The complicated dynamics...

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Hi guys,


I have written yet another very long post to bore ya'all 😛 Kindly forgive the length.

The views expressed are personal and the intent is definitely not to sound patronizing or bash any character. There might just be some repetitiveness even, but all in all the post sums up what I feel about the recent episodes.



At any given point of time despite of her harsh words I feel convinced about Kuhu’s intentions and actions and the fact that her heart is at the right place. However when it comes to Mishti I really have to try hard to understand where she is coming from and whether or not she does always mean well (as far as Kuhu is concerned)


For instance,

Kuhu did realize her demand of getting married to Kunal on the same day as MishBir would have hurt Mishti, you could just sense she knew Mishti was affected and wanted to check out if she was okay.


When she almost pleads Mishti to understand that she did not deliberately damage the necklace which was supposed to be given as nek, you simply know she was being genuine.


Kuhu was the first person to call out Mishti’s name out of concern when Mishti fell on holika dehen night (of cos she was also walking in the that direction so it was easier for her to see but she quickly came to Mishti’s aid just as Abir did)


Notice how she also asks if Mishti was okay after they fell together in the pool in one of the episodes this week.


These are gestures of care and concern which I really appreciate and which convey that no matter what she says, Kuhu always looks out for her sister.

In contrast Mishti’s love and concern for Kuhu doesn’t naturally come through, and then you begin to question if it is even there or not. One of my friends put it in the best manner possible –

Kuhu always wanted from Mishti a confidante but Mishti always looked at Kuhu as responsibility.



What I see happening is Mishti takes Kuhu’s actions at face value and she is skeptical of her intentions because she has not been able to understand her sister. On the other hand, Kuhu is one person who having lived with Mishti for all these years has understood what a twisted person she is. In that sense thinking from Kuhu’s perspective it wouldn’t be wrong to say that living with Mishti is also very tough.


All of the above said, the idea is certainly not to say that Mishti is some villainous person. Or that she is the root cause of why the sisters’ equation is the way it is. Mishti and Kuhu have not been able to empathize with each other for the different set of struggles they face because they have not been able to put themselves in one another’s shoes and see what their struggles are.


It is ironic and funny in way but Abir and Kunal’s rather childish attempts did in some ways manage to make the sisters come together even if their actual issues remained unresolved. Which made me think that maybe the very adult like approach of sitting and discussing doesn’t always work in the favour of all equations especially when two people are so not on the same page. Maybe it needs peculiar situations for them to come together and to be able to express that they are not each other’s foes.




I have been super off put by Mishti’s insistence about Abir holding Kuhu culpable despite of him having done so in his own way but here's bit of an attempt on understanding where she might be coming from-


a) Telling on about Kuhu is Mishti’s age old habit and she has always resorted to that at their own house, thus it’s difficult for her to not follow that now (even though earlier she had herself decided to keep the truth to herself considering how it could have created a rift in the family.)

Or maybe Mishti only likes to take certain decisions when she wants to take them not when she’s been asked to take them. Remember when she did not want to work in Red Pear because she wanted to create a separate identity for herself rather than working in the same company as her prospective husband’s. But we do see her working in the same NGO now as Abir.

b) The Rajvansh family isn’t like Maheswari family where Mishti would be constantly hailed and looked at as the ideal child. There is no favoritism going on here. It is tough to make a place in the fam or stand out in the ways Kuhu did, so probably pin pointing at Kuhu’s flaws would make Mishti feel that she at least has some edge.

c) Maybe it’s Kuhu’s past actions that are weighing heavy on Mishti’s mind.

You took away my mandap, I let it go,

You damaged the necklace which was supposed to be my gift, I did not tell anyone.

You spiked Abir’s coffee, I did not share such an important truth with the family either.

But despite of all of the above if today I only have to see Abir not siding with me but with you then it is very upsetting..


Abir’s thought process might be on the right track with regards to how he should be handling a situation concerning Kuhu, but in rendering Mishti alone over the tussle he would not be helping matters. Which is what makes me feel all the more sad about how Mishti and Kuhu’s relationship is because had they been on good terms they could have been each other’s support in the sasuraal instead of looking at one another as competition.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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And really sorry guys, ya'll must be thinking is this the only topic I feel like making post about no matter the discussions that have already taken place in the forum. I know like a broken tape recorder I am sorta stuck on the relationship between the sisters :-/ But not gonna lie this is all I could think of writing atm.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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i will say u some points which i observed... i wont support anyone but i will put their actions...


when kuku is about to happen... mishti prayed to god to not get pimple on kuhu's face because kuhu is very concious about these things...


mishti went to temple and offered god some garland as she dont want any hurdles in kuku relation due to her father...


mishti asked kuhu is she okay or not after coming to paghphera to MAH and kuhu dont want a say a word to mishti as she will laugh on her which is assumed by kuhu and she bad mouthed about her love for abir...


mishti did much for kuku marriage and she always suffered the burnt of meenu and kunal plans...kuhu asked mishti to aplogise to meenu and others as she heard wrong date of their marriage announcement which actually meenu who trapped her in that but kuhu never believed her in that and e-mail fisaco she wanted to trap mishti and knows what will happen in family but she did because she also want to show mishti down and haldi which mishti did... i wont take mishti side here but if she say about this kuhu wont beleive her and kuhu asks her to shut mishti as she cant see kuhu's happiness...


mandap matter... (just before few hours u slapped her and you are not even sorry for that and asked mandap and she gave it you and u need first marriage before her just because she ruined your life (and kunal is not responsible for anything in that matter) and u set bangles and expect reaction from her... and if she didnt react then also its her problem) but for u need something... if she dont want to talk then why u cant keep calm...


coming to sasuraal things...


when meenu asked kuhu about first rasoi thing of mishti... kuhu said mishti cant cook and she was always into books and once she tried but she failed very badly (this never looked any concern from kuhu to mishti but rather looked like she dont want mishti to do anything and get lime light which is heard by mishti when she said these to meenu)


pills fisaco (first mishti didnt even doubt kuhu but when she bad mouthed about her to meenu her doubts got raised... when she dont even know the truth then why she should de mean mishti... that she dont how to be in a joint family and she takes decisions according to her wish..) kuhu always left ends to her actions...


kuhu said to mishti she spiked it for her but abir drank it and here i give benifit of doubt because its writers fault...


same thing when said to abir she said it happened mistakenly and pills are in my hand and why i will harm you when i supported u going against my bro nishanth...(kuhu just uses every situation according to her convience)


last but not least kuhu and mishti dont trust each other, cant rely on each other and both are responsible for that... the have love but they wont accept and show it...


one more thing mishti dont hate kuhu but kuhu hates mishti and it said by kuhu many times...

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Hi Nikkie!

I am going to be honest here. I am not really sure I fully understand the post here because correct me if I am wrong, you said that you don't really understand the motivations behind the actions of either character in a situation where both of them are involved, but of all the recent scenes, you get Kuhu's side of the story more so than Mishti??

Having said that I wasn't able to fully comprehend the post, there was one point, you mentioned, that I found very interesting:

"The Rajvansh family isn’t like Maheswari family where Mishti would be constantly hailed and looked at as the ideal child. There is no favoritism going on here. It is tough to make a place in the fam or stand out in the ways Kuhu did, so probably pin pointing at Kuhu’s flaws would make Mishti feel that she at least has some edge."

I feel this point does have some merit because the Maheshwaris have different ways to deal with the two sisters which seems to speak volumes and makes me laugh every time they say that they treat all their kids equally. Who are they trying to fool here?🤨

The most recent example I can think of is during Holi. When Mishti visited the MH, BM and Varsha both see Mishti being upset and ask her to tell them the reason. They hear her out and pacify her whereas when they saw Kuhu being upset on the day of Holi, the same women chided her like she was a tantrum throwing kid and didn't even to listen to her or try to understand why she was upset. Instead, they scolded her and left her to be miserable. No wonder she wanted to get out of the house the first chance she got.

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Mishbir Wedding -

1 Kuhu demanded Mishti's mandap - Mishti gave up

2 Kuhu demanded first marriage as she feared time running out - Mishti gave up

3 5 minutes left of Muhurt, Kuhu demands a selfie - Nobody gave an F because obviously


After all this, after getting everything it was Kuhu getting jealous over Mishti's wedding, it was like she did not want Mishti to get a happy life at all


After Marriage -


1 When told only Mishti's bidai will be there, Kuhu tried to trip and break diya in Mishti's hand - Mishti went to Kuhu and told her that she does not want any fight, she tried to bury the hatchet


2 Mishti's first rasoi had Kuhu belittling Mishti in front of Meenu - Mishti prepared brownie, again trying to mend her relationship with Kuhu


3 Kuhu again in her jealousy and insecurity was trying to hold on to something which belonged to Mishti - The necklace, and broke it, instead of owning up to her mistake she tried to trap Nidhi and other people


4 Mishti was mad at Kuhu and asked her to stay away from shivratri Pooja as it is very important for Abir - Kuhu puts pills in Mishti's cup which was consumed by Abir. Kuhu did not drink it but she did not stop her husband 🙆‍♀️


5 Kuhu got to do Pooja, Mishti - Abir missed it, knowing it was because of her that they missed it, when Meenu asked her Kuhu again insulted Mishti (Mishti heard it), heart at right place would at least have defended that Mishti didn't consume alcohol instead she projected Mishti as someone who does everything according to her wish and she did not want Abir to do Pooja with his family


6 After everything blew up, Kuhu put blame on Parul Masi, lied to Kunal when caught she put the blame on Mishti for NOT drinking coffee


7 Kunal announced Parul as his mother and Kuhu broke Mishbir's photo frames and threatened Mishti



You say Kuhu has her heart at right place and Mishti wants to put her down because Kuhu is superwoman of the Rajvansh family, I have pointed out many instances where Kuhu has tried to put Mishti down in front of everyone by her lies, what has Mishti does? Can you tell me one incident where Mishti went to Kuhu to threaten her or hurt her? Where has Mishti lied about Kuhu?


I don't understand why telling the TRUTH about Kuhu is Mishti trying to put her down, so Mishti has to tolerate this misbehavior from Kuhu because her heart is situated at a place considered good by you? I don't see heart in lying to her husband, harming people intentionally and threatening people


Even if you see Kuhu regret her actions, Mishti doesn't see it, because all Kuhu does in front of Mishti is harm her, Mishti is her victim, did Kuhu apologize to Mishti for coffee incident, no she blamed her for not drinking it

Edited by NoraSM - 5 years ago
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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: ruhi19

i will say u some points which i observed... i wont support anyone but i will put their actions...


when kuku is about to happen... mishti prayed to god to not get pimple on kuhu's face because kuhu is very concious about these things...


mishti went to temple and offered god some garland as she dont want any hurdles in kuku relation due to her father...


mishti asked kuhu is she okay or not after coming to paghphera to MAH and kuhu dont want a say a word to mishti as she will laugh on her which is assumed by kuhu and she bad mouthed about her love for abir...


mishti did much for kuku marriage and she always suffered the burnt of meenu and kunal plans...kuhu asked mishti to aplogise to meenu and others as she heard wrong date of their marriage announcement which actually meenu who trapped her in that but kuhu never believed her in that and e-mail fisaco she wanted to trap mishti and knows what will happen in family but she did because she also want to show mishti down and haldi which mishti did... i wont take mishti side here but if she say about this kuhu wont beleive her and kuhu asks her to shut mishti as she cant see kuhu's happiness...


mandap matter... (just before few hours u slapped her and you are not even sorry for that and asked mandap and she gave it you and u need first marriage before her just because she ruined your life (and kunal is not responsible for anything in that matter) and u set bangles and expect reaction from her... and if she didnt react then also its her problem) but for u need something... if she dont want to talk then why u cant keep calm...


coming to sasuraal things...


when meenu asked kuhu about first rasoi thing of mishti... kuhu said mishti cant cook and she was always into books and once she tried but she failed very badly (this never looked any concern from kuhu to mishti but rather looked like she dont want mishti to do anything and get lime light which is heard by mishti when she said these to meenu)


pills fisaco (first mishti didnt even doubt kuhu but when she bad mouthed about her to meenu her doubts got raised... when she dont even know the truth then why she should de mean mishti... that she dont how to be in a joint family and she takes decisions according to her wish..) kuhu always left ends to her actions...


kuhu said to mishti she spiked it for her but abir drank it and here i give benifit of doubt because its writers fault...


same thing when said to abir she said it happened mistakenly and pills are in my hand and why i will harm you when i supported u going against my bro nishanth...(kuhu just uses every situation according to her convience)


last but not least kuhu and mishti dont trust each other, cant rely on each other and both are responsible for that... the have love but they wont accept and show it...


one more thing mishti dont hate kuhu but kuhu hates mishti and it said by kuhu many times...


Clearly we share very different povs... let's just agree to disagree.


Thanks for reading and commenting!

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: aquaHP

Hi Nikkie!

I am going to be honest here. I am not really sure I fully understand the post here because correct me if I am wrong, you said that you don't really understand the motivations behind the actions of either character in a situation where both of them are involved, but of all the recent scenes, you get Kuhu's side of the story more so than Mishti??

Naah mate, what I wanted to say was that I understand Kuhu would never intentionally want to hurt Mishti. And if she does end up doing so we would see her being regretful.


On the other hand, with Mishti she might end up doing something hurtful but wouldn't self-reflect or feel any remorse for doing so. At times in fact she remains oblivious that she has even hurt Kuhu in any way.


And they do not see each other's struggles as in Kuhu doesn't understand why Mishti constantly feels like she has to earn her place to get acceptance be it in maika or sasuraal. And Mishti doesn't understand how BP and BM's years of partiality has impacted Kuhu.


Having said that I wasn't able to fully comprehend the post, there was one point, you mentioned, that I found very interesting:

"The Rajvansh family isn’t like Maheswari family where Mishti would be constantly hailed and looked at as the ideal child. There is no favoritism going on here. It is tough to make a place in the fam or stand out in the ways Kuhu did, so probably pin pointing at Kuhu’s flaws would make Mishti feel that she at least has some edge."

I feel this point does have some merit because the Maheshwaris have different ways to deal with the two sisters which seems to speak volumes and makes me laugh every time they say that they treat all their kids equally. Who are they trying to fool here?🤨


The most recent example I can think of is during Holi. When Mishti visited the MH, BM and Varsha both see Mishti being upset and ask her to tell them the reason. They hear her out and pacify her whereas when they saw Kuhu being upset on the day of Holi, the same women chided her like she was a tantrum throwing kid and didn't even to listen to her or try to understand why she was upset. Instead, they scolded her and left her to be miserable. No wonder she wanted to get out of the house the first chance she got.


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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: NoraSM

Mishbir Wedding -

1 Kuhu demanded Mishti's mandap - Mishti gave up

2 Kuhu demanded first marriage as she feared time running out - Mishti gave up

3 5 minutes left of Muhurt, Kuhu demands a selfie - Nobody gave an F because obviously


After all this, after getting everything it was Kuhu getting jealous over Mishti's wedding, it was like she did not want Mishti to get a happy life at all


After Marriage -


1 When told only Mishti's bidai will be there, Kuhu tried to trip and break diya in Mishti's hand - Mishti went to Kuhu and told her that she does not want any fight, she tried to bury the hatchet


2 Mishti's first rasoi had Kuhu belittling Mishti in front of Meenu - Mishti prepared brownie, again trying to mend her relationship with Kuhu


3 Kuhu again in her jealousy and insecurity was trying to hold on to something which belonged to Mishti - The necklace, and broke it, instead of owning up to her mistake she tried to trap Nidhi and other people


4 Mishti was mad at Kuhu and asked her to stay away from shivratri Pooja as it is very important for Abir - Kuhu puts pills in Mishti's cup which was consumed by Abir. Kuhu did not drink it but she did not stop her husband 🙆‍♀️


5 Kuhu got to do Pooja, Mishti - Abir missed it, knowing it was because of her that they missed it, when Meenu asked her Kuhu again insulted Mishti (Mishti heard it), heart at right place would at least have defended that Mishti didn't consume alcohol instead she projected Mishti as someone who does everything according to her wish and she did not want Abir to do Pooja with his family


6 After everything blew up, Kuhu put blame on Parul Masi, lied to Kunal when caught she put the blame on Mishti for NOT drinking coffee


7 Kunal announced Parul as his mother and Kuhu broke Mishbir's photo frames and threatened Mishti



You say Kuhu has her heart at right place and Mishti wants to put her down because Kuhu is superwoman of the Rajvansh family, I have pointed out many instances where Kuhu has tried to put Mishti down in front of everyone by her lies, what has Mishti does? Can you tell me one incident where Mishti went to Kuhu to threaten her or hurt her? Where has Mishti lied about Kuhu?


I don't understand why telling the TRUTH about Kuhu is Mishti trying to put her down, so Mishti has to tolerate this misbehavior from Kuhu because her heart is situated at a place considered good by you? I don't see heart in lying to her husband, harming people intentionally and threatening people


Even if you see Kuhu regret her actions, Mishti doesn't see it, because all Kuhu does in front of Mishti is harm her, Mishti is her victim, did Kuhu apologize to Mishti for coffee incident, no she blamed her for not drinking it


@bold there was a whole lot more to it which Kuhu couldn't say to Mishti because the sequence of events was such it would not have been easy to explain.


@blue yep that's where the discord is, isn't it?

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: beguiling

Naah mate, what I wanted to say was that I understand Kuhu would never intentionally want to hurt Mishti. And if she does end up doing so we would see her being regretful.


On the other hand, with Mishti she might end up doing something hurtful but wouldn't self-reflect or feel any remorse for doing so. At times in fact she remains oblivious that she has even hurt Kuhu in any way.


And they do not see each other's struggles as in Kuhu doesn't understand why Mishti constantly feels like she has to earn her place to get acceptance be it in maika or sasuraal. And Mishti doesn't understand how BP and BM's years of partiality has impacted Kuhu.

Oh yes!!! You are so right!! We very rarely see Mishti reflecting on her actions where Kuhu is involved. She used to in the beginning but now, she doesn't even know when she has hurt her but I guess that is totally because how fast the events in her life have been.

Actually, both of their actions are because they haven't had time to process stuff since Nishant left. They both have been on the emotional rollercoaster in the 2 weeks (story timeline).

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Hiya,smiley1

You have written an interesting post, it was very nice to read. I can tell you have pondered a lot about the relationship between the sisters. I have this tendency to look at the whole rather than pieces and how the characters are behaving. Every point you made, had a counter point and we were shown that. I find it hard to look at one thing in isolation and ignore the rest....

For instance the mandaap issue...clearly shown Kuhu wanted to score point, threw her demand for the mandaap as a condition of re-marriage. So how does it matter she then shows concern? she got what she wanted, which is to spoil Mishti's day. It is like pushing someone, then showing concern they got hurt..duh, you hurt them in the first place!😳😆 ...anyway I won't bother with more as few people have already given more points.

I look at the arcs and both Mishti and Kuhu are human, make mistakes but one does own up and apologies, keeps quiet if she thinks it will hurt others or create problems but does finally admit when it looks like it will personally affect someone she loves or cares about. The other, again consistent with her arc, is letting her sense of entitlement and enemity against one person (whom she is clearly jealous of and feels insecure about) colour her good judgement and does things that in real life is an indicator of someone who is mentally ill or at least a murderess in the making. To me this just means the writers are being correct and consistent😆

What we are shown is that sometimes love and other emotions can take people down the wrong path....we are seeing this play out between Mishkul. At the moment Kuhu is shades of black, but in some scenes are being shown how she was before letting others poison her mind, letting her insecurity about Mishti colour her and etc. Like real life our past actions make people judge us even if we are being at our best...it just means like real life, if you do one bad action you will have to do ten good actions before you are believed.

Writing techniques means we will see more of this rivalry, there is no wrong or right...it is what is, Mishti is the heroine and Kuhu is her sister who will complicate her life and vice versa. Their love is the tie and sometimes it is weak and other times it will be strong. The question is what will win? love or hate? Everything we see is a play of that theme between them.

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