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Ganga

@Avatarana09

Dazzler

Posted: 15 years ago

#11

I understand the meaning of consenting adult in terms of willing to have a relationship. Most people in love will be willing but they refrain from fear of an unwanted pregnancy

That is what i want to say if Neetu has gone ahead in terms of her willingness for a relationship with Vicky without much thinking about the consequences, she better decide for herself what needs to be done.

I only disliked her decision to marry Omi for the sake of ruining her sister's life who she held responsible for the turn of events following her"mistake"

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Dhabu89

@Dhabu89

Rocker

Posted: 15 years ago

#12

On your discussion with Lailla you had written the following statement regarding Milli....I am going to copy and paste....

My favorite is this character and so far true to her formed opinions.... Milli from the get go is shown to help Abhi let it be locking them in the classroom , or for the look out on the lohiri incident , boycotting the wedding in protest ,,, again helping her papaji to look for them and to bring them home against Manju ji's wishes,, to let simi realize her mistake and for her to go and pacify Abhi when wrongly called betcha,
or when playing cupid and sending them for an outing to be together,,, and my favorite the recent one during the CHOWKI to very sneakily let them be together with the help od Anuj and to show her love through and thorough for the both of them for making up to each other.... Now with the story and the track for the RAPE coming and yes it is on its way folks who better for Millie but ABHI to be her confidant and friend from her point of view .. If Abhi could be that savior for her not to be suicidal (after Manju is done giving her two cents,,,which she will ) than I say more power to their friendship and may be Millie will develop feelings for Abhi but didn't everyone else on this forum.... Why should Milli be any different... But for the record she will not act upon them or for that Abhi either because both these characters are written such a way they are strong and logical thinkers,and both are very perceptive...

For the highlighted part in red are you trying to say that Abhi may also develope feelings for Milli? Because if that is the case then this show has completely done a 180 on each and every character.....I really don't want to see that......With the track going in the direction we didn't want is bad enough but to do this to Abhi's character and ruin THE ONLY decent and upstanding person on the show is below the level of stupidity on the part of the Creatives😡

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nirmala

@sayhi2nimi

Inactive

Posted: 15 years ago

#13

hi guys i went through all the post here y do u guys feel it was wrong to simi making dicisions on behalf of neetu
,as we all know indian society, according to my knowlegde i think simi frist spoke to vicky if he is willing to marry her,
vicky if he loved neetu that much then y the hell he did not come forward accepted her, rather than the anger he
showed ih hospital he would have came and spoke to her parents,that i am willing to marry ur daughter,he did not do that
,and i have seen some episode that neetu tells simi u could have said vicky also bring shagun na,y vicky could have taken this diceision himself na.
at that stage simi as any elder sister taking dicisions on behalf of her is not wrong.i could not understand one thing RS is a very broadminded
person they could have spoken to him .if mom and dad both r not so understanding its a very a big deal but ,y manju ji at this stage justifying neetu
before omi ,"woh jalli hai beta" she could have done this before also na,the hiding part every body is equally responsible abhi also.
every body was selfish,what ever nakul said at mata ki chowki is 101% true to everybody's knowlege. but except about milli.

Edited by nimi2b4u - 15 years ago

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ReadLo

@ReadLo

Rocker

+ 3

Posted: 15 years ago

#14

Nice analysis but I must say that I'm the charm of the series and I get to do any more objectivity.
So I'll wait and see what actually happens

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Jenila

@Jenila

Voyager

Posted: 15 years ago

#15

Sanico, aap danya aur mahan ho,

Great work, I liked all your comments.

I think i was wrong for the take of Neetu, You have covered all the areas, and explained to me beautifully, 110% agree with you dear, thank you so much for making me understand.

Appreciate your time & efforts.

Plz give your views on Simi too, Love to read your thoughts.

Edited by Somini - 15 years ago

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461075

Suspended

Posted: 15 years ago

#16

SaNiCo -

Based on our discussions, here's my input ...

I wonder what all these self-anointed sanctimonious purveyors of 'morality' would have to say about (i) situations so extolled (or tolerated) in their own mythologies ... one that comes to mind is Kunti who bore her son Karan out of wedlock and then abandoned him (to think that he was purportedly born with a full set of armor, thanks to his papa the 'Sun God' - laughable or what?!) ... lemme see, did she spend the rest of her life ostracized by 'society'? Uh ... not exactly ... went on to have 5 additional lusty sons!!; (ii) even today, the vast majority of children born in Iceland are not only 'illegitimate', but there is no stigma associated with that ... which means, that either 'god' has condoned some very strange behavior for part of humanity, or some part of humanity got his/her/its message all mucked up i.e. there is no unambiguous definition of 'sin' ... for a 'sinful' society, the Icelanders sure have a higher standard of living than the 'morally superior' Indian society ... maybe India should emulate that model a tad more closely ... divest oneself of the meaningless ...

I'm also amused no end to read about insanity being the cause behind blind/non-prophylactic sex ... how does one evaulate this condition: 'lost in one's senses'??!! What senses??!! How is one 'lost'?!! Sex is a biological drive and the absolute natural consequence of physical attraction ... not many sit and rationalize before the act (they should at least to the extent of using a contraceptive) ... I've said this before: sure glad that our ancestors way back a 100,000 years ago (the origins of homo sapiens sapiens) were 'sinful' ... we none of us would be here today, since 'marriage' was almost certainly not known back then ... the fact that a pregnancy resulted from the union on KB (hardly an 'affair') is not unknown ... I disagree with you that the idea of an abortion was forced on Neetu ... nothing of the sort ... firstly, it was the judicious thing to do given the circumstances i.e. a father unwilling to shoulder his responsibility and a mother financially incapable of raising a child solo (there is no objective evidence that shows abortion to be 'sinful' ... the nutty Christian right of this country or the equally nutty in other parts of the globe notwithstanding); secondly, it was an older sister attempting to spare here parents undue heartache ...

'Morality' is an extremely complex issue ... insofar as I am concerned, most peoples/traditions outside of this part of the world, have not a clue of what it entails ... there are no philosophical discussions of this aspect outside of the developed world ... certainly not ones germane to the 21st century or those that transcend some very arcane, anachronistic views ... social blinders are very deeply entrenched in societies such as India, and thinking outside the box is unheard of ... only recently I had a high-school girlfirend state in no uncertain terms that any and every conceivable question had an answer that could be found in her scripture ... I asked if answers to NP-Hard problems (this is a class of mathematical problems to which solutions are presently unachievable) could be found ... I'm not sure she got the point ... she's still spouting nonsense of the same kind ... understanding the actual state of the universe is non-trivial ... no one on IF has impressed me with having a requisite degree of factual knowledge ... pontificating, on the other hand, is to be had by the bushel 😕

Catch you on FB tomorrow? 😊

Edited by SValeCalGal - 15 years ago

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SaNiCo

@pageant101

Voyager

Posted: 15 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: SimBhi2
On your discussion with Lailla you had written the following statement regarding Milli....I am going to copy and paste....

My favorite is this character and so far true to her formed opinions.... Milli from the get go is shown to help Abhi let it be locking them in the classroom , or for the look out on the lohiri incident , boycotting the wedding in protest ,,, again helping her papaji to look for them and to bring them home against Manju ji's wishes,, to let simi realize her mistake and for her to go and pacify Abhi when wrongly called betcha,
or when playing cupid and sending them for an outing to be together,,, and my favorite the recent one during the CHOWKI to very sneakily let them be together with the help od Anuj and to show her love through and thorough for the both of them for making up to each other.... Now with the story and the track for the RAPE coming and yes it is on its way folks who better for Millie but ABHI to be her confidant and friend from her point of view .. If Abhi could be that savior for her not to be suicidal (after Manju is done giving her two cents,,,which she will ) than I say more power to their friendship and may be Millie will develop feelings for Abhi but didn't everyone else on this forum.... Why should Milli be any different... But for the record she will not act upon them or for that Abhi either because both these characters are written such a way they are strong and logical thinkers,and both are very perceptive...

For the highlighted part in red are you trying to say that Abhi may also develope feelings for Milli? Because if that is the case then this show has completely done a 180 on each and every character.....I really don't want to see that......With the track going in the direction we didn't want is bad enough but to do this to Abhi's character and ruin THE ONLY decent and upstanding person on the show is below the level of stupidity on the part of the Creatives😡

What i am saying is that Milli MAY develop feelings for Abhi BUT NOWHERE AM I SAYING THAT ABHI WILL TOO.. To what is being said is Even if she does develop feelings for Abhi she will not act upon them and hypothetically ABHI either meaning if the roles were reversed ?? And the next sentence explains it WHY also...Now this is this weeks theory and tomorrow I may be writing totally different so don't hold me to it as this is still not signed and delivered darling...😲.

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SaNiCo

@pageant101

Voyager

Posted: 15 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: SValeCalGal
SaNiCo -

Based on our discussions, here's my input ...

I wonder what all these self-anointed sanctimonious purveyors of 'morality' would have to say about (i) situations so extolled (or tolerated) in their own mythologies ... one that comes to mind is Kunti who bore her son Karan out of wedlock and then abandoned him (to think that he was purportedly born with a full set of armor, thanks to his papa the 'Sun God' - laughable or what?!) ... lemme see, did she spend the rest of her life ostracized by 'society'? Uh ... not exactly ... went on to have 5 additional lusty sons!!; (ii) even today, the vast majority of children born in Iceland are not only 'illegitimate', but there is no stigma associated with that ... which means, that either 'god' has condoned some very strange behavior for part of humanity, or some part of humanity got his/her/its message all mucked up i.e. there is no unambiguous definition of 'sin' ... for a 'sinful' society, the Icelanders sure have a higher standard of living than the 'morally superior' Indian society ... maybe India should emulate that model a tad more closely ... divest oneself of the meaningless ...

I'm also amused no end to read about insanity being the cause behind blind/non-prophylactic sex ... how does one evaulate this condition: 'lost in one's senses'??!! What senses??!! How is one 'lost'?!! Sex is a biological drive and the absolute natural consequence of physical attraction ... not many sit and rationalize before the act (they should at least to the extent of using a contraceptive) ... I've said this before: sure glad that our ancestors way back a 100,000 years ago (the origins of homo sapiens sapiens) were 'sinful' ... we none of us would be here today, since 'marriage' was almost certainly not known back then ... the fact that a pregnancy resulted from the union on KB (hardly an 'affair') is not unknown ... I disagree with you that the idea of an abortion was forced on Neetu ... nothing of the sort ... firstly, it was the judicious thing to do given the circumstances i.e. a father unwilling to shoulder his responsibility and a mother financially incapable of raising a child solo (there is no objective evidence that shows abortion to be 'sinful' ... the nutty Christian right of this country or the equally nutty in other parts of the globe notwithstanding); secondly, it was an older sister attempting to spare here parents undue heartache ...

'Morality' is an extremely complex issue ... insofar as I am concerned, most peoples/traditions outside of this part of the world, have not a clue of what it entails ... there are no philosophical discussions of this aspect outside of the developed world ... certainly not ones germane to the 21st century or those that transcend some very arcane, anachronistic views ... social blinders are very deeply entrenched in societies such as India, and thinking outside the box is unheard of ... only recently I had a high-school girlfirend state in no uncertain terms that any and every conceivable question had an answer that could be found in her scripture ... I asked if answers to NP-Hard problems (this is a class of mathematical problems to which solutions are presently unachievable) could be found ... I'm not sure she got the point ... she's still spouting nonsense of the same kind ... understanding the actual state of the universe is non-trivial ... no one on IF has impressed me with having a requisite degree of factual knowledge ... pontificating, on the other hand, is to be had by the bushel 😕

Catch you on FB tomorrow? 😊

no one on IF has impressed me with having a requisite degree of factual knowledge ... pontificating, on the other hand, is to be had by the bushel 😕😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

Hey D. may be not by the bushel but perhaps by the ounce....?
😭

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SaNiCo

@pageant101

Voyager

Posted: 15 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: SaNiCo

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461075

Suspended

Posted: 15 years ago

#20

But what about what NEETU wanted at that time. She didn't wan the abortion and was being forced by the older sibling for it..

Neetu had not demonstrated even a modicum of maturity so her 'decision' that an abortion was anathema was muddled at best ... she did not even have enough factual information on hand to know that while there was nothing 'sinful' about having pre-marital sex, not using a prophylactic could have far worse consequences!! How was she in any position to judge that what her older sibling was recommending was not the best avenue?! I'm sorry, but where did you get the idea that the parents were looking forward to grandchildren - in this way i.e. a young woman left to her own devices by a scoundrel to raise a child?!

In addition to Neetu's, Simi did have her parents' best interest at heart because yes, social mores had been violated and condemnation would have been heaped on their collective heads (that such social mores should exist is an entirely different matter) ...

What constitutes morality?! We don't really know in black and white terms ... to the point that we must now also re-examine many many things based on what we know of life/non-life ... as an example, is it moral to hold a psychopath culpable for crimes if they have a genetic condition that leads them to commit crimes? There are many well known cases anymore ... at a minimum, I would hold an act immoral if physical/psychological harm were inflicted upon another with the express knowledge/desire of personal gain ... but then we need to figure out how to quantify a fully-functional rational brain to help determine if the act was indeed pre-meditated ...

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