Vishaka and rakesh - Page 4

Originally posted by: WeRockTheWorld

I don't think its fair to compare a father as a parent vs mother as parent because a dad's approach and the role in a child's life is very different than that of a mother , especially in the 90s. Father's were more of bread winners and mothers caretakers of kids. There might be exceptions to this but I feel in majority of the family mom does the caretaking part of the child. Keeping this in mind and the circumstances of their life and the culture that they follow in their respective household Rakesh is any day closer to his daughter than Vishaka to her son.

Rakesh was left with Naina when she was a new born. Considering the fact that he lived in a joint family and his younger brother having a child of the same age as Naina , its quiet Natural for Chachi to take care of the baby Naina along with Preethi. We never know she might have even breast fed Naina . This is very common in joint families when such tragedies strike. But all through out Rakesh has seen to that Naina is under his control. Her safety is something that he never meddles with. He is a rough character , even if his wife /Naina's mom was alive his approach to Naina would have been the same. If you look back he went for the trip ONLY because his daughter was there. When he realized that Naina got beatings from Kumudh teacher for something she had not done, he felt guilty as he had also questioned his daughter's intention, he then kept a hand on her head with affection. That simple gesture does show his emotions to his daughter. When ever Tayi ji taunts her , he has given it back to the lady. When Tayi hit Naina and she was hospitalized , he was very angry at Tayi ji. When he found Sameer in Naina s room at Mt. Abu he was furious like any father would be . He could have denied her being his daughter. Even during the present track he has always maintain that he is her father not even once has denied or refused to accept her as his daughter. True to the fact the might not have directly brought her up but he has seen to that she lives in a household where she gets enough happiness and care. And we need to remember Rakesh never remarried , he could have but he chose not to. Rather stay alone . Even with Arjun he isn't very affectionate. He feels bad because Arjun didn't come up in life , he feels he has failed as father there as well and hence his struggle to see Naina's life at least goes perfect.

Like any patriarch of an orthodox household , he feels Naina can be happy only by being married off into a family similar to theirs. This is called playing safe and he feels his younger brother s broadminded thoughts wouldn't work in a society like ours. Hence his anger against Anand and the reason for him to blindly listen to his elder brother and wife.

But Vishaka is a different person altogether. We have not even once seen Vishaka standing by Sameer. She is always hiding her affection. She is educated comes from a rich family. Even then she refused the responsibility of a child that she gave birth to. Instead she preferred to keep her other family happy. She is much better placed than Rakesh in life, but sadly she doesn't have the guts to accept Sameer whole heartedly. For her class and status matters. She refused to accept him as her own son at Mt. Abu. Whenever Sameer was in trouble she never stood by him nor did she find someone to stand by him. When there was problem in Delhi , she knew the cause was her mother in law, she sent Sameer away and not her MIL. She never questions her husband of being an incapable father for Sameer. Vishaka is a very weak character and sometimes I feel she is very selfish.

Vishaka's hatred for Naina is because Naina is everything that Vishaka isn't. Naina is one person that Sameer listens to...so basically Naina became the center of Sameer's life and Vishaka couldn't even touch the periphery of his life.

Originally posted by: truptishree

She started to ruin his life when she married Bobby. She left him first. Then send him to a hostel. Later she tried again and again to take him away from Nanu. What is life???
Education? So called success? Money?
Rakesh always cared for his kids. He pushed both Nania and Arjun. It was once mentioned by Chachu. Although he never praised Naina for her achievement as he was always worried about Arjun's result.
Vishaka on the other hand always had one answer" I will leave". No matter what the problem is..."I will leave". It's not like"I will help my son in studies" It's always "I will leave." MY question is ..."Why do you come?"
Her brain is an empty box which is controlled by Bobby. She is a horrible mom for Rohan too. Rohan is a robot...Deepika was mean when Sameer went Delhi. ...it was Sameer who brought changes in those two kid. To marry Bobby Vishaka lost not only her son but her own selfrespect too. She is nothing but a slave in that family.
Even now she is ruining Sameer's life. What is and what was Sameer before Naina. A spoil brat. whom she and her hubby could alwways bash. The only thing this woman can do is finding mistake in Sameer. To her Sameer is always wrong. Even his choice is wrong. The only one time she stood for him is during that cigarette incident.in Delhi.

Hi

B&U-Here I disagree with you on some points.

So you want to say that she would've stayed alone her whole life no offence to you but she do have a right to marry again.

See here we don't know what were her circumstances when she got married because we didn't get any backstory of her or Sameer's biological father.

Understandable that anger we feel for her because she left him when he was a kid but you can't deny it was Nanu who himself told her that he will take care of him.

Just once she tried to send him back to hostel when he was with Nanu that time Nanu didn't send him back and she agreed for it.

When SS cared for his kids? In fact he always put pressure on Arjun to be successful that's why he stole those papers and for that Sameer got punished without any of his fault.

This is the difference between SS and Vishakha. At least she appreciates his efforts.

Remember during HB competition though he didn't become HB and got 50% marks still she was happy for him because he tried and even got him gift. She was not angry at him that he didn't become HB but yes I will be forever salty that she didn't believe him when he was innocent. When he was in Delhi she supported his decision to work in Radio station and was proud of him.

Tell me one instance where SS was proud of Naina. He never appreciated her though she is school topper,college topper even became GS but he didn't say a word for her.

Even during best student award also he didn't wanted to go but he went when he got to know that they are honouring teachers also again for his own benefit not for Naina.

About Sameer I will completely disagree with you. He was never a spoil brat yes he was rebellious but not a bad kid. And why everyone say that he changed because of Naina here also I will disagree because he had his Nanu's upbringing and he was always a pure soul. It's just that he was misunderstood because of his mask of indifference owing to his lonely childhood and yes for that somewhere Vishakha was responsible.

About Rohan I will blame Dadi and Deepika was just a kid and kids do that when they don't know a person very well but later she really loved him like a elder brother.

Just because Vishakha is not happy with this alliance you can't say that she is ruining his life. I know she is prejudiced about Naina when she came to meet her. TBH I also would've rejected her for my son for the answers she gave that time. Again Sameer didn't give exams to save Naina so her concern regarding Sameer was genuine.

Again I will agree with you on Vishakha for leaving yes she always gives up easily instead of understanding him.

But SS did try to ruining Naina's life with Sharad under the influence of TT.

Originally posted by: truptishree

So you want to say that she would've stayed alone her whole life no offence to you but she do have a right to marry again.See here we don't know what were her circumstances when she got married because we didn't get any backstory of her or Sameer's biological father. There is no right and wrong in love. But the question is does Bobby love her like she loves Bobby. Before marriage Bobby gave her condition that she will take care of his son only...with that Dadi gave condition that to prove her loality as a slave/bahu/mom of Rohan/lover/biwi she must sacrifice Sameer. That was the circumstances behind her marriage.
With this kind of condition ...will you call it a marriage ? Or a slavery. Get married . why once marry again and again. I am a woman why I will go against woman's right? But get married ...don't be a slave. Vishaka is not Bobby's wife. She is behaving like Bobby's slave. It is not 90s problem ...her kind of doormats stil exist.

Understandable that anger we feel for her because she left him when he was a kid but you can't deny it was Nanu who himself told her that he will take care of him.Just once she tried to send him back to hostel when he was with Nanu that time Nanu didn't send him back and she agreed for it.
Are you watching this serial from the beginning? For your kind information Sameer used live in hostel. Vishaka took him from Nanu after her shaadi , according to them he was a kid then. Later when there was no hope left Nanu rescued him from that hostel.

When SS cared for his kids? In fact he always put pressure on Arjun to be successful that's why he stole those papers and for that Sameer got punished without any of his fault.This is the difference between SS and Vishakha. At least she appreciates his efforts.

He hates Sameer...but for Naina he is tolerating the Maheswaris. But Vishaka is not thinking about Sameer's happiness. She is in a mission to throw Naina out of the picture. So you too can see the clear difference between the two.

About Sameer I will completely disagree with you. He was never a spoil brat yes he was rebellious but not a bad kid. And why everyone say that he changed because of Naina here also I will disagree because he had his Nanu's upbringing and he was always a pure soul. It's just that he was misunderstood because of his mask of indifference owing to his lonely childhood and yes for that somewhere Vishakha was responsible.
I am a Sameer fan too. But everyone including his mother thinks he is a spoiled brat...so spoiled that he can't choose a girl for him. In each and every way that woman is criticizing Sameer and his choice. And yes...she is responsible for whatever mistakes/mischief he did. He could win the "cricket " contest. He was winning that...untill Vishaka left him in the field. Every time he tried to improve she killed it.

About Rohan I will blame Dadi and Deepika was just a kid and kids do that when they don't know a person very well but later she really loved him like a elder brother. Sameer is Deepika's brother. Why Vishaka never brought her to meet Sameer or made a phone call so that they can know each other. Why did she listen to that Buddhi? 😡 What is the need of this kind of stupid relationship? Her marriage sucks. Her parenting sucks. She couldn't stop that Dadi's mouth and spoiled the relationship of all her kids. Okay...now Sameer is getting married and mother India couldn't bring Deepika or Rohan to Sameer's shadi. Aisi maaa hai yeh Viushaka and aisi hai uski shadi and love story and happy married life...she has no power in her sasural. 😡 She is a failure as a mother. Still acting like a slave ... wovi at this age. Funnny that she couldn't be a mother but ready to be a saas. Acting like her own saas. She has an attitude to act like a "damsel in distress"...but she is no victim. She chose Bobby, for Bobby she left Sameer and now she is scared that Sameer might give all his attention to Naina...so she is scared. I don't think she is worried about her look...just scared that she might lose her power on Sameer...although even if Sameer choose her...she will still leave and forget him.

Just because Vishakha is not happy with this alliance you can't say that she is ruining his life. I know she is prejudiced about Naina when she came to meet her. TBH I also would've rejected her for my son for the answers she gave that time. Again Sameer didn't give exams to save Naina so her concern regarding Sameer was genuine.

Sameer was going to be a "Sannyasi" when Naina cut her relationship with Sameer. Where was Vishaka then? If she had any idea or cared about Sameer she would also know she will ruin Sameer's life...if Naina is not there. She is a mother who can't protect her child. She is a mother who can't be with her child when he needs him. So how will her kids survive? By phone calls or Vishaka's "I am leaving Sameer ? " Every time she repeats this dialogue...Im just feel like to say..."Leave and promise that you will never come back". Bored of her repeated blackmails.

But SS did try to ruining Naina's life with Sharad under the influence of TT.

SS was manipulated by tayeejee and taujee. Now if Sameer reveals the true face of Taujee...I am eagerly waiting for his action. As far as we know yeh admi kisiki baap ko bhi nehi chodte. 😆 Let's see how he reacts. 😆

Originally posted by: truptishree

We never got to know about Sameer's father. What if she gave him birth out of wedlock because you see Sameer don't have his father's name he carries Nanu's name and may be that's why Dadi didn't accept him in their house. That could be the reason she couldn't keep him with her.

Originally posted by: jhalak7

Watch the Delhi episode again please. Dadi gave a condition to Vishaka that she must leave Sameer so that Rohan can have a mother. As Dadi thought if Vishaka brings Sameer ...Rohan ko uska moma ka payar kabhi nehi milega. Bobby too reminded Vishaka that she promised she will not bring Sameer. Sameer's Dad was never an issue. I guess he is dead. They are Maheswaris , so Sameer also got the same name. Sharad was also Agarwal. But he is not Rakesh Sir's son. 😆

Originally posted by: truptishree

Yes I have seen those episodes but then you also need to see those again.

When Vishakha introduced Deepika and she asked Sameer about his father. Vishakha did get restless and immediately she send her away from further conversation.

I know they are Maheshwari's but Sameer carries his Nanu's name as middle name.

It's Sameer Jaiprakash Maheshwari.

I know people can marry with same surname people.

Originally posted by: Nikkie_1

I wont get into argument of who is better Vishakha or SS as according to me they both dont deserve to be called parents and are lucky to have kids like Sameer and Naina.

There is a saying in hindi "Ek Nagnath aur ek Sapnath" that holds true in their cases.

As far as I have understood the episodes Sameer is not born out of wedlock, as there was an episode in which Sam's VO while telling about his Nanu mentioned that "beti ki doosri shadi kawayi" . This was when sam confesses his love for Naina to nanu and then explained how progressive his Nanu's thinking was. If Vishakha was a divorcee or a widow was never mentioned.

Also, Sameer doesn't have his Nanu's name as middle name legally.

SJM was mentioned by Nanu on his deathbed as he wanted Sam to take his legacy forward and become his son. It was just a figure of speech.

No reference to SJM has been made before or later in the show.

It has been a fun thread with various opinions it is amazing how we as viewers see the same characters but interpret it differently. It was great to read them all.

There was a beautiful post by Shakhile which said "Many children still have problems accepting step parents and step siblings. Accepting a step father is even more problematic than accepting a step mother. I think one of reasons for Sameer/Vishakha is Sameer's unacceptance of his mother's second marriage. Think about it, Sameer did not even go to St. Xavier's school just because his step father went there. When Rohan tried to shake hands with him initially in Delhi, he did not warm up to him. That is how deep his unacceptance is. Mostly we have seen Vishakha trying to talk to him, he getting mad and walking away, which frustrates the mom and she walks away from him. Same goes for Sameer he tries to talk to her, she does not understand and he gets frustrated. Problem between them is not loving each other it is miscommunication. It does not help that there are people around them are forever trying to drive wedge into their relationship. Tell me what is difference between them she listens to Somani and he listens to Naina. What about them listening to each other sometimes?

We as viewer are already hardwired to sympathize with Sameer. We have seen mom/son have altercation. What happens next? We see Sameer getting angry, emotional and isolated and as audience we feel terrible for him. How does Vishakha feel after their altercations? Maybe she feels hurts and isolated too but we as viewers will never know because it is never showcased in the episodes.

If you guys remember she bought him a gift after he scored 50 percent in his exam during head boy competitions? She said how proud she was that at least he put so much effort in getting it. She was proud when he got himself a job as RJ. She went to the principal to plead his case and got him to write supplement exam when he gave up his exam to save Naina. True, she does not like Naina but she did humiliate herself to go ask for her hand at midnight. People may argue Sameer compelled her to go by attempting suicide but think about it, she could have easily said go ahead, I don't care. All the little gesture of love we miss because we are intent on thinking she abandoned her child and remarried.

As for Rakesh I think he does love Naina but there is one more thing he love more and that is himself. Vishakha may have set limitations on her love for Sameer by remarrying but what about him? He did not bring home step mother to stop him from showering love on his children. Then what compels him to be a deadbeat dad? He does not commend his daughter for her accomplishments, does not remember her birthday, does not care if she marries a pauper and thinks of her as "jhanjhat.

What baffles me is the most is that we are having sympathies for Rakesh when he is himself along with Tauji/Taiji brought this situation upon himself. Had they not forced Naina to get married to Sharad, she would have never run away for a whole day with Sameer, which mean Sameer and Naina could have waited longer before they would even consider marriage. If Sameer & Naina were older, they could have taken better decisions for themselves and these fiascos that are happening could have been averted.