Jodha Akbar discussion corner! - Page 47

My dear Vinita,

I am so glad you liked this one, and that I have managed to resolve a major puzzle for you re: Jalal's attitude towards Jodha. Yes, I too remember that scene in Amer during Sukanya's marriage. Jalal tells her why that Ratanpur fort is so important for him as it is linked to memories of his father. Jodha looks so blank and unfeeling that I wanted to clout her!

I read your take on the Akbar in Maharana Pratap, which I quit along with Faisal Khan - the distortions there are frightful - and his relationship with Jodha, with great interest. I shall look up a few episodes; it should be fun.

Please hit the Like button, Vinita. I need to keep track of all my regular readers. Thanks.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: vinitaj27

wonderful insight in the characters as always shyamalji. u have managed to answer a few questions i had while watching the serial. like why if jalal hated her so much that he wanted to defeat her did he not touch her even when he was instigated by ruqqaiya the night he was drunk. also jalal didnt have to pretend in front of her parents when they came for a visit and jodha requested him. at first i felt he did that coz he didnt want his in laws to find out what is happening in his personal life but now i realize it was mainly coz that was the first time jodha had asked him for something. the battle between his heart n his mind started right from the first time he had seen her.

i still remember the dialogue of his during the sukanyas marriage n the fort episode when jodha asks him he is the mighty ruler of hindustan then why does he give a damn as to what she thinks of him n he later mentions that he doesnt know y but he does care.

btw i just few days back was browsing thru the tv and caught a scene from the serial 'maharana pratap' which i cant stand coz it is even worse when it comes to dramatization n taking creative liberties then jodha akbar, but they showed a scene wherein akbar although shown ruthless n barbaric n following a cunning and manipulative salima begums advise always is shown as very loving and caring to Heer / jodha and she is also shown as someone who is caring, soft, loyal and loving person.

Hi Shyamala. thanks once again for your superb analysis.

Another fantastic analysis.i read each and every word like a favorite storybook and enjoyed it all.

Originally posted by: myviewprem

I was reading some comments on Jodha's religion.

By Jodha we mean the historical Hira Kunwari not Jodha Bai- Jehangir wife.

From what i read in history, Hira Kunwari converted to Islam(whether for marriage or later is not clear) but she remained a Krishna devotee all life.

The mughals were like modern indians who marry other religions, to marry the guy usually girl changes to guys religion but after marriage husband-wife celebrate both religion festivals and both religions exist in their life and their children are brought up in both faiths. The conversion of girl is necessary to marry and usually girls convert to boys religion(99% girls convert 1% boys convert in 21st century in 16th century 100% only girls converted). This is also necessary to decide the faith of child who is born of such union and to gain legitimacy for children of such wedlocks. India is a patriarchal country so child usually gets fathers religion and belongs to fathers family.

So Hira Kunwari or Mariam uz zamai converted to islam and followed both religions. Officially she was a muslim but privately she was muslim and hindu both(i.e. in 4 walls of agra fort). She was buried as per islam customs and Jehangir built a vav or well in her tomb to symbolize her hindu religion as per her wish.

Just for information

Man Bai Jehangir first wife also buried not cremated as she also converted to Islam

Jodha Bai Jehangir third wife too buried(in agra-- her tomb was sold by british and demolished)

So all mughal wives converted for marriage(or after marriage) but followed both islam and hindu religion in house.

Mughals were liberals(except a shah jahan or aurangzeb) and they celebrated rakhi, diwali, dusserha, christmas apart from muslim festivals in agra and delhi forts.

Akbar visited Guru Nanak and was interested in jain philosophy

http://www.sikhnet.com/stories/audio/emperor-akbar-and-gurus-langar

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/Ahmedabad-turned-Akbar-veggie/articleshow/5259184.cms

Jehangir visited church in Delhi for christmas celebrations and even partook in their mass(a bell he gited still there in church)

http://www.thehindu.com/features/friday-review/history-and-culture/jahangirs-christmas-gift/article4231982.ece

Even the orthodox Shah Jahan(brought up in muslim way by Ruqaiah begum) celebrated rakhi, diwali, holi and dusserha with pomp at delhi and agra forts

prem, there was this discussion in the main forum as well that she did convert to islam as per the law that existed in those days, and yes she did continue her hindu practices within the four walls of the fort! ans also a minor correction akbar met guru amar dasji the third guru and not guru nanak😊

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dearest Mandy,

What a lovely set of comments! Thank you so much, for as I have noted above, it was somehow difficult for me to do this post, with its gossamer thin, magical material, and it is reassuring for me that you feel I have managed to put it across.

Thank you for that wonderful sher, a charming addition to my collection.But then you have such a treasure house of quotable quotes from the Urdu, rivalling only Adiana's!!

And just as much for adding Munni's gorgeous photos, so that the readers can check what I meant by calling the shot (as Jalal is looking up at the palki), priceless, and where he looks stern and almost angry as he stands between Suryabhan and Jodha alighting from her palki.

It is a wonderful thing, to have these photos to illustrate my text. Can you explain to me how one pastes them in there? Then the next time I am describing an expression of Jalal's and if Munni has kindly provided the correct photo/s, I could make my text an illustrated one!

Yes, that Krack cream crack was a wicked one, was it not!😉 Just ignore it!

Shyamala

shyamala i just copy paste the pics just like copy pasting a text!

Originally posted by: jayaks02

Mandy - Did you not know that She was always in love ?!!!!!!!! of course with herself, all along.

😉

😆,,bang on jaya!

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

Remember this thread 😆

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3746476

priceless😆

Originally posted by: harrybird

Aunty, I have no words to describe the myriad of emotions I felt while reading this beautiful take of yours !

You are truly a reader's delight & I think its high time for you to start a blog & compile all your master pieces.

Our Reaction to Jallu...😳 😳 😳

Our reaction to your post...⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️

PS: a person associated with JA is reading ur analysis ( culprit : me ). Guess who?

anjali i think all of us who are basically jalal lovers are a creative bunch, you bring a delightful creation of yours through pics with underlying humor..!

shyamala..for her i have no words and her writings are masterpiece as we all know, snadhya's intelligent points, khushi and sunnysa's witty humor..jaya, lavi bring intelligence and humor combined..munni comes close to my heart when it comes to protecting rajat's jalal😉😆..my sara who is missing from the picture for long is missed but she has her own povs and sense of humor..and my adi dear has become eed ka chand now will love to hear more from her..and ela darling why are you so silent😕..pl come forward with you povs regarding jodha and we would love to hear some different opinions too!

sorry if i forgot to mention more names as i just caught these names who are regular writers of the thread and our cc discussions..and also the boys prem and donjas who add to the spice of discussions😉..i love you all and miss you all if i do not see anyone of you regularly, so please try and comment and be here as you all are so precious..and also devkiji..coolpree..sp108..and many more that i missed!