Originally posted by: SValeCalGal
But Dipa surely things are changing,
Yasu . . . change is inevitable even if it's at a glacial rate (although with global warming, one can no longer use that as an effective/apt expression) . . . I wonder, if not expedited, that such issues could at least be raised in the 'public arena' with as much frequency as possible . . .
yeah i do agree that they need to be raised in the public arena much more frequently
or my mom telling me that no1 in this world has the right to lay a hand on me. To me this is a change from the old " doli mein jana and arthi mein nikalna" school of thought.
Your mother gave you some absolutely sound advice . . . and I hadn't heard the doli/arthee expression before . . . it's making me puke . . .
perhaps the doli/arthi expression is archaic, i asked my mom and she said her generations version of it was "beta parents ki izzat isi mein hai ki beti har halaat mein nibaah kare"
As Simis character put it so eloquently (and I paraphrase) they are not here to change 5000 years of history but merely to make a profit.
Personally I do not think that kind of eloquence is needed . . . Abhi was so on the mark when he said to her 'you're an educated woman . . . an academician to boot . . . I expect you to think differently' and yeah one rises to defend one's mum but even so . . .
he was absolutely right, but she was also being very realistic and practical. This kind of stuff does happen and much more often than it should. Dont get me wrong, im not condoning it in any way just stating that its a part of middle class life in India.
Since tv channels and production houses are businesses they need to consider the bottom line and if we as consumers create a demand for these products, wont they oblige??
Yes and no . . . 'bottom line' does not absolve them of all responsibility . . . from what I know 'ethics in business' is part of the curriculum at business schools . . . surely raising the social conscience is a question of ethics?
yes it is a question of ethics, but isnt ground reality as far removed from ethical practices as it can possibly be??
I don't believe that we as consumers want this . . . not the kind to whom a KB type serial has appeal . . . but given how this thread has been so deluged with responses, you sound righter and righter . . .
We (the ppl on this forum) are talking from the perspective of urban educated viewers Dipa and we are very much in the minority.
I'm really saddened at the squandering of opportunity by the Sunshiners and all the loose ends - like Abhi's perenially untied shoe-laces. I'm going to look into who handles the entertainment sections in Delhi newspapers and give the Sunshiners the last piece of my mind - that I can ill afford 😊
The pompous sets, big parites elegant clothers and jewlwery and ths same old saas bahi drama.
Raksha - agree with you wholeheartedly . . . except for the part about 'elegant clothes' 😃
yesterdays saregamapa is currently playing on zee and "elegant clothes" certainly doesnt come to mind 😆
Thappds are fairly common even in public place/ Why aren't women organization opposing them.
Do you mean against women? Or anyone who appears to be from the 'lower eschelons of society?' And organization is what it takes to combat injustice!
What vicky did and doing is not forgivable crime.
Of which crime do you speak? If it's the petty thieving (including filching credit cards), then the battery and assault by the 'keepers of law and order' is what is unforgivable . . . people like Vicky should receive remedial intervention to reduce recidivism . . .
but a punishable crime and should be dealt with some kind of punishment.which would have spared Nitu's life.
If you're speaking of the sex, then I believe that Neetu is an adult and their participation in such activity was consensual . . . again, the Sunshiners can help educate the viewership to what governs pregnancy (probability etc) . . . a number of us have written almost ad nauseum about that in several of the threads . . . amazing that they have not caused a furor in feedback . . .
Vicky may be living in some dirty chawl and trapping girls using his charm and appearnce.
Raksha - the people who live in posh high-rises and the kind are just as apt - if not more - to be perpetrators of such crimes . . . and just how easily they get away with impunity is a function of the social standing of the victim . . .
but torture is still wide spread in police custody.There's no accountability of these policemen in most cases.
Agreed . . . the point again, is that there are those of us viewers who do want this dealt with, not swept under the rug . . .
Sometimes I think that living outside of India, our sensibilities have changed. We actually notice these things and have an opinion abt them.
but this serial is not about that. It's focusing more from Sethis point of view.
True . . . but I still maintain that there is an ethical angle to the makers of drama such as KB . . . why are they focusing only on the acceptance of age reversal?
perhaps bcoz it is an important social issue that will affect this family directly. This serial is basically abt them but ur right the other larger issues that do come up should atleast be commented upon in a responsible manner.
What Vicky went through at the police station would probably be too much information at this point.
But . . . that's what he wrote in his letter! Did the battery not render him black & blue? Was Nakul blind when he bailed Vicky out the next day? For all his socially conscious outlook, why is Nakul not pressing charges? Evidently he as aspirations to 'ministerhood' (for a bit I thought the person was speaking of a minister in a church! 😊), and this would be a good place for Nakul to begin honing his skills as a respectable politician!
How true! They did show this if you consider Manju's behavior towards Simi even after she got to know that Rajeev Bhalla visited brothels and had a loose character. Despite it all she insisted on the wedding to be continued. Clearly she was expecting Simi to basically take it all in and accept any domestic manhandling by Rajeev. Even the neighboring women taunted them while they should have supported the Sethis.
Hallelujah girl! Manju has a fainting spell when she overhears the conversation (from a mile off! what keen hearing!!) between the trio of Abhi, Mili, & Neetu and then . . . what? has amnesia (seems to be a genetic trait among the Sethis) ?!! It was so inconsistent! Would a mother be so hell bent on marrying off a child that she would turn a blind eye to the goings-on of a RB?! As for the neighborhood women . . . that is the prevalent mind-set . . . but as Yasu says - 'times they are a changin' '
Simi was ostracized by friends/neighbors and taunted in public as 'the girl who sent the barat back on TV'.
Yeah . . . that's why it behooves the Sunshiners from putting the right set of words into the mouth of one of the characters to show how repulsive these kinds of responses are . . .
and to do it in a non-preachy manner so that socially responsible tv doesnt equate boring tv
