#ManipulativeWriting Ki Jai Ho! DTNT Pg 8 - Page 5

Kuhu may have some good qualities as a person but its overshadowed by her hatred for mishti. This comparison to mishti will be a lifelong problem for her , it happens in real life too .

There r certain people who love to shift the blame for their negativity ,negative thoughts and actions ,on others . This is their way of telling themselves that they would be a better person IF so and so person didnt happen or so and do didnt do this..kuhu's scapegoat is mishti and meenus scapegoat is kuhu and mishti both..

This is entirely their own issue n they need self introspection...they need to find light on their own....

Coming to the writing , writing is not balanced everytime but their foundation is solid. They can make kuhu swing anyways as kuhu is the gray character here. Mishti is the quintessential heroine and abir is the hero. Kuhu will always bounded by jealousy and anger . Frankly that's the beauty of it. Do I want kuhu to be like mishti ? Never ! Both r different .

Originally posted by: aquaHP

Meenu being accepting of Mishti is not all of a sudden. The 3 month lockdown showed Meenu that Abir would choose Mishti over the family if given a choice, so she will have to give in if she wants Abir to stay. And that is the thing: she WANTS Abir to stay. If she was okay with him leaving and staying somewhere else and he could still be part of the family, all of the issues would end, and everyone would be happy because Meenu-Abir don't see eye to eye nor do Mishti and Kuhu, and this would result in the show getting over.

Abir has shown this time and again, from before the broken GD. I don't think the 3 month lockdown has anything to do with it. It could be more that she finally connected to Mishti as a woman and truly admired the way she handled herself when she fought off Karan that she is finallyready to give their relationship a chance.

Originally posted by: angelfire78

Abir has shown this time and again, from before the broken GD. I don't think the 3 month lockdown has anything to do with it. It could be more that she finally connected to Mishti as a woman and truly admired the way she handled herself when she fought off Karan that she is finally ready to give their relationship a chance.

Yeah, no!

He showed it to her in practice this time. He actually stayed away when the time came. It was very clear that she accepted her when Abir and Mishti came back with the "Main bad khush hoon ki mera beta aur bahu ghar aa gaye".

Rahi baat connecting as woman ki, Meenu ke liye that was never an issue. The issue for her was always that if Mishti was given a choice to choose herself or the family, she would in the end choose herself, and that would disrupt the balance of the RV household because for Meenu, family comes first.

Originally posted by: aquaHP

Yeah, no!

He showed it to her in practice this time. He actually stayed away when the time came. It was very clear that she accepted her when Abir and Mishti came back with the "Main bad khush hoon ki mera beta aur bahu ghar aa gaye".

Rahi baat connecting as woman ki, Meenu ke liye that was never an issue. The issue for her was always that if Mishti was given a choice to choose herself or the family, she would in the end choose herself, and that would disrupt the balance of the RV household because for Meenu, family comes first.

@bold - I will disagree (what a surprise 😛). She did what Meenu wanted at kuku haldi and also left the house - for her family. She went to investigate baba (after meenu's plea to her for help) on her own GD day. She chose to give up on Abir after Nannu's drunk natak and would have gotten married if she knew Abir was OK. I don't think Mishti chose herself on those occasions, and Meenu also clearly did not expect she would.

@bold italics - While I admire Meenu for what she has done for her family, I don't actually agree that you can or should do absolutely anything for family - insulting people she doesn't consider family, causing them physical and emotional harm and so on.

Originally posted by: peacenfun

from my understanding they all have fatal flaws or blindspot:

Kuhu: Mishti or jealousy & insecurities wrt Mishti (kuku fans named it #mishtimania)

Kunal: Abir or his love/possessiveness for Abir (kuku fans named it #bhaiyopia)

Mishti: unintentionally or galti se mistake when she wants to help

Abir: opposing & doubting Meenu everytime

so Kuhu has unaddressed resentment & insurities wrt to Mishti & whenever she tries to voice them out she is being asked to brush them aside, grow-up etc., instead of being heard & then guided & reassured

(rather than being gifted a new expensive latest phone because her phone broke & BM wants Kunal's rishta to be considered for Mishti after Meenu proposes risht-swap inspite of kuhu being hurt by that rejection)

and tbh thats what kuku fans wanted kunal to do as his redemption after their 2nd wedding, because thats exactly what kuhu did when he was suffering from '#sab Mishti ki wajah se' during their 1st marriage

also Mishti has a strong support system, she is literally covered & cocooned by Abir, BP-BM, Parul and now even supported by Maama, Kunal, Jugnu

but Kuhu has Kunal as her husband who is workaholic, is most of the times #cluelesschokro, Varsha-Shaurya who have to seek BP-BM's approval/consent in almost everything since they are the elders in Maheshwari house, Jasmeet who is always brushed-off & has no stance at Maheshwaris, Nidhi maami who is labelled dumb & made fun of at RJVs

so mostly all powerful & decision-makers of both families are Mishti supporters

All characters in the show are very real. The depiction is awesome, and that is what drew me to the show. I was talking specifically about Kuhu in this instance. We could discuss other characters and their flaws but it would take things in a completely different direction.

Using the term you gave, the #mishtimania has been consistent throughout the show. As Meera mentioned, it would have been nice to show a track where this was addressed (by others who actually contributed to her insecurities, not Mishti), but that will probably happen in a day (and very unsatisfactorily) when the show is ending. I was just saying that when Kuhu stops comparing her life with Mishti's, she will be so much happier.

I had also hoped the next track would concentrate on Kuhu and Kunal, and their relationship, but that is not to be, so we just deal with it I guess.

I'll agree with you about Mishti's support system being strong, but I'm saying Kuhu (for her own sake) needs to come out of this competition mode. I will say again that what Mishti gets/doesn't get/has/doesn't have should be irrelevant to her. This imaginary competition harms her more than Mishti. Same for the expectation that MIshti should sympathize with her. Kuhu keeps saying everything is Mishti's fault, but expects Mishti to understand that she's not actually blaming Mishti, but the circumstances. I'm glad she finally blamed circumstances/fate/whatever, but the focus on Mishti apologizing to her takes away from that again.

You mention Mishti supporters - are you talking about the support system she has? the general inclination of Mahs to be accepting of whatever Mishti does while they question Kuhu? empathizing more when Mishti is hurt?

Originally posted by: angelfire78

@bold - I will disagree (what a surprise 😛). She did what Meenu wanted at kuku haldi and also left the house - for her family. She went to investigate baba (after meenu's plea to her for help) on her own GD day. She chose to give up on Abir after Nannu's drunk natak and would have gotten married if she knew Abir was OK. I don't think Mishti chose herself on those occasions, and Meenu also clearly did not expect she would.

@bold italics - While I admire Meenu for what she has done for her family, I don't actually agree that you can or should do absolutely anything for family - insulting people she doesn't consider family, causing them physical and emotional harm and so on.

I agree with the fact that you shouldn't do anything for family, especially not insulting people and causing them physical harm.

Meenu understands Mishti very well. The KuKu haldi demand was because she knew that Mishti would do everything to protect the rishta that she convinced the family for. Also, Mehul would never have reached Rajvansh house if it wasn't for Mishti. In both cases, Mishti had personal stake.

If Mishti had told Meenu's truth to the family before KuKu got married, she could have saved Kuhu from getting married into such a house. She could have kept the facts in front of the family and let them and Kuhu make the decision.

In Mehul's case, Kuhu had warned Mishti to stop Abir because it could have massive repercussions but she didn't listen to her and not did she stop ghuso-ing in a matter that she had absolutely no say in, even as Abir's girlfriend. She never thinks things through and chooses her own mann ki shanti over the consequences the family would have to bear.

Then she should have gotten married to Nannu after she found out Abir was okay. She didn't. She let the two fight it out for her in front of everyone and didn't ghuso in between because she didn't want to get married to Nannu. That's all fine. She shouldn't have to get married against her will but all I am saying that it is not an example of her being selfless. Almost no incident paints her in a selfless light. The situation always leads to her being blamed at the end or the situation arising because of her.

Originally posted by: angelfire78

All characters in the show are very real. The depiction is awesome, and that is what drew me to the show. I was talking specifically about Kuhu in this instance. We could discuss other characters and their flaws but it would take things in a completely different direction.

I know therefore restricted to explanation of Kuhu, pointed out the blindspot theory to drive home the point that all have these flaws, not just Kuhu

Using the term you gave, the #mishtimania has been consistent throughout the show. As Meera mentioned, it would have been nice to show a track where this was addressed (by others who actually contributed to her insecurities, not Mishti), but that will probably happen in a day (and very unsatisfactorily) when the show is ending. I was just saying that when Kuhu stops comparing her life with Mishti's, she will be so much happier.

and I can argue on same fatal flaws of these 4 leads, like if Mishti stops ghusaoing in others matters to help when they ask her not to, she & everyone around could be much happier

I had also hoped the next track would concentrate on Kuhu and Kunal, and their relationship, but that is not to be, so we just deal with it I guess.

I'll agree with you about Mishti's support system being strong, but I'm saying Kuhu (for her own sake) needs to come out of this competition mode. I will say again that what Mishti gets/doesn't get/have/doesn't have should be irrelevant to her. This imaginary competition harms her more than Mishti.

thats what I meant when I mentioned about kunal's redemption, kuhu needs to be told & assured by someone who she loves & trusts that her place in RJVs & Maheshwari's is safe & she doesnt need to feel threatened by Mishti being the badi bahu, jethani, Meenu's bahu etc., because everyone loves Kuhu for what Kuhu is & she & Mishti are both different people & have different places in everyone's lives

we wanted kunal to listen to kuhu's all complaints, insecurities unlike others who brush off everything she says as immature, since he himself was at a similar place wrt to Mishti & kuhu guided him & be that person for kuhu

Same for the expectation that MIshti should sympathize with her. Kuhu keeps saying everything is Mishti's fault, but expects Mishti to understand that she's not actually blaming Mishti, but the circumstances. I'm glad she finally blamed circumstances/fate/whatever, but the focus on Mishti apologizing to her takes away from that again.

You mention Mishti supporters - are you talking about the support system she has?

yes

the general inclination of Mahs to be accepting of whatever Mishti does while they question Kuhu? empathizing more when Mishti is hurt?

yes & disregarding Kuhu's feelings & complaints as childish, immature, bratty

so basically the treatment that Mishti gets

Originally posted by: aquaHP

I agree with the fact that you shouldn't do anything for family, especially not insulting people and causing them physical harm.

Meenu understands Mishti very well. The KuKu haldi demand was because she knew that Mishti would do everything to protect the rishta that she convinced the family for. Also, Mehul would never have reached Rajvansh house if it wasn't for Mishti. In both cases, Mishti had personal stake.

If Mishti had told Meenu's truth to the family before KuKu got married, she could have saved Kuhu from getting married into such a house. She could have kept the facts in front of the family and let them and Kuhu make the decision.

In Mehul's case, Kuhu had warned Mishti to stop Abir because it could have massive repercussions but she didn't listen to her and not did she stop ghuso-ing in a matter that she had absolutely no say in, even as Abir's girlfriend. She never thinks things through and chooses her own mann ki shanti over the consequences the family would have to bear.

Then she should have gotten married to Nannu after she found out Abir was okay. She didn't. She let the two fight it out for her in front of everyone and didn't ghuso in between because she didn't want to get married to Nannu. That's all fine. She shouldn't have to get married against her will but all I am saying that it is not an example of her being selfless. Almost no incident paints her in a selfless light. The situation always leads to her being blamed at the end or the situation arising because of her.

@bold - Meenu's own words that she would do this to keep her family happy, not because this was a rishta she convinced the family for but one Kuhu was insistent she wanted. I will remind you again that Mishti was also convinced Kunal wanted to rishta too. Knowing Meenu's truth would have had the family canceling the rishta and Kuhu blaming Mishti again because she was convinced Kunal loved her. Also, all Kuhu did when Meenu told the family she didn't want Mishti at the wedding was ask Mishti to keep away. Kuhu already knew about Kunal and cooperated with him to blame Mishti for the emails, I cannot see how knowing this would have made her behave any differently.

@bold italics - Yes, Mishti helped find and bring Mehul back for Abir after having heard about his life-long search for baba. You really think she should suddenly pay more attention to what Kuhu asks her to do than Abir? Does Kuhu ever pay any attention to Mishti? Do they have that kind of relationship? I do not expect either Mishti or Kuhu to listen to the other. She brought Abir face to face with his baba, which is what he wanted and she had promised him she would help him in his search. How does that become a matter she has no say in? Actually, we'll never agree on this baba thing. Too many repetitive arguments. So my suggestion is that we drop it here.

@blue - there's a difference between not thinking through all the consequences for family and consciously choosing one's own peace of mind. I will go with the former for Mishti rather than the latter.

@green - She clearly told him - I don't love you but will marry you if that is what you want. If she had gotten married to him without saying that, it would have been worse for both of them. She still being willing to marry nannu is for the sake of family. If she really wanted her own happiness, she could have said she would marry Abir or no other with him standing right there next to her.

@red - depends on what lens you use to view I guess. Not in mine.

Originally posted by: Rashi23

Four leads? 🤣I think everybody (including the actors playing those characters) knows who are leads n who are sideys

@bold

🤣

Originally posted by: angelfire78

@bold - Meenu's own words that she would do this to keep her family happy, not because this was a rishta she convinced the family for but one Kuhu was insistent she wanted. I will remind you again that Mishti was also convinced Kunal wanted to rishta too. Knowing Meenu's truth would have had the family canceling the rishta and Kuhu blaming Mishti again because she was convinced Kunal loved her. Also, all Kuhu did when Meenu told the family she didn't want Mishti at the wedding was ask Mishti to keep away. Kuhu already knew about Kunal and cooperated with him to blame Mishti for the emails, I cannot see how knowing this would have made her behave any differently.

@bold italics - Yes, Mishti helped find and bring Mehul back for Abir after having heard about his life-long search for baba. You really think she should suddenly pay more attention to what Kuhu asks her to do than Abir? Does Kuhu ever pay any attention to Mishti? Do they have that kind of relationship? I do not expect either Mishti or Kuhu to listen to the other. She brought Abir face to face with his baba, which is what he wanted and she had promised him she would help him in his search. How does that become a matter she has no say in? Actually, we'll never agree on this baba thing. Too many repetitive arguments. So my suggestion is that we drop it here.

@blue - there's a difference between not thinking through all the consequences for family and consciously choosing once own peace of mind. I will go with the former for Mishti rather than the latter.

@green - She clearly told him - I don't love you but will marry you if that is what you want. If she had gotten married to him without saying that, it would have been worse for both of them. She still being willing to marry nannu is for the sake of family. If she really wanted her own happiness, she could have said she would marry Abir or no other with him standing right there next to her.

@red - depends on what lens you use to view I guess. Not in mine.

I don't agree on any of these points because I have analysed all characters inside and out, and with multiple people and my analysis still stands. If you decide to remove the clutter of the music, camera close-ups and the OTT-ness of the show, I doubt anyone would come out supporting Mishti or Abir. Their relationship fell apart for me the moment Abir decided to keep humiliating the Maheshwari's in public in the name of love and crashing her wedding functions (also the fact that he broke the brocode and decided to go after Mishti right after his brother broke up with Mishti. The guy didn't even wait). If I was in Mishti's place, I would never get married to Abir or vice versa seeing the Nishmish attack, and the fact that she spent two months crying her eyes out (before Nannu had to be like "I will get you what you want") when she had an actual chance to do what she had wanted to do before getting married: work.