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gargpoo

@gargpoo

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Posted: 8 years ago

#31

Still Raman Mani comparison going on wen actually they cant b compared...my pov!!
There is a lot of difference btwn mani n raman..
Wat mani did ws pure REVENGE ...he KNOWINGLY did everything...he used ishita's weakest point to hurt Her... declared proudly he taught her zindagi ka sabak wen adi's crime ws not proven till then...he knowingly steped into business to trouble ishita...he lectures abt relation friendship trust claimed to witness ishita's yearning for her kid yet to decide to snatch the kid..
Wat raman did ws impulse.
I m npt saying he ws right ..he ws wrong n i m still waiting for his verbal apology bcs lately his actjons said a lot .he is supporting ishita in everything...v still waiting for confrontation...he nvr took revenge only for satisfaction ... He didnt snatched a kid only to teach life ka sabak ..he nvr tried to kill someone's child even he is hell angry ...wat he did ws a grave mistake he committed in his weakest moment n v accept it or not he got 7 yrs punishment living like a dead man for that mistake...its not easy to survive thinking u lost ur love only bcs of u..
My pov...no offence plzz!!

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bscorp13

@bscorp13

Sparkler

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Posted: 8 years ago

#32

Originally posted by: sarunholic_arhi

U know Pb when people can support characters like Nidhi and Shagun then this is nothing
If Mani should be forgiven on the basis of his past good deeds then even Raman should also be forgiven on basis of his past good deeds though I m still not supporting his callous words and i need a proper apology from his side as well as from Ishita side for abandoning her kids and not coming back for her parents also.Isliye a proper confrontation is needed

@bold..totally agree..and if cvs don't give it..why keep using the lack of confrontation only to blame raman..stuff I read a while back shocked me..it's like I don't even watch the same show..😕.both ishra made huge mistakes and cvs have allowed both to move on..

If we are still watching the show today..it's all right to feel lousy that we didn't get a confrontation but does every character have to be compared and contrastep with that version of raman or ishita for who cvs have chosen to not give a explanation? 😕...and in today's context raman is the biggest pillar of support for ishita ..and a very just and fair fathet..while mani fails miserably on both accounts..why should we be asking ishita to forgive him😕

Yes zoha...i have seen nidhi and shagun getting defended too..today Mani's actions are no less than an opportunist likr ashok..will we defend ashok next😕

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zohakhan7

@zohakhan7

Trailblazer

+ 10

Posted: 8 years ago

#33

Originally posted by: bscorp13

@bold..totally agree..and if cvs don't give it..why keep using the lack of confrontation only to blame raman..stuff I read a while back shocked me..it's like I don't even watch the same show..😕.both ishra made huge mistakes and cvs have allowed both to move on..
If we are still watching the show today..it's all right to feel lousy that we didn't get a confrontation but does every character have to be compared and contrastep with that version of raman or ishita for who cvs have chosen to not give a explanation? 😕...and in today's context raman is the biggest pillar of support for ishita ..and a very just and fair fathet..while mani fails miserably on both accounts..why should we be asking ishita to forgive him😕
Yes zoha...i have seen nidhi and shagun getting defended too..today Mani's actions are no less than an opportunist likr ashok..will we defend ashok next😕

I have a question Pb

Ok fine Ishita was heart broken with Raman's callous words and Ruhi's death and Raman blaming her was a big thing and I agree on that part but still Ishita should have atleast thought of her kids and most importantly her parents firstly if not for Raman .What did her parents do that she made them believe that their daughter was dead for 7 long years.7 years is a big time .What if something had happened to her Amma or Appa listening their daughter is dead ? Raman is impulsive and he was shown like that but Ishita was never this selfish .She should have think for her parents and kids at least and this is what disappointed me.

Raman's words were horrible and no one can bear them and he is at fault for it but but Mani did was purely a form of Revenge just like is lovely wife shagun.Mani is no saint but is actual a back stabber who killed his friend trust on him and used her weak point to take revenge. How can one justify Mani's action when it cannot be justified 😕

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gargpoo

@gargpoo

Sparkler

Posted: 8 years ago

#34

Originally posted by: bscorp13

@bold..totally agree..and if cvs don't give it..why keep using the lack of confrontation only to blame raman..stuff I read a while back shocked me..it's like I don't even watch the same show..😕.both ishra made huge mistakes and cvs have allowed both to move on..
If we are still watching the show today..it's all right to feel lousy that we didn't get a confrontation but does every character have to be compared and contrastep with that version of raman or ishita for who cvs have chosen to not give a explanation?😕...and in today's context raman is the biggest pillar of support for ishita ..and a very just and fair fathet..while mani fails miserably on both accounts..why should we be asking ishita to forgive him😕
Yes zoha...i have seen nidhi and shagun getting defended too..today Mani's actions are no less than an opportunist likr ashok..will we defend ashok next😕

ecerything is compared here dont know y every character n relation is different we cant compare all the time ...
Ppl want raman to rot in hell n taste his own medicine bt mani's single apology is fine wen he has messed up everything pihu haa gone to shagun nothing can change that..
Its compulsory to mention raman's mistaks in evrery thread i notice ...then ishita's mistakes shud also b discussrd in every thread..right..
Iff he chose kids over ishita then there wa time wen he asjed ishita not to give false hopes to adi wen she celebrated sharam anniversary...he was the one who talked to adi at last in sautan track n made him undersrand wat ishita means to him ...now again wen pihu gave him a chance again to throw ishita if he wants her n bring shagun he chose to stand up by ishita n promised to brring their daughter back
I can understand his words cabt b justufied bt off late he is saying a lot doing a lot bt v choose to ignore that n continue to point out his mistakes .he is still thinking abt aliya first n fighting for her to get justice even his son gets punishment bt his gud deeds royally ignored...
Mani failed as a father n friend no matter wat wen everyone expected he will nvr ditch ishita l..khair. Its their pov v cant do anything..

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UmeraT

@UmeraT

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 8 years ago

#35

Shagun ka har jaga hona buhut imp hai

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UmeraT

@UmeraT

Dazzler

+ 2

Posted: 8 years ago

#36

IshRa are tog in this. Havent red d cmmts but ppl r 🤢

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@--QUEEN--

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Posted: 8 years ago

#37

What both Raman and mani did were SINS not just MISTAKES

For Raman, he called his wife baanjh. His own wife whom he claimed to love, who is part of his soul, body; whose flesh he enjoyed, whose love he cherished. It's seriously a sin to call her baanjh whatever maybe the reason even if it's ruhi's death.

Coming to mani, if some random man who is shagun's husband had supported her in custody without knowing the facts, then it would be a mistake but mani very knew what ishita has missed all these seven years, and did something he knew would sure hurt her. So it's also a sin.

A sin is a sin, not smaller or bigger. All wrong doings are sins. So I don't want to compare Raman and mani.

It depends on ishita to forgive or not. Third person cannot understand the relationship between the duo. We all are ranting that Raman should apologize but still ishita forgave him without any apologize. It's the magnitude of their relationship, no third party can understand it

No offense to anyone

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monn12

@monn12

Inactive

Posted: 8 years ago

#38

Originally posted by: snehaseshan

Ya agree with the revenge part that mani did but Raman also back stabbed ishita by not filling ishita's name in birth certificate that is also one kinda revenge only NA that he took on ishita since he was angry on her so I feel both Raman & mani HVE taken out their anger on ishita by snatching her daughter from her mani in d court by supporting shagun & Raman by not mentioning ishita's name in bc & hiding ishita's identity from pihu & almost marrying shagun which can't b justified,so imo both Raman & mani's mistakes r similar

In my first line itself I told, that I don't won't to involve in IshRa part. Because it's not friendship, they're couple with different issues. That's why I took the examples of 2 friendships and their situations. Raman is a straight forward person, not someone like Mani who flirts with his best friend and tell bad about her husband according to the situation(In Mani saga 1), LECTURES abt relationships and then when it's come to him act all selfish.

Since you brought this topic of hiding the truth abt Pihu. yes, I too want a proper justification or statement by Raman, why he did that, but he wasn't 2 faced. After, Ishita's death he hated her for leaving him alone in this world. Whole family knew it, whole world knew it. He didn't let anyone to take Ishita's name, all the memories of Ishita was hidden yet did he forget her? no. Because that's was his ultimate goal, he didn't won't to forget anything. He didn't won't to forget that he killed his wife, the pain was within him and he suffered alone. He wanted to suffer for his deeds. The only person who didn't know all this was their daughter, so he was more close to her and loved her because she was their symbol of love. Maybe he was scared that if he told the truth, Pihu would hate him. He loved Ishita through her, so maybe he didn't want loose that also.('maybe' bcoz I don't know the exact reason, I don't know the exact reason of Shagun staying in bhalla house for all these years either because they didn't show us on-screen!)

And abt marrying Shagun also, he proposed in front of the family, in front of Ishita that what he is, he doesn't know to plan and plot, rather he is impulsive. He acknowledges that too.

And for once if we think, post leap if Raman was all good and not like what we've shown then I'm sure even amma appa would've forgive and told him now forget Ishita and moved on, marry Shagun for children. Because it had been 7 years, and if Raman wanted he could led a happy life, but he couldn't/didn't because his happiness lies within only one woman.i.e. Ishita.

Love is different from person to person so, it's different for Raman-Ishita too, (In a way Wuthering heights/heathcliff is a good example for Raman's love). And friendship is another thing.

but yes for his words, an apology is essential, so that cvs should let them talk;)).

Edited by monn12 - 8 years ago

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Thaslima

@PinkRose95

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#39

Originally posted by: bscorp13

Did ishita forgive raman easily? ..wasn't she planning to leave him and head back even after he broke down and said he can't live without ruhi and her? Then why should she forgive mani..if according to you now bith are similar?
This discussion wasn't about raman and mani ..tilsome member brought um that argument..

But looks like raman's 'good deeds ' will never amount for anything. .post leap i mean..I have tones of examples of how he has also pitched in to get ruhi back and now pihu back into the fold..yet since cvs choose to not five the kind of apology ppl in this forum want to hear.all is forgotten and we only rant about that one thing...
If Mani's good deeds can be an excuse for easily forgiving him now..shouldn't we all move on from raman's lack of verbal apology since lots has been done after that. .the kinds no normal husbands would ever do?

And to top it all..any mistake made my anyone else ..however grave or horrible. .even if it is a friend hurting a best friend the way no one should...it is 'benchmarked' against raman..why.are both situations even close to being similar?...

Its strange. .yes 2 wrongs never make a right..but pitting every wromg however relevant against the one wromg we personally relate to as injustice is strange...what's wromg is wrong. .ishita shouldn't have forgiven raman easily..I agree to that..so she shouldn't forgive mani easily too...
Why make this if she forgave raman. .she should forgive mani too..😕...didn't people forgive ishita post the bhooth track too...should we start citing examples of that too in this context. .

In the current scenario. .Mani's role and actions in what happened are aa bad or even worse..since he was a close friend. .than shagun. .so with that logic should ishita forgive shagun too😕

No offence...these are purely my views ...

Whoa.. Take it easy... you have your pov, so do I...
Ishita had forgiven shagun too... I'm also not saying she should forgive Mani... And when did i said that she forgave raman easily? She didn't? Still she is bottling up everything inside her...
For Ishita, Mani is a friend whereas Raman is her husband... Whether ppl accept it or not both have betrayed her... Dhoke mei koi chota bada nahi hotha.. However small it may be, still it'll hurt... Yes Raman is thinking about aaliya aswell and I do acknowledge that... But that doesn't mean his deeds can be overlooked... Both Mani and Raman chosed their daughters over Ishita.. That's the fact... I'm not defending Mani at all... Backstabbing is something which I detest.. And here both have backstabbed... I love ishra and that's the reason y I'm still sticking to this show.. Both are flawed but we cannot make ourselves feel better about Raman by comparing him with others... As simple as that... And that's my pov... I rest my case here... Have a nice evening

Edited by PinkRose95 - 8 years ago

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