A substantive last (?) post

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Posted: 15 years ago
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This is an open post for perusal by all forum members, but particularly for those in positions to affect what appears and what disappears from this site. I refer to those of you who are the Development Team and/or moderators. I hope you have strength enough to leave this post up long enough for many to read, reflect, and engage. I have yet to read the forum rules, but common sense tells me that they cannot be insular to the point of considering anything in this post as violating those rules. It uses no coarse language, no profanity, no personal attacks, no invitations to venomous disagreement.

I have never before participated in an on-line forum. Not once in all the years I have been around computers (my journey began in the days of punch cards What those are, I am confident, is known by very, very few on this forum if anybody). I have certainly not been an avid fan of Indian TV, much less Indian serials. Yet, towards the end of this year, I came to be intrigued by KB and subsequently IF, not knowing what I was in for. I know for an absolute fact, that the one forum parameter that saw an increase because of my membership was the average age 😊! I brought very little else. I believe I have taken away even less.

What I came across (if I said 'much to my delight', I would not be expressing the true magnitude of my joy) was so wholly unexpected, that even as I write this, I wonder if I am not dreaming.

I certainly came across many genuinely nice people. But to my absolute astonishment I came across like-minded people whose talents far exceeded mine in areas where I would like to grow (other than my age 😊).

I came across a moderator who was a deeply understanding and gentle person. One who softened each blow that was directed my way - especially yesterday.

I came across someone, who is, hands down, the funniest, funniest - in the cleverest, cleverest way - person I have known! I almost died laughing from something she said yesterday. I have never laughed so hard in my life - serious! If we did not have radios in cars, passersby would wonder about my sanity as I recall her lines and begin laughing like a blithering idiot! 'Who is she laughing at?!!' they might say

I came across someone who showed such a talent with words that it leaves me envious! Writing for me has always been an arduous punishing task. Yet here was someone whose words flowed effortlessly, tasted of honey, and smelled like roses.

I came across someone who was quiet and yet spoke volumes in the finest language. I cannot say much else, because we have only just started what I hope will be a long sojourn.

I came across someone who was so ebullient that it makes me want to get up and jump - which, at present, is a real feat because thanks to this forum I cannot unglue myself from this chair. 😊

I came across someone who actually thought that my posts gave her cause to learn new words. What flattery! What a raising of my self-esteem!

When I joined, the one forum parameter that I did not affect - positively - was the collective IQ!! Just these handful of members had been silent (probably) stars (unequivocally) well before my entry. What I did help emerge - quite unwittingly - was their voice and talent. I will take credit for this. I have been the single greatest beneficiary. But . . . I think so has everyone else!!!

Now, to the issue at hand. Yesterday, I was asked to confine myself to a certain kind of post - one that was terse, KB specific, bereft of literary references, minimized factual information, with no room for 'spamming.' There had been complaints and action had to be taken, if for no other reason, than to be impartial. One of the 'silent stars' was publicly rebuked. We were all cautioned via an authoritative thread.

I have clearly misunderstood (probably because I have yet to read the forum rules - I will rectify right after this post appears on the forum). I was going my merry way under the misunderstanding that this was a public forum. I was going my merry way thinking that the discussions, while initiated in response to KB, would return to KB via a wonderfully scenic route. I was going my merry way thinking that humor, engendered by KB, would return via a wonderfully hilarity filled route. For you see, the core of any discussion - short or long lived - was KB, and this we all recognized and accepted. I can be profane, accusatory, caustic . . . but I have to be driven to that. Of these 3, I can safely say that I have not been profane. The other 2, I came to understand - again - were irresponsible and socially unacceptable. Relative to my own ability in that department, I had been mild!

But why the draconian rule of terseness, no factual information, no literary references, no specificity? For one, an adjudication of any of these vis-a-vis the posts can only be subjective! What is sauce for the goose, isn't sauce for the gander. I was bewildered. Are there nascent insecurities surfacing because of the kind of directions some discussions were taking (remember, always within the ambit of and relevant to KB) or because of the complexity of thought and writing in a language with which not all have a perceived facility (and why should you? There are other languages in which you are vastly more fluent than those of us accustomed to English. In that we are equals) ? Perhaps. That is for the complainant to know.

The most curious part - as I saw it - was the exercising of double standards. Only yesterday, there was a post which was of reasonable length, discussed an issue raised in KB (of social importance) but not, strictly speaking, KB specific (as I had been led to understand). It even exhorted the creative team to use every opportunity to educate (gee! where had I seen that before?)! The responses were fast and furious and excitement was palpable! Yet I felt that some of us others were being explicitly denied the chance to engage in a similar manner. Only day before last, I saw a thread with some very creative poetry. How was that different from our literary references? Only day before last, I came across a response that began with an extremely mild invective. We had not ever reached that stage!

As requested, these 'extraneous' discussions will be taken elsewhere, for I am not prepared to sever my ties with the KB forum's silent stars. Who loses? To a degree, we don't! Perhaps those not engaging in these vastly interesting forays don't either because these things are of little to no interest. But what of those who come new? Yes, they do! And to the remaining degree, we the 'renegades' do! We each have lost the opportunity to find kindred spirits, to make friends, to have fun, to learn and many, many other things. Why should we be so denied?

To the powers that be: reflect, then mete out punishment commensurate with the crime.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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SValeCalGal - I have ALWAYS loved your posts!!! I have been silent up to now because you say things so well that I can hardly add to that...you have raised many valid points steming from KB...issues related to KB...you always leave me speechless! I do hope you continue to contribute to this forum as I always look forward to reading your posts!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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why last post?💔 we do not want you to leave. We are here to have fun staying in limits of rules while enjoying our old freinds and making new ones. IIF has provided us with this opportunity to meet pl from all across the globe in such a wonderful forum like KB sharing all our ideas and thoughts related to this serial so why leave? We all need each other as we all are a one big family . There is no restriction to any one as to how many posts they can make or disucss every issue related to Karol baug as long as they are not duplicated.
I am really happy for you that you found such nice ppl like I didbrohters and sistes and so many wonderful freinds right here on IF. God has taken away only lil sister I had from me but then in return gave me so mnay nice wonderful younger older sisters that i don't even feel like I do not have any sisters. Truly IF is a wonderful place for me. as I have a chance to meet many wonderful ppl like which would not have been possible otherwise.
over the t course of years I have met ppl from all over the globe and felt like they are my own laughing and cryins sharing my happy sad memories agreeing and argueing with him and I am sure you have gone thru some what similar expereinces here as well. So let us just make this one of the post and forget about leaving this wonderul forum and us as we all need each other.😊 This forum belongs to all of us and we are the one who make the forum.
The best part is not in agreeing all the time but arguing and having fun at th same time.
Edited by ramas - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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O please don't leave !! There are some great writers here and I enjoy reading the posts !!
U laila, Ramas, Bee5, Belle, iamindian, Lata,Patterson and many more so please please keep wrting !!!

I love to read these posts !!!

Smile it will improve ur face value !!!
Edited by shanti05 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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oh SVG.....what happened 😭..come on do keep writing.......your posts are definately very informative and you are a gifted writer as I told before.......and you Vocabulary is so good that some of the times what you write goes over my head 😳 and by the time I want to ask what you meant its already too late......so pls. do keep writing.....KB as it is is not happening at the moment...and thks Shanti for those sweet words....so let us KBites rock the forum ....

Edited by Lata - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Hear!!! Hear!!!
I hope fervently that this is not a last post... I am, after all, an official stalker and that will make my job very difficult... given the slight geographical hindrance!
On a more serious note... There are numerous ways you've contributed to this place, Dipa... copious!

What catches one's eye in the first instance is your word-craft, which on its own is an utter pleasure to come across (there are masses of us here who feel that way!) ... except there's plenty more to unwrap; the humour, the wit, the wisdom... not to mention that which is to be read between the lines, if one chooses to discern!

I take particular joy in emphatically declaring the vigorous interest your posts generate in me... to the extent that I look forward to the forum in general and your input in particular more than I do the show... it can only be a good thing! Unless of course the format of our exchanges needs to change (and what a pity that will be!)... that will take so significantly away from it all that I will have no taste left for this place!
Surely this forum is as much yours and mine as the next person who forcefully and ardently disagrees with us over the language and the references we choose to cite to validate our arguments!

Time and again I have heard that the moderators have been getting complains about page after page filled with irrelevant material... what is irrelevant I ask! Rarely anything for a student of life! Surely an exchange that stems from a nuance of the subject at hand(KB) and branches off into the verve of life in general is not irrelevant...

If a protagonist of our serial here is extremely godly, is a discussion about God irrelevant, I ask? Of those who answer yes, I ask this; isn't it only a matter of skipping on to the next topic if you find it unbearable?... why is freedom of expression an issue if it's not undermining anyone else rights?

I say... let's hear it for intelligent, witty and humorous exchanges ladies (I doubt there are any gentlemen here!), that make us all reflect, chuckle, gurgle and snigger but above all leave something in our minds after we've switched off the pc and tv.

To you Dipa I say this... I'm already a richer person having met you and its only been a short aquaintence! May it last long!
Edited by belledejour - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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To all of you w/ responses:
I did not especially mean this in a post yesterday, but I do so now
I am truly humbled
Much Love!
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Quite frankly I have never been much interested in posting on IF since I could not really relate to the topics being discussed and the absolute lack of 'back and forth' which is an essential part of conversation. I have been a member since 2006, i think, but the posts are usually sum1 voicing their opinions and every1 agreeing to it. While this is good for the ego of the original poster and theres nothing wrong in agreeing with sum1or even in voicing ur opinion, the intolerance displayed towards a different point of view isnt sumthing that I want to be a part of. The first episode I watched of KB was the one in which simi runs away when RB tries to molest her and it made me curious enough to seek out the forum and watch all the episodes I had missed. I also read a few of the threads without wanting to add to the discussion or even comment on the lack of one until I came across some of the posts of Dipa and Belle. While I may not always agree with what they have to say, to me, their ability to discuss the subject articulately in its immediate and broader context makes this forum interesting. While they certainly made me pause and take a closer look, the lively debate their comments generated fascinated me enough to want to be a part of them.
As Dipa has said, our posts have never degenerated to personal attacks, the sarcasm has always been gentle and the appreciation genuine.

As has been pointed out, the members of the forum want the production house to use every opportunity to educate us, then why do the mods via the route of draconian rules, want us to lose this opportunity to educate each other??

Dipa, its a pleasure knowing you (i think) and the rest of the 'renegades'. U guys have no idea how exhilarating it is to not to have to explain ur random mutterings and discuss things other than Dora, Jonas Brothers, cooking and clothes/jewellery
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Posted: 15 years ago
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aww...dont leave!

I dont talk much in this section but i have read many of your posts and i have to say i like how you put your thoughts together and i agree with a lot of your posts :)
A lot of people here like and admire you...you shouldn't leave :)

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Posted: 15 years ago
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I had made up my mind as well to stop visiting I-F and writing my opinions on the KB forum after yesterday's thread cap. Completely agree with SValeCalGal post above. It's surprising to know how people have such low tolerance for comments. This is after all an open forum, isn't it?

Wouldn't have brought up this topic out in the public really, but thought that it's needs to be discussed. It was mentioned yesterday that all the posts were turning into 'personal chats'. The definition of which being comparing KB characters to books, themes, etc. All this had to stopped as the mods had got some complaints. In short - the conversation has to be in serious monotones only.

Frankly, I did not join I-F to discuss the seriousness of a scene in the KB serial. I liked the show, saw an open forum where people talked about it and joined it. It's as simple as that. No personal agendas here! There are a whole group of people here who think/speak/ talk like me. It's fun talking about the characters, and the story lines with so many people from around the globe.

An open forum isn't run by rules, per se. Rather, it should be moderated with some cardinal guidelines by moderators which provide everyone with a level playing field and reasonable expectations for an open and frank engagement. Most of these guidelines should be geared towards just improving the state of the forum through smart tips.

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