Posted: 2 years ago
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I am so mad about Akshu's character assassination at every step. I mean, is she a stupid, reckless person who doesn't care about anyone, or is she a kind, loving soul who was mistreated by everyone? There is a huge disconnect between how the character is portrayed and the actual story. We never get her POV either, so it's really up to the viewers to stitch together what she must have thought during important scenes. Even though her character has remained the most consistent, it's hard to figure out if she just has bad luck or is actually stupid, and other people should make the decisions for her ( obviously problematic ).


For me personally, Ak is a character with a lot of trauma and love who gets into bad situations while trying to do good in the world. She needs a LOT of therapy like everyone else in the show, but beyond that, I don't see anything else wrong with her. I don't connect her stupid decisions with her character and really think it's just bad writing.


But it's hard to separate a character from the writing. They have turned her into this stupid and self-righteous person who will never admit their mistakes and will keep hurting people around them. If that is the female lead, then who is rooting for her? Why has she been given exactly zero wins? Are we even supposed to root for her?


Ak seems defined by the people who love her. From the beginning, we saw her through Abhi's eyes. He thought she was the most amazing person, so we did too. Was he delusional then or now? Now Abhinav sees her as this perfect wife and mom, and we do too. But being defined by the male characters means we never get to see the real Akshu. I think this is more about both male leads putting Ak on a pedestal. In the beginning, Abhi saw Ak as perfect and could do no wrong, and that slowly went away, and he was shocked at her making even small human mistakes. Similarly, Nav has never once gone against Ak in all this time and thought she was the perfect wife and perfect mom, and the moment she makes one tiny mistake, he bursts on her. In all of this, Ak is constantly being defined by other people and not by herself. So one moment, we are supposed to love her, and the next, be angry at her. If we want to support her at all, we have to come up with narratives in our own heads to do that cause she is a black box.

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Posted: 2 years ago
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A doctor being an asshole to a severely sick kid will trigger anyone. Akshara did not make a (tiny) mistake at all, and Abhinav did not absolve himself from the guilt and anxiety he was feeling by solely blaming Akshara.

He was blaming himself as well and mindlessly ranting at his spouse when he did not have any control in a dire situation. Where none of the variables could be adjusted by him. It was not nice but understandable. If he had insisted that Abhir play the game because the kid himself kept befooling his parents so that he could do so, then Akshara's outburst on Abhinav would have made sense too. What I am seeing here is one parent spiraling, and the other trying to rationalise the situation. It could have happened the other way around and still made sense given the situation. But largely it was the doctor who was disgusting and responsible for the mess today.

You never ever ever belittle a patient or escalate the situation with a caregiver. Abhir could have died because of him, and Akshnav should sue him regardless.

I wonder if we watched the same episode; y'all legit pretend like married couples don't have stressful idiotic fights. Either he rectifies his mistake or Akshara gives it back to him.

That's how it works in relationships. People just don't have divorce papers lying around to throw in their spouses' faces everytime they are going through shit

Edited by Deltablues - 2 years ago
Posted: 2 years ago
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Originally posted by: lagjagale

I am so mad about Akshu's character assassination at every step. I mean, is she a stupid, reckless person who doesn't care about anyone, or is she a kind, loving soul who was mistreated by everyone? There is a huge disconnect between how the character is portrayed and the actual story. We never get her POV either, so it's really up to the viewers to stitch together what she must have thought during important scenes. Even though her character has remained the most consistent, it's hard to figure out if she just has bad luck or is actually stupid, and other people should make the decisions for her ( obviously problematic ).


For me personally, Ak is a character with a lot of trauma and love who gets into bad situations while trying to do good in the world. She needs a LOT of therapy like everyone else in the show, but beyond that, I don't see anything else wrong with her. I don't connect her stupid decisions with her character and really think it's just bad writing.


But it's hard to separate a character from the writing. They have turned her into this stupid and self-righteous person who will never admit their mistakes and will keep hurting people around them. If that is the female lead, then who is rooting for her? Why has she been given exactly zero wins? Are we even supposed to root for her?


Ak seems defined by the people who love her. From the beginning, we saw her through Abhi's eyes. He thought she was the most amazing person, so we did too. Was he delusional then or now? Now Abhinav sees her as this perfect wife and mom, and we do too. But being defined by the male characters means we never get to see the real Akshu. I think this is more about both male leads putting Ak on a pedestal. In the beginning, Abhi saw Ak as perfect and could do no wrong, and that slowly went away, and he was shocked at her making even small human mistakes. Similarly, Nav has never once gone against Ak in all this time and thought she was the perfect wife and perfect mom, and the moment she makes one tiny mistake, he bursts on her. In all of this, Ak is constantly being defined by other people and not by herself. So one moment, we are supposed to love her, and the next, be angry at her. If we want to support her at all, we have to come up with narratives in our own heads to do that cause she is a black box.

Kind of fed up of second guessing Aksharas pov! We just have to make up whatever suits us best!

It's not just in this track but previously too!

She's just used as a plot device for Abhimanyu and now for abhinav!


I was so rooting for her this leap! Like that divorce/miscarriage day really pulled at my heartstrings! But without a pov for over three months since leap I have lost interest! I understand what they are trying to show with abhinav and Foster dad's! But in all this Akshara is lost! She doesn't have her original characteristics nor Anything likable in her current form!

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Posted: 2 years ago
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I am so mad about Akshu's character assassination at every step. I mean, is she a stupid, reckless person who doesn't care about anyone, or is she a kind, loving soul who was mistreated by everyone? There is a huge disconnect between how the character is portrayed and the actual story. We never get her POV either, so it's really up to the viewers to stitch together what she must have thought during important scenes. Even though her character has remained the most consistent, it's hard to figure out if she just has bad luck or is actually stupid, and other people should make the decisions for her ( obviously problematic ).


For me personally, Ak is a character with a lot of trauma and love who gets into bad situations while trying to do good in the world. She needs a LOT of therapy like everyone else in the show, but beyond that, I don't see anything else wrong with her. I don't connect her stupid decisions with her character and really think it's just bad writing.


But it's hard to separate a character from the writing. They have turned her into this stupid and self-righteous person who will never admit their mistakes and will keep hurting people around them. If that is the female lead, then who is rooting for her? Why has she been given exactly zero wins? Are we even supposed to root for her?


Ak seems defined by the people who love her. From the beginning, we saw her through Abhi's eyes. He thought she was the most amazing person, so we did too. Was he delusional then or now? Now Abhinav sees her as this perfect wife and mom, and we do too. But being defined by the male characters means we never get to see the real Akshu. I think this is more about both male leads putting Ak on a pedestal. In the beginning, Abhi saw Ak as perfect and could do no wrong, and that slowly went away, and he was shocked at her making even small human mistakes. Similarly, Nav has never once gone against Ak in all this time and thought she was the perfect wife and perfect mom, and the moment she makes one tiny mistake, he bursts on her. In all of this, Ak is constantly being defined by other people and not by herself. So one moment, we are supposed to love her, and the next, be angry at her. If we want to support her at all, we have to come up with narratives in our own heads to do that cause she is a black box.

[/QUOTEExactly ...The same feel I also get all the time..Ak what is she ??? then no feelings of guilt regret nothing for what she do...Behaves like I'm right always no one need to question me type of person but people say she is kind and all...I never understand her ...Actually today she should have said that right I shouldn't have send him for match like that but here Nav said .just my pov...

Posted: 2 years ago
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I think you may have missed the point a bit. I am talking about Ak always being targeted by the writers itself and never given a POV. I am not bashing Nav for what he said. I do think he has been keeping Ak on a pedestal and this mistake overreaction is similar to Abhi's reactions in the beginning of their marriage. Again, please realize the post is more about Ak than Abhi or Nav. I fear the Ak-Nav relationship will slowly undergo a similar blame game that happened with Ak-abhi because that is what happens when the female character is put on a pedestal and then stripped down. They(writers) have done this again and again.


First Ak was perfect little angel who got manipulated by Arohi, then she became insensitive and someone who pokes her nose in other people's business. She went from being the perfect girl for Abhi to being not fit to be a birla bahu and that was entirely the male narrative. The first leap we all thought would be about Ak's huge sacrifice, but the way they portrayed it, just made Ak seem stupid and Abhi's questions about her mahanta instead made more sense. Then he went too far and that made her seem better again. Then he went back to loving her, and the cycle repeats with no real POV or reasoning for Ak's actions. We have the pregnancy issue where again Ak is seen as this amazing mother who wants to risk her life for her kids and then immediately it's more about Abhi being worried and anxious and Ak doing stupid stuff till she gets both her kids and Neil killed. Again to this date, no proper POV on that.


Tell me why does Nav love Ak beyond she gave him a family in the form of Abhir and a home she worked hard for ( mostly cause of Abhir ) ?

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Posted: 2 years ago
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Please abhimanyu fell in love with her by hearing her sing, let's not start about vacuous love stories. Your post very much was about a comparision between Nav—who was ranting at his wife for collective parental negligence, and Abhimanyu blaming her for the death of a person, and miscarriage of a foetus despite being a doctor himself. And SHE was the patient and victim in that situation.

This blaming wife for miscarriage never sits right with me even when my favourite character did it and even if, the couple was shown to be mutually destructive in the trauma of the miscarriage. The ML in that show went on a self-punishing path while the FL was shown to be strong and independent. He did not feel entitled to get back with her and his monologues clearly showed that she had every right to move on even if he was pining and wasting away for her.

More than that Abhimanyu brought up Seerat's—her mother's— death intentionally to even the score with Akshara.

She is the caregiver in this situation responsible for a child's well being alongside Abhinav.

These two are not similar situations at all. And they have shown her PoV regarding being anxious about losing Abhinav, they have made her clearly say her piece to both Abhimanyu and Arohi. But no, unless she states that she loves Abhimanyu, they are not showing her PoV.

I don't care if Akshnav are not the endgame, and Abhira are the first love story God ever wrote but you're drawing false equivalencies here.

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Posted: 2 years ago
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Ok you are literally not getting the point of the post at ALL. I never drew a comparison between the white day and this. I did draw a comparison between both Abhi and Nav idolizing Ak and how that's a negative idea for female characters in general.


Please stop making this post about Abhi and Nav, that's literally the problem from the beginning. I agree that Abhira love story also didn't have Ak in it. That's the whole point of the post ! Who is Akshu ? What is her POV ? Why does Abhi love her beyond her music ? Why does she love Abhi ? Why does she react to somethings and have no reaction to others ?


The narrative had entirely been about the male leads, and that is problematic and makes for a confusing characterization of Ak.


And this is not just about Ak. In ITV most female leads are glorified and idealized and then brought down, but with Ak this has been severe to an extent where it's hard to root for her.


Nav is glorified too btw, but male characters usually can get away with having flaws, even when they are revealed later on. The whole problem that at least I have with Nav is how much they have tired to present him as AA. This means that anything he now does ( like reacting at the hospital ), will be much worse. Here I am talking in Nav's favor. His reaction is normal in that situation, but the way his character has been till now makes it harder to digest.


In general, can we keep this one post about Akshu. I don't want to discuss Abhi or Nav too much, because I think the female lead deserves to have her story told and it's just not happening in the show.

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Posted: 2 years ago
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Originally posted by: lagjagale

Ok you are literally not getting the point of the post at ALL. I never drew a comparison between the white day and this. I did draw a comparison between both Abhi and Nav idolizing Ak and how that's a negative idea for female characters in general.


Please stop making this post about Abhi and Nav, that's literally the problem from the beginning. I agree that Abhira love story also didn't have Ak in it. That's the whole point of the post ! Who is Akshu ? What is her POV ? Why does Abhi love her beyond her music ? Why does she love Abhi ? Why does she react to somethings and have no reaction to others ?


The narrative had entirely been about the male leads, and that is problematic and makes for a confusing characterization of Ak.


And this is not just about Ak. In ITV most female leads are glorified and idealized and then brought down, but with Ak this has been severe to an extent where it's hard to root for her.


Nav is glorified too btw, but male characters usually can get away with having flaws, even when they are revealed later on. The whole problem that at least I have with Nav is how much they have tired to present him as AA. This means that anything he now does ( like reacting at the hospital ), will be much worse. Here I am talking in Nav's favor. His reaction is normal in that situation, but the way his character has been till now makes it harder to digest.


In general, can we keep this one post about Akshu. I don't want to discuss Abhi or Nav too much, because I think the female lead deserves to have her story told and it's just not happening in the show.

I think you're mistaking finding her character two-dimensional with them not showing her PoV. Those are literally two different things. Because they are showing her story only. The focus on Abhimanyu's blood connection or whatever, as disgusting as I find "blood narrative", is to engage all factions of the audience and keep both the ship hooked. They are either keeping the endgame very open ended (they could run with the fake marriage trope if Abhira were the predetermined endgame) or going upma way with two parallel couples. Either way, they will drag this Abhir sickness/paternity mess for four-five months.

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Posted: 2 years ago
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Originally posted by: lagjagale

I am so mad about Akshu's character assassination at every step. I mean, is she a stupid, reckless person who doesn't care about anyone, or is she a kind, loving soul who was mistreated by everyone? There is a huge disconnect between how the character is portrayed and the actual story. We never get her POV either, so it's really up to the viewers to stitch together what she must have thought during important scenes. Even though her character has remained the most consistent, it's hard to figure out if she just has bad luck or is actually stupid, and other people should make the decisions for her ( obviously problematic ).




Ak seems defined by the people who love her. From the beginning, we saw her through Abhi's eyes. He thought she was the most amazing person, so we did too. Was he delusional then or now? Now Abhinav sees her as this perfect wife and mom, and we do too. But being defined by the male characters means we never get to see the real Akshu. I think this is more about both male leads putting Ak on a pedestal. In the beginning, Abhi saw Ak as perfect and could do no wrong, and that slowly went away, and he was shocked at her making even small human mistakes. Similarly, Nav has never once gone against Ak in all this time and thought she was the perfect wife and perfect mom, and the moment she makes one tiny mistake, he bursts on her. In all of this, Ak is constantly being defined by other people and not by herself. So one moment, we are supposed to love her, and the next, be angry at her. If we want to support her at all, we have to come up with narratives in our own heads to do that cause she is a black box.

Stupid reckless person who cares about none ? No she is stupid and can be reckless but it's not like she cares for none. She's also kind and loving but being mistreated by everyone is also a little disturbing . Is the mistreatment justified bec she is stupid ?


Interesting perspective .... But I don't understand what you mean by the bolded part in 2nd paragraph. The writer gives us akshus perpective but we refuse to see it bec we only see abhimanyus perspective, trying to justify him and abhinavs perspective , find a reason to butcher him. What happened on the white day , her pov has been shared in the 2 confrontations but we only refuse to buy it bec of the "deep down" theories. We say she's lying we say she's not happy we say she's living a fake life, so we need to correct ourselves ..unless the writer flips again and make her pine for abhimanyu, I won't believe it. I'll believe her words and her actions ..



Putting the partner on the pedestal ,making them feel.special comes naturally in a loving relationship . But I'm not sure how abhimanyu did it ..coz I never felt it ..meri akshu meri akshu shout karna is not enuf ..let abhinav ans akshus rishta go through the trials and tribulations , then we'll be in a better position to compare.

Posted: 2 years ago
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Apparently, no matter how much I write about Akshu, it's still viewed as though I am writing about Abhi or Nav. I am NOT. Ak's perspective doesn't mean her feelings for people. For the last time, this has NOTHING to do with Abhi or Nav. I am just talking about the writers and their failure to characterize Akshu. A character's POV is important to making a character 3D.


I am not refusing to believe that Ak may love Nav now or whatever. I am talking about her POV wrt the white day. Does she feel guilty? Does she consider this repentance? Does she feel guilty about any of her previous mistakes? About hiding Abhir? Nothing has been given, we are just assuming a lot of things. In general, Ak's POV has been absent from Day 1.


I am happy to discuss Abhi or Nav, but just for this post, can we keep it to discussing Akshu alone by herself?


Finally, NO, making someone feel special in a relationship is not the same as idolizing them. Idolizing them is thinking they can do no wrong, so when they do something that is a human error, it's seen as something much worse cause you treated them like a saint before. Making someone feel special in a relationship can be more about that person, specifically like Abhi liking her music or liking that she decided to give her grains to the hungry kids instead of winning the race. Again, not supporting Abhi; just giving an example. In Nav's case, it can be him liking her scolding him cause he sees that as a sign of affection.

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