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Posted: 10 years ago
What a neat little collection! I had no idea of the Italian's book, Storia ke mongol.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: myviewprem

pls read foll to start with - almost all available on net
ain-I-akbari by ABU FAZL

Akbar nama by ABU FAZL

muntakhab-ut-tawarikh by Abdul quadir badauni

the mughal harem by k s Lal

emperor of the peacock throne by A eraly

humayun nama by gulbadan begum

journal of royal asiatic society

storia do mongor by niccolao Mannuci

history of jahangir by Beni Prasad

akbar by satyendra giri

women in mughal India by rekha mishra

history of India by Elliot and dowson

royal mughal ladies by shoma mukerjee

history of Jaipur by raghuvir singh

badshah nama by Abdul Hamid lahori

Ma'asir-i-Jahangiri of Kamgar usaini-younger days of salim

Iqbalnama

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Posted: 10 years ago
Thank you so much, Sri dear. You spoil me with too much praise, but then can any writer have too much of it!😉

Your take on Bairam Khan is spot on!

Shyamala Akka


Originally posted by: jayaks02

Oh Akka - Read 5 take. Allow me to say this again.

What a fantabulously written episode commentary . Reference to Ramayan was enlightening and a sweet satire take on Jodha's upcoming salvation. 😉
This Khan Baba - Jalal encounter I remember was a very captivating one. Your analysis of BK's idea of HIS Jalal and his Mughal kingdom in India is pulverizing. Powerful writing to a very imp scene 👏. When the sun is set or about to set, the sharp brooding and thoughtful eyes of Jalal is hovering on BK's lines on his impending greatness but the destiny will make him achieve it in his own way !! . 450 years later, we talk about Akbar who probably was the most visionary and successful ruler across the world then. To this reference, this scene is one of the best.
BK incidentally also recounts what happens to an efficient general who does not get his perspectives right.
Very nicely summarized episode.

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Posted: 10 years ago
No, no, my dear Prem, I did not mean to complain that you did not read my PMs! That was just to respond to Mandy. So long as you are here with me on the thread, I do not care if you read my PMs or not.

Incidentally, I had responded in detail to your very interesting comments on part 4 (I think) of my posts on the Reminiscences thread for Rajat that Mandy had started in the main JA forum. Do take a look at them,

And I am sad that you have had to abandon your Laawaris at such a crucial juncture. Though I can understand why you had to do it, I would have liked to see how you squared the circle and brought Jodha back to Akbar. If you remember, early on, I had felt that the chapters should be longer, but you had your style, undoubtedly for good reasons, and it was very hatke in its own way.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Thanks a lot for pms, but i rarely see the pms. I just go to the forum and comment
Actually i have tests and am busy, i only loaded the ffs else i am flooded by pms. But to comment i take my own leisure time over weekends. So pls bear with my laggardness for few days. I shall definetly comment on every aspect, actually i have missed all these episodes just reading your updates to get an idea as i had missed it before in 2013 too.

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Posted: 10 years ago
That was a joke, darling! You have to get used to my tongue being mostly in my cheek! But I am touched that you PMed poor Mandy about it! I knew some of you would miss the daily post, which is why I felt guilty about it.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Sabdabhala



SHYAMALA AUNTY

HAVE NOT READ YOUR POST AS YET, BUT WANTED TO RESPOND TO YOUR COMMENT OF NO ONE HAVING NOTICED THAT YOU DID NOT POST YESTERDAY

YOUR DAILY POSTS ARE EAGERLY AWAITED 😊

IN FACT, I HAD WRITTEN TO MANDY ABOUT IT ASKING HER IF SOMEHOW I HAD MISSED GETTING THE POST 😆 AND SHE HAD REPLIED SAYING THAT YOU WOULD PROLLY DO 5&6 TOGETHER

I ACTUALLY WANTED TO PM YOU TO ASK, BUT THOUGHT THE BETTER OF IT 😆

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Posted: 10 years ago
My dear Donjas,

I shall wait for your longer take, as I always do.

If Bairam Khan had killed Akbar, I think the whole empire, such as it was then, would have fallen apart, with multiple claimants. But he really cared for the Sultanat and Jalal, I think, in that order, since both were his creations at that point in time!

A 100 inch screen must be magnificent ! I use a 50 inch LED and the sets and the over all get up do look impressive in the early parts, especially the Amer fort set by Nitin Desai. I agree with you about all the rest, but I do wish the overabundance of jewellery was less tacky.Those 3 identical sets for the three sisters scream of their being fakes. The Tanishq real jewellery in the film was gorgeous.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Donjas

Thanks Shyamala for your opinion. Once again your analysis of the Jalal-Hamida and Jalal-Bairam Khan relationship made for interesting reading. The interesting point about Bairam Khan is that he could have killed Jalal at any time from the ages 14-17 and become king himself. Something like that happened in England. Bairam Khan did not.


I will write in detail tomorrow. Just one point more, my experience is better than most since I use a projector on a 100 inch screen with 720p source material. Even on a big screen, the sets, the decorations, the props and jewellery look great. I mean, some source material when blown up looks bad, not here. The amount of money spent on these initial episodes must have been immense, just as well that ratings rose to a level to justify all this.

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Posted: 10 years ago
Nothing, and no one, can make me forget Hrithik's very different Akbar!😉 He was elegant and gracious and noble. This a much rawer Akbar,of course, and superbly done for almost 200 episodes. Hrithik had only 3 hours and 20 minutes!

If no conditions were set out by Jodha, how come she stayed on as a Hindu? That would have been a radical departure from the norm in those days. Nor can I understand how, given this, that she had herself buried. They say it was to stay close to Akbar even after death, but for a Hindu, such an idea would be alien, as we believe that the soul escapes its mortal confines after death and the body is meaningless thereafter

Shyamala

Originally posted by: ghalibmirza


prem, you are absolutely right its bharmal who sent the proposal and not the other way round and also the three conditions were never laid by jodha as she would never dare to do so. also ashutosh mentioned in one of his interviews that this scene was a complete fiction, i actually forgot the scene in the movie as raja's jalal's mind blowing expressions made me completely forget hrihik's akbar😉

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Posted: 10 years ago
Attagirl, Devki! Spot on!🤗

Akbar was later remarkably concerned about the conditions of life of women. See the part I wrote about Akbar and Sati in my earlier thread of Reminiscences of Rajat's Jalal, in part 3. Here is the extract:

Akbar and sati: This is all as far as the extract from the post goes, but for those interested, I am adding a note on the Rani Damayanti episode, and Akbar's ban on forcible sati.

Like his father, the Emperor Humayun, Akbar issued official general orders prohibiting forcible sati and insisted that no woman could commit sati without the specific permission of his chief police officers. The chief police officers were instructed by him to delay the woman's decision for as long as possible.Pensions, gifts, and rehabilitative help were offered to the potential sati to persuade her from committing the act.

Akbar could thus be seen as the intellectual forefather of Raja Ram Mohan Roy, who campaigned against sati, and Ishwarchandra Vidyasagar, who campaigned for widow remarriage, in the 20th century.

His commitment to wiping out forcible sati was demonstrated very dramatically one day in 1583, when Akbar heard that Rani Damayanti, the cousin sister of one of his Rajput wives, Rukmavati, was being forced to commit sati by her sons on the death of her husband. She was the daughter of Mota Raja Udai Singh of Jodhpur, and her husband was Raja Jai Mal of Mertha who had just died .

On getting this news, Akbar personally rode all the way from Agra to Ranthambore to save this lady from being forced to commit sati. What is remarkable is that he went by himself, all alone. His personal security guard, when they heard the emperor had gone off all on his own, galloped after him.

Akbar arrived at the palace just in time to stop the sati taking place; already the Rani was being led out to the sati site (after having been drugged). By the sheer force of his personality, he was able to stop the sati from taking place. [This particular incident, of Akbar stopping the forcible Sati, is described in detail in V.A. Smith's book, 'Akbar the Great Mughal']

Now what an episode this, and Akbar's ban on forcible sati, would have made!! But of course the CVs are more interested in wet masalas!

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He was amazingly enlightened for his times, and for ours as well. He was in fact the precursor of Raja Ram Mohan Roy in this respect.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: devkidmd


As far as the woman incident is concerned, I feel it was the way it was back then. This is medieval times we are talking about. Women were commodities back then. Even royal women(or should I say especially Royal women?). Why would Jalal or anyone care about what happened to that insignificant rural woman afterwards? She might've been shunned by her community and husband for all he cared. It was a way to humiliate the Rajputs by picking her up for his "diljoyee" and show them who is boss. That's it. The only looser in this whole thing is obviously that woman.

This has nothing to do with trying to show him to be more ruthless than he was and everything to do with the value placed on women back then. We'll be shocked to hear about how women were treated even in the last century.

Jalal did not turn into a total saint even as he evolved into a more tolerant ruler so why should we expect him to be a saint when he was a young emperor surrounded and influenced by fanatics like BK whose only method of conquering Hindustan was by breaking their "guroor"?
Devki

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Donjas

Thanks Shyamala for your opinion. Once again your analysis of the Jalal-Hamida and Jalal-Bairam Khan relationship made for interesting reading. The interesting point about Bairam Khan is that he could have killed Jalal at any time from the ages 14-17 and become king himself. Something like that happened in England. Bairam Khan did not.


I will write in detail tomorrow. Just one point more, my experience is better than most since I use a projector on a 100 inch screen with 720p source material. Even on a big screen, the sets, the decorations, the props and jewellery look great. I mean, some source material when blown up looks bad, not here. The amount of money spent on these initial episodes must have been immense, just as well that ratings rose to a level to justify all this.



hi donjas! so finally you did end up using the projector! wow! i used to watch the show on laptop but now i bought dvds and watch it on my big screen tv and it does make a huge difference with bigger screen!
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Posted: 10 years ago
Shyamala, hrithik's akbar was more of a romanticized one as the tall handsome emperor. But Rajat's akbar is closer to the real one in terms of height and build. And definitely Rajat is the superior actor as he made us see Akbar on screen while with Hrithik one was always seeing Hrithik. In fact AG's JA had the better Jodha as Ash exudes royalty unlike EK's Begumsa who was so pedestrian. And of course AG was smart enough to get the likes of Tanishq on board thus managing to further enhance the royal aura. An acumen EK singularly lacks.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Nothing, and no one, can make me forget Hrithik's very different Akbar!😉 He was elegant and gracious and noble. This a much rawer Akbar,of course, and superbly done for almost 200 episodes. Hrithik had only 3 hours and 20 minutes!

If no conditions were set out by Jodha, how come she stayed on as a Hindu? That would have been a radical departure from the norm in those days. Nor can I understand how, given this, that she had herself buried. They say it was to stay close to Akbar even after death, but for a Hindu, such an idea would be alien, as we believe that the soul escapes its mortal confines after death and the body is meaningless thereafter

Shyamala



shyamala, i too liked hrithik's akbar but rajat did take over him in many similar scenes, but i cannot forget hrithik's sword practice scene and his taming the elephant both were magnificent and ofcourse his height and physique added to the grace, but rajat edges over him when it comes to expressions, also i loved hrithik's expressions in that sufi song when he rolled his eyes up at the sky in full masti, it was a treat to watch and rajat too equaled him when it came to a similar scene in the show!

the conditions part was fictional as no such conditions were set before marriage as it was bharmal who wanted the marriage to happen, i think she must have got the permission from akbar himself after the marriage to practice her own religion and the proof is a painting where she has given birth to salim at fatehpur sikri and there is krishan ji's murti in the same room by her bedside!

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