Jodha Akbar discussion corner! - Page 25

shyamala, i was wondering if you will be doing the daily analysis up until episode 150 then we should compile them in parts as you did for you thread on the main forum, just like you made parts with 20 episodes each, that way i can just update links to the parts which will compile 20 each, what say?

and also i know after 150 the episodes were not as appealing but i would love to hear you views on adham khan death episode and the after math..and also the abba huzoor track was good..only few silly tracks such as mirchi war..khyber track..then atifa track..which started off good but the ending was bizarre!..the labonit track and the pathetic end were the ones that are a black spot...!

my favorites are all the episodes up to 150, then baadal kajri track..ben track was just ok nothing much...abba huzoor track..adham khan death track..hassan husain track...and everything after major leap was a huge let down! do not even feel like mentioning it...mughal e azam track would have been ok but they were in a rush to end it and mercilessly chopped it off!

My oh My, the next epi will be the Gangaur epi 😉😳 And Begumsa's dishonesty with herself will begin 😛😆

Hey mandy
Its great to once again read the thoughts of our old friends on our fav show. Thanx for this thread. Just one request. Is it possible for u to post this on the main JA forum. Its much more convenient.

Originally posted by: ---Khushi---

@ blue: Aunty...I partly concur with you here...jalal is yet to evolve as a human being...you have described it beautifully...its just that this one scene has jarred my image of Jalal as a hero badly (I m watching these epis for the 1St time) ...it was just too callous of him, considering the times...

My only problem now is, that I shall have to wait for at least a part of that evolution to take place, before I can place Jalal on a pedestal again...

Sandhya dearest, we shouldn't forget that these were times of sati, jauhar etc...where it was considered better for a woman to jump into fire than be abandoned by her husband/be widowed/be taken by another man etc...so saying that she is better off without her coward of a husband is like closing your eyes to reality...the husband was only next to god in those times...n also the polygamous setup of that era cannot be ignored...if a wife could not fight polygamy then, how could she even think of fighting the cowardice of her husband????

Jodha Akbar Episode 3 and 4

My Note:

Inconsistency Tolerable

As i write before, this is the first time Jalal heard Jodha's name, A WOMAN who's take command to attack his soldiers than they defeated. Thats most interesting point for Jalal at that time, even though he's listened all the report. BUT, this is I notice how closed and depth relationship between Abdul and Jalal. Abdul know well, Jalal need more information about THIS woman. And YES, Shyamala Di, how come this sainika can describe so detail about Jodha's beauty, BUT its make sense if this sainika is a spy, he must have kind of skills of observation from a long distance . Right?!! ;)

A BIG problem at point of view of the forum member are inconsistency about Jalal knows his sainika rob the mandir and in forward episode when Jalal escort Jodha to Kali Ma Mandir, as if he's not knowing it. For me (as I write before in PM to you Shyamala Di) The main problem in Jodha Akbar, in my opinion just because the Creative Writer DOES NOT have a big frame of the story of Jodha Akbar, when they chose a history background they SHOULD adjust with the real history (surely they can make it in fiction story OR Natakiya Rupantar - for sake to reduce the public protest) BUT they MUST make a proportion, what percentage based on history, what percentage fiction. When to start and when to finish (the end of story). How many STAGE PART in the whole story, what kind of villain to be chosed-adjust with the proportion, etc, etc...

So, if the CV had a big frame of the story, even though the crews exodus, the story can still flowing well.

Ok, back on the scene. OR if the CV indeed intentionally repeated, I think they made it on propose to describe how grief and trauma which is Jodha's felt about that incident. And Jalal (for me, he is clearly didn't know) THATS incident can made Jodha so grief and not peaceful even after POOJA. And he did not expect, the big impact in the POV the victim, JODHA. This is new perspective, that is what prompted him to discuss with Atgah at that time in Amer. WHY, cause in episode 3, he had to punish his sainika who commit acts of cowardice and defeat. When he said "you wear colored clothes, make party and invite your guests". I think this is kind of sentence from Jalal.

Purity of companionship

My question is, is Sujamal the real person in Indian History (in Mughal period)? or a fiction character. When Jodha came to Amer court in a messy condition, Sujamal is the first person who's so angry when he looks Jodha in that condition. This is so ironic, the purity of Jodha-Sujamal relationship always make me gloomy overwhelm. They can't support each other all the time, but they bound in depth. But, they must detached, and kind of support and bound did not receive from her own brothers. Sujamal figure for Jodha its not only cousin, friend, guard, and teacher also. Clearly, without Sujamal, Jodha is LONELY.

Amer Palace replace Agra Palace

When Mynavati drag Jodha to the pool of Amer Palace and try to clean Jodha's face, I notice,this part of Amer Palace will replace as Agra Palace at up 400 episode. :D

Haunted be continued

When Jalal mutter "Jodhaa..." for me, behind his head he's curious about this woman, blended with his curious about a beauty of Amer. And again his sainika and Sharifuddin repeated her breave and beauty even in front of Bhairam Khan, THATS made Jalal more EAGERLY to go to Amer. He's boldly confident he's NOT influence with this woman and LOVE as same as when he plays maangtika at the market.

Dignity of Rajputana

I think this is kind of way which The CV want to keep the dignity of Rajputana. Cause in previous scene The Rajvanshi Raja never make a conclusion to unity to fight Mughal. And Bharmal have a plan to make it unity with alliance way. I don't want to compare it with the real history. :D

Fear and Warmth

To expand the territory Bhairam Khan using methods of warfare, terror and fear, indeed it should be done. The method was also applied among the soldiers. My question is how Bhairam Khan can be a different figure of a man in front of Salima Begum. She's described him as a gentle, loving and adoring her. In fact, he loves writing poetry, too...

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose

[Akbars time feels like a dream to me. There was so many noteworthy and great people during hus reign. We had Mahranapratap, there were saints like Chishti sahib and Guru Amar Das ji, Akbars nine jems.. India really prospered spiritually and culturally.

Ashoka spread spirituality as well after the battle of kalinga. I have even read that he had put up signs and messages everywhere with codes of moral conduct.

I think we need to grow spiritually for our progress.😆

Ashoka was special in his own way.

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Ashoka was special in his own way.

Ashoka was Great not just for giving up wars. ( Anyway he had consolidated and strengthened his Empire too well by then that it didn't make a big difference😉) His rule was examplary too. And the first of its kind. He had dug wells, built roads and rest houses, planted trees, founded hospitals for men and animals, banned hunting, encouraged education, propogated religious tolerance ( though he did a lot to spread Buddhism he never forced conversions), introduced discipline and moral rules in the army. He promoted the ethical treatment of animals and the distribution of medicine to all of his subjects He appointed a special class of officers, dharma mahamatras, to propagate morality. He asked them to be teachers first, magistrates afterward. Declaring all his subjects to be his children, he considered himself to be the trustee of their welfare rather than a ruler. He exhorted his subjects to meditate; to practice nonviolence and noninjury toward fellowmen and animals; to revere parents, teachers, mendicants, and elders; to be kind to inferiors such as servants, serfs, and beasts of burden; to be truthful; and to respect the beliefs of fellowmen. (In his edicts and boards)He did not seek to establish a sectarian creed and lavishly gave to all religious sects.

He ruled by moral example what may be called the first welfare state in the world. And not over any teeny weeny tinpot principality but over akhand Bharat established by his grand dad. It was certainly no mean task a 2000 yrs ago.

Originally posted by: vinitaj27

Hey mandy
Its great to once again read the thoughts of our old friends on our fav show. Thanx for this thread. Just one request. Is it possible for u to post this on the main JA forum. Its much more convenient.

you are most welcome my dear🤗..i find it more convenient here as the thread is easy to find, in the main forum i had to dig our thread through several pages and here everytime i come its position never changes😊!

very interesting points related to jalal's scene with that married rajput lady! and i cannot pin point as to who is right and who is wrong! jalal was at his prime time for jawani ka josha and found khan baba's suggestion quite tempting, and in those times it was a common practice for emperors to practice their power through various means and this one might have been one of them but i think it is a bit exaggerated here to show the difference of his approach later once ragistan ka ghulab creeps into his life!...i think jalal's own motives were never this dangerous as mentioned by ela initially, he was a gentleman inside as i still remember when he was still in jallad phase how he bashed adham khan for treating the women and children in such an disrespectful manner and that was when khan baba's control over him was fading away slowly!..and his true nature was taking charge!..the fact that bothers me here is that he left the woman in the middle of nowhere who was peacefully leading her life with not so loving husband who showed his true colors later, or maybe she was not so loving wife either who was just fulfilling the norms of society...ok ab shaadi ab bachche and end of the story which i think many of the women who go through arranged marriages are in that frame of mind!

jalal under khan baba's supervision was experimenting as mentioned by shyamala the breaking point of these people and women were their ghuroor and indeed it was and also the example of that poor fellow with those bangles whose weakness was his child will do anything for him..and here BK correlated with women's izzat and aabro if they are not safe then these men will break as they will not be able to see their bahu betis being disrespectfully treated! but jalal more than exploiting their weaknesses is interested in fighting and winning over them and making their women part of his harem and that is how he will rule over them..!