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Posted: 9 years ago
#61

Originally posted by: sunitas123


Also, let me apologize in advance. for daring to comment on this thread, since my frank views are not appreciated much here...


Sunitha, I respect your thoughts and perspective. I really don't think that people here have a problem about you commenting on this thread. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and a perspective and so are you. As long as, people understand and respect others POV, it shouldn't be a problem. The problem starts only when some words used in the views written in one thread are quoted in another thread and mocked and made fun of by a group of people. I guess that is where people should draw a line about forcing a opinion and accepting a view point so that the decorum of the forum can be maintained. Otherwise I guess there is a general consensus that opinions are bound to be different and they just help in understanding the situation from another perspective. You really don't have to apologise for expressing your views.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Priya, dunno if you have noticed but this is the very thread which always mocks other people's views and anything that is said against Raman, and a lot of times pre-empts that people will bash Raman etc...and anything said against Raman ( we are merely saying what is shown on screen) is not acceptable at all!
Hence I resisted coming here for a few days, but I finally decided to have my say, coz it is an independent forum after all!


All I am saying is that Raman has a long way to go for his redemption and it has not even started as yet! Hence I cant be content at the moment with what Raman is doing. I understand it is a journey and a story but he should be setting right all the mess that he himself has created.

In the OLV where Ruhi asks him to marry Ishita, just as impulsively as he decided to marry Shagun, he said yes to Ishita. If he was jealous all these days about Mani marrying her etc, I cant seem to see it now - coz all our assumptions about his gross words and behaviour were attributed to Mani! And I was expecting him to atleast clear things with Shagun, instead he just stands there ( behind Ishita) and luckily for him Shagun comes to his rescue. This is not the Raman we knew, this is not the man with integrity, his redemption is a long way away, and that is not just in terms of expressing his pain, but understanding Ishita's pain too! That is what will be true love after all!

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: sunitas123

@Priya, dunno if you have noticed but this is the very thread which always mocks other people's views and anything that is said against Raman, and a lot of times pre-empts that people will bash Raman etc...and anything said against Raman ( we are merely saying what is shown on screen) is not acceptable at all!

Hence I resisted coming here for a few days, but I finally decided to have my say, coz it is an independent forum after all!


All I am saying is that Raman has a long way to go for his redemption and it has not even started as yet! Hence I cant be content at the moment with what Raman is doing. I understand it is a journey and a story but he should be setting right all the mess that he himself has created.

In the OLV where Ruhi asks him to marry Ishita, just as impulsively as he decided to marry Shagun, he said yes to Ishita. If he was jealous all these days about Mani marrying her etc, I cant seem to see it now - coz all our assumptions about his gross words and behaviour were attributed to Mani! And I was expecting him to atleast clear things with Shagun, instead he just stands there ( behind Ishita) and luckily for him Shagun comes to his rescue. This is not the Raman we knew, this is not the man with integrity, his redemption is a long way away, and that is not just in terms of expressing his pain, but understanding Ishita's pain too! That is what will be true love after all!


Sorry to butt in...but thought of expressing what I feel too about this...and your last post..
First things...That olv is yet to play out.. and so is the olv with raman's breakdown (if one could look beyond the strangling bit..and no while I am no supporter of violence. .this show has many more examples of unnecessary violence. .I don't see a reason to close our eyes to the scene afterwards because of what is shown first..again that hasn't aired yet)
And sadly the same way you have clubbed everyone who supports or talks about raman as pre emptive and defensive , many people including me do find views i those threads myopic.. and more so whenever it is to do with raman or shagun..and everything becomes exaggerated and mockingly ugly. .

Even in the olv that you mention..while I too did not like raman nodding his acceptance to tjhe marriage ruhi ke liye...here you seem to be saying shagun did him a favor? I mean that is when I wonder whether we watch the same show..for all of raman's faults post leap. .one thing he has stuck to not tb doing is allow shagun even to remotely assume he has any interest in her...even the marriage in shagun's own words was a compromise for pihu with 'no expectations' from raman...and yet you feel for shagun and empathize but not for raman...😕
You feel for Mani. .who has only done good according to you. .but strangely choose to ignore the sane mani taunted Ishita about her 'motherly duty' towards aliya,. And had pihus custody drama from her. ..

Raman has a lot to do..and most of us here agree to that...not one person here has said he has redeemed himself or that ishita should forget everything and run to him... .don't know why you do not seem to see that ever...most of our issues including what priya mentioned is in tjhe 'inconsistency' and lack of time given to showing raman's pov..in one scene he is angry about doing things ruhi ke liye and in tjhe very next he agrees to humiliate himself and be a joker if need be to get his family back..family which includes ishita and ruhi..
We as ishra fans like to see all of those scenes in retrospect too...
While raman needs to apologize for a lot of v things and set right a lot of things. .frankly so has ishita...
And in the meanwhile at least I take heart in the few glimpses of raman's pov that we are shown occasionally. .honestly as someone who roots for both ishita and raman ..pray why should I ignore when he rants in his drunk state that he wished he died with ishita..when he tells his son that he lost his 2 most prized possessions. .when he tells ishita on their first night in the room together that he was living in a lonely hell without her around...and when he and ishuta dance in a public gathering without any fear of humiliation to see their daughter smile. ..heck both the raman that you just described and this raman are the same person. .so i cant ignore tjhe good for the not good and keep harping on the negatives always...

And you know what. ..apparently ishita is able to see beyond the man with no spine and integrity that you describe raman as too..she is no longer in the equation sirf ruhi ke liye too..so what does one make of that?

Just my take ..no offense ...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I watch this show only for Ishra so ultimately I want them to be together if we go on finding faults in either ishita or Raman we can't see them together so instead of finding faults in them I would like to see d bright side in d scenes instead of d loop holes after all at d end of d day they will be together so Itz better ifwe concentrate on d good things
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: sunitas123

@Priya, dunno if you have noticed but this is the very thread which always mocks other people's views and anything that is said against Raman, and a lot of times pre-empts that people will bash Raman etc...and anything said against Raman ( we are merely saying what is shown on screen) is not acceptable at all!

Hence I resisted coming here for a few days, but I finally decided to have my say, coz it is an independent forum after all!


All I am saying is that Raman has a long way to go for his redemption and it has not even started as yet! Hence I cant be content at the moment with what Raman is doing. I understand it is a journey and a story but he should be setting right all the mess that he himself has created.

In the OLV where Ruhi asks him to marry Ishita, just as impulsively as he decided to marry Shagun, he said yes to Ishita. If he was jealous all these days about Mani marrying her etc, I cant seem to see it now - coz all our assumptions about his gross words and behaviour were attributed to Mani! And I was expecting him to atleast clear things with Shagun, instead he just stands there ( behind Ishita) and luckily for him Shagun comes to his rescue. This is not the Raman we knew, this is not the man with integrity, his redemption is a long way away, and that is not just in terms of expressing his pain, but understanding Ishita's pain too! That is what will be true love after all!


Sunita, I have been active in this forum only for the last couple of months. I do not know what happened before that. As far as I have observed, people here do agree to the fact that Raman has created a blunder in initiating a marriage with Shagun in an outrage and he has to take the responsibility to clear this mess. The only concern for people ranting here has been the failure from CVs part to make RKB the kind of sensible, straightforward guy with integrity, who doesn't shy away from taking responsibility, as he used to be, prior to the leap. The RKB we got post leap was utterly disappointing and CVs have been quite inconsistent with respect to his dialogues and views. This was the main concern. Having said that, we did manage to have glimpses of that RKB, his love for Ishita, his love for Ruhi in his actions, through the actor's expressions and body language, which was quite visible to some of us out here. Now some of the forum members had different opinion about them, which is absolutely fine. But I guess our views about body language and expressions were mocked to such a greater extent in another thread where moderators had to close the thread for review because of reporting. I have not seen this thread being reported or closed for review, ever since I began to comment. So I agree to disagree with you on the remark that people in this thread always mock other views in other threads. Just my thoughts and no offence.

Regarding the OLV, all of us indeed had a concern about the strangling part being exaggerated and posted our comments in the thread created by Sneha. I would wait for the episode to air to see if the editors turn out to be sensible enough to edit the strangling part out. Having said that, IMO, we cannot ignore the emotional breakdown of Raman because of this. We very rarely get to see his POV. It is only now he has begun to give hints about what he thinks and what he wants. The things happening around him currently, make him even firmly believe that if they lose Ruhi, then his chances of winning back Ishita in his life is nearly zero. While all the time he has had this fear bottled within himself, he is now letting loose and voicing it explicitly. As we got Raman's emotions and point of view for Ruhi yesterday, I feel that this breakdown of Raman is towards the fear of losing Ishita. Now I feel that with Ishita being kidnapped, in the absence of Ishita, he would become even more vulnerable, voice out his feelings and may be that is when his guilt and realisation would start. Now it is in the hands of CVs as to how they want his realisation and redemption to be.

Agree to the point that Raman has added on to the mess by proposing marriage to Shagun and he has to take responsibility to clear that mess and get Ishita-Pihu closer. Infact that is where his redemption lies. But as for mending IshRa relationship, I would say both of them are equally responsible for the mess that has been created, both are at fault and both of them have to own up to clearing their differences, if they really want each other back. The sad truth is both of them are aware of what they mean to each other, but both have their own inhibitions in acknowledging it, which is what making the matters worse.

Just my thoughts. Don't know if it made sense.

Ps :- Edited :-
@bold - While I say Raman needs to get Ishita and Pihu closer , for the redemption of Raman, it does not take away the fact that Ishita has indeed failed miserably as a mother, when she forgot about the new born kid and ran away to end her life. Raman's words were harsh, Ruhi's loss was big, but no mother would do what she did to her new born kid which was not even 1 day old. Her actions doesn't stand justified by putting the entire blame on Raman. She even hid her existance from her own parents. OK Raman felt she was inauspicious. Did her parents feel so? Why did she give that punishment to them? So Ishita has to answer all these questions as well, just like Raman has to answer about his words & Shagun. While she has been shown as guilty in a couple of siutations, Raman has not been. That is the only difference I see. The sad truth remains that IshRa failed miserably as parents for Pihu, Ruhi and Adi and they have to get equally involved and take responsibility in getting things sorted out for them as couple and for their kids, leave alone Shagun, Mani and others.
Edited by priyadarshini.r - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: sunitas123

@Priya, dunno if you have noticed but this is the very thread which always mocks other people's views and anything that is said against Raman, and a lot of times pre-empts that people will bash Raman etc...and anything said against Raman ( we are merely saying what is shown on screen) is not acceptable at all!

Hence I resisted coming here for a few days, but I finally decided to have my say, coz it is an independent forum after all!


All I am saying is that Raman has a long way to go for his redemption and it has not even started as yet! Hence I cant be content at the moment with what Raman is doing. I understand it is a journey and a story but he should be setting right all the mess that he himself has created.

In the OLV where Ruhi asks him to marry Ishita, just as impulsively as he decided to marry Shagun, he said yes to Ishita. If he was jealous all these days about Mani marrying her etc, I cant seem to see it now - coz all our assumptions about his gross words and behaviour were attributed to Mani! And I was expecting him to atleast clear things with Shagun, instead he just stands there ( behind Ishita) and luckily for him Shagun comes to his rescue. This is not the Raman we knew, this is not the man with integrity, his redemption is a long way away, and that is not just in terms of expressing his pain, but understanding Ishita's pain too! That is what will be true love after all!


@bold - I agree to the point that Raman should have spoken to shagun and cleared things before accepting for the marriage. But I don't think he was hiding behind Ishita nor shagun rescued him. From what I see in the video, when IshRa were having the discussion they were standing next to each other. When Ishita was questioning Raman, before Raman could answer, shagun barged in from behind asking Ishita as to what Raman should discuss with her. That is when Ishita turned back and the IshGun conversations started. I guess it has more to do with the way the scene was picturised and nothing to do with Raman hiding behind Ishita intentionally. Just my thoughts. I may be wrong. I will wait for the episode to air.

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