape issue & the female getting justice in the end. For instance in Kasauti zindagi ki & Kahani ghar ghar ki had a track in between regarding the plight of a rape victim & how she struggles to get justice. Plus there was anil kappoor movie about 10 years back wherein aishwarya played a rape victim. Actually all shows come up with a rape issue & many show that the victim marries her rapist, for example in pavitra rishta we saw vandu marrying her rapist, this is even more disgusting. So there isnt anything new. A rape would have totally spoiled the storyline of 12/24 KB.
Contrary to your opinion what I feel is if incase mili was raped then the show would have send out the wrong message that girls should keep their mouths shut or face the consequences. It would have proved that rape is a weapon for the man to take his revenge on a girl. Infact mili by saving herself has portrayed herself as a strong & self-reliant women who can fight & protect herself. Mili is the only strong & stable character in the serial from the very beginning, she's never scared of fighting against any injustice, & if her rape was shown it would have portrayed her as a weak woman. Infact by saving herself she has kind of shattered the belief that women are weak against men. A person like mili is infact an inspiration to all women!



Milli is also the one who had the attack of insanity **in the Thursday's
episode..She opened the doors in the dark and a secluded home of a man (after knowing the fact mind you) who was planning on killing her sister and his own brother...Without any planning or back up forces she came in yelling at a man who had been drinking ...revealing all to him his dirty doing to him and then calling her brother-in-law to deliver this tidbit to him.... over the phone...."BRAVO" Milli Sethi I don't think so?? What was she thinking he will do to her,,,,,ask for forgiveness* or perhaps ask for absolution* or impunity* or ask for charity.....And in the matter of physical attributes & facets if women are weak or strong is beside the point..Milli should have used her strength*,acumen* and intelligence* in this one incident and just left the place or at least call Abhi again who did say to her to call him in case she can't find any solution to her*problem...and gone home .She could have then regrouped with Neety/Omi and SimBhi and planned their next move against Nakul Singh Daggar...BTW why didn't she call Neetu or Omi before she headed their way as an uninvited guest in The South Of Delhi.....from the North of Delhi......😍

Edited by SaNiCo - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shreyacool

Contrary to your opinion what I feel is if incase mili was raped then the show would have send out the wrong message that girls should keep their mouths shut or face the consequences. It would have proved that rape is a weapon for the man to take his revenge on a girl. Infact mili by saving herself has portrayed herself as a strong & self-reliant women who can fight & protect herself. Mili is the only strong & stable character in the serial from the very beginning, she's never scared of fighting against any injustice, & if her rape was shown it would have portrayed her as a weak woman. Infact by saving herself she has kind of shattered the belief that women are weak against men. A person like mili is infact an inspiration to all women!

That wrong message was already sent with the attempt to rape - whether the rape was actually completed or not is immaterial. The only way to negate this wrong message and send the right message would be to have the victim of the rape or attemted rape (both are equally heinous in their intent, the victim just got lucky in the latter) bring the rapist or would-be rapist to justice by going to the police and shaming him in society. There is no cause for the victim to feel any shame herself, so why hide the matter? The courage of the victim is not just shown by fighting back physically as Mili did (not all girls get lucky and find an axe, some might even be raped at gunpoint) - courage is also shown by exposing the rapist and refusing to be shamed by the rape. In fact, the police advice that just like in other crimes such as mugging, where there is a high risk of being murdered if you resist, you should not.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I want to see romance on KB, not rape. Mili should have called the cops and not Abhi. This storyline has been completely bungled. Oh well, in a few weeks we'll witness Mili getting married and Naku stopping the wedding. Avenging his insult as he said. KB continues to go downhill more everyday. Someday, someone will have the cahoona's to deal with rape on a serial but for now we will be treated to a cover up so to speak. Just my 2 cents.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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She took a risk!!!
She saved herself otherwise Nakul had hold of her easily!!!

We need to remember that the CV's will just hype the situation and then get away with it
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Posted: 15 years ago
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i agree wid every word of urs laila..whether it was a rape or attempted rape is immaterial..what matters is how the issue is dealt wid LATER..whether sensitively or in a botched up manner wherein the worst scenario is the creatives' favourite..get her married off to the rapist..which is not only heinous bt frankly stupid..the anil kapoor movie being discussed had an interesting dialogue..tht if marriage is the solution to this,then every rapist wud be roaming arnd wid manglasutras in his pocket,tying one arnd every girl he rapes and molests..and nowadays in so many shows we have similar scenarios..sumwhere the girl marries the wud be rapist and just makes his work easier,sumwher the "hero" attempts rape and is justifyed by saying the woman was trying his patience,sumwher a thakur is applauded for NOT raping the girl,saying,see how much he loves her...
shows the level to which our audiences have reached in romanticizing these crimes..
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: anu rulz

i agree wid every word of urs laila..whether it was a rape or attempted rape is immaterial..what matters is how the issue is dealt wid LATER..whether sensitively or in a botched up manner wherein the worst scenario is the creatives' favourite..get her married off to the rapist..which is not only heinous bt frankly stupid..the anil kapoor movie being discussed had an interesting dialogue..tht if marriage is the solution to this,then every rapist wud be roaming arnd wid manglasutras in his pocket,tying one arnd every girl he rapes and molests..and nowadays in so many shows we have similar scenarios..sumwhere the girl marries the wud be rapist and just makes his work easier,sumwher the "hero" attempts rape and is justifyed by saying the woman was trying his patience,sumwher a thakur is applauded for NOT raping the girl,saying,see how much he loves her...

shows the level to which our audiences have reached in romanticizing these crimes..


here Milli is trying to get justice for what is happening to her and even if it was attempeted now if she goes to media or the police nakul's political carrier will be down the drain !!!

I just hope Vishaal is like Abhi a true guy to knows what is right
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Contrary to your opinion what I feel is if incase mili was raped then the show would have send out the wrong message that girls should keep their mouths shut or face the consequences.
I don't know though how a rape would have spoiled the storyline of KB unless it was poorly handled I don't see how it would have sent out the wrong message that girls should not speak out - sure Mili was not smart when she confronted Nakul as even in the art of self defense - Karate, Kung Fu, Tae Kwon Do - you do NOT put herself in danger, and tragically Mili did put herself in dangerous situation. HOWEVER, she would NEVER have pictured Nakul as a rapist as did we all so her decision was not altogther flawed. And even by putting herself in that situation, she would NOT been at fault if she had been raped either.
It would have proved that rape is a weapon for the man to take his revenge on a girl.
But rape IS a weapon that men use to take revenage on a girl!!!
Infact mili by saving herself has portrayed herself as a strong & self-reliant women who can fight & protect herself.
Many rape victims have also fought hard but have not been successful and not because they were not willing to fight harder. In reality, despite the fact Mili fought, someone of Nakul's size and sature would have been able to rape Mili but the show didn't show it that way and sent a very false protrayal.
Mili is the only strong & stable character in the serial from the very beginning, she's never scared of fighting against any injustice, & if her rape was shown it would have portrayed her as a weak woman. Infact by saving herself she has kind of shattered the belief that women are weak against men. A person like mili is infact an inspiration to all women!
Women who are raped are NOT weak women. Many who fight against the injustices through the police system and the judicial system, society etc are VERY strong women. Don't undermine their strength. If it was not for many of these women some of the laws that exist today to protect women would not be here. These women are VERY strong women because they have not made the decision to end their lives. You are insulting them by calling them weak women.
Sure it was good to see Mili fight and succeed against her attempted rapist I am very supportive of this notion but I would never insult those victims who fought and would not have succeed. Had Mili been raped, she would NEVER have let someone like Nakul get away with it.
I am not interested in arguing, but I am sad & really surprised that u being a girl can think in such a way.
So from all the things you have mentioned I conclude that according to you when a girl is being raped she should give up & not defend herself but wait for the police & court to give her a justice after her rape! right? according to you what mili did was wrong, she shouldnt have defended herself, she should have allowed nakul to rape her & then later sue him & fight against the political system , challenge the judicial system & all that.
And god knows from where you concluded that "insult to victims who fought", when in my post I didnt mention anything about the victims but only about milis courage! And by "weakness", I meant women are considered physically weaker then men, so cannot defend & mili proved the notion wrong by defending herself.
Edited by Shreyacool - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Shreyacool, I think you have completely missed the point of this thread. No one is contesting the fact that Mili was brave to try and resist Nakul, but you have to also agree she was lucky he did not have a gun or a knife and she conveniently found an axe - would her bare arm have done? How many women get that lucky? What if Nakul had tried to rape her at gunpoint - in your opinion should she try to fight him and risk being shot, or give in to save her life? I am pretty sure you do not support those females who put their honour above their lives - you know, the same kind that commit suicide when raped.
Fact is, Mili just got lucky. Many women are not so lucky, though most resist in whatever way they can. So, to overstate Mili's courage and dismiss those women who do not fight back is insulting all these victims. I had posted the below thought in another thread:
The courage of the victim is not just shown by fighting back physically, courage is also shown by exposing the rapist and refusing to be shamed by the rape. If a woman fights back and overpowers her rapist, she will have saved only herself on that day. But if women speak up against rape, refuse to accept it silently, and expose rapists in public - that will save many many women now and in future.
Simi did not do this and now Mili has not done it, both for the selfish sake of their family's happiness, so lets hold off the praises for now?
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Posted: 15 years ago
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I am not interested in arguing, but I am sad & really surprised that u being a girl can think in such a way.
Think in what way?
So from all the things you have mentioned I conclude that according to you when a girl is being raped she should give up & not defend herself but wait for the police & court to give her a justice after her rape! right? according to you what mili did was wrong, she shouldnt have defended herself, she should have allowed nakul to rape her & then later sue him & fight against the political system , challenge the judicial system & all that.
No where did I saw that a girl should not defend herself when someone tries to reap her. Never did I say either what Mili did was wrong in attempting to defend herself.
And god knows from where you concluded that "insult to victims who fought", when in my post I didnt mention anything about the victims but only about milis courage! And by "weakness", I meant women are considered physically weaker then men, so cannot defend & mili proved the notion wrong by defending herself.
If this is not what you're implying; re-read your post and you will see. You might wish to clarify yourself when you use terms like "weakness." You should pay attention to Bana's post. The fact is that Mili was LUCKY when she fought back. It is nothing other than that. In real life a girl of Mili's stature, regardless of how much she fought could have been raped by someone of Nakul's size and strength.
Real strength comes from exposing the culprit and speaking out against it and only when you work with rape victims wiil you learn the meaning of what I am writing.
Edited by Laila2009 - 15 years ago

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