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Posted: 9 years ago
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As a woman myself , there are lots of things I would not do which Ishita has been doing , I would have left the man who said to me " dafa Ho jao" so many times , I would not have given my life that easily because my moron husband called me names , I would have killed him instead of calling me names , I would not have put my family's live in jeopardy for some random person , I would have informed authorities that this person has been involved in domestic violence , I would not have left my parents under no circumstances , so many things I could add here , and I could not related to this 7:30pm Ishita ...either I am most useless woman in the world if I don't think or act like Ishita or Ishita is so mahan that us women can not even dream to be like her .
As far as Raman is concerned , I would not pray for my daughter to have a husband like him ... And again he is thankfully not like all the men i have seen in my life , as a husband , a son, a father ...
The actors are amazing both DT and KP ... I don't see them as only Ishita or Raman ... They are not Ishita or Raman , yes they play them beautifully but criticising them doesn't mean one in anti KP or anti DT.
Topic maker made her point of view , some would agree , some would not , mostly the forum members are enjoying good debates these days ... But sad to see taking things personally .
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: infinity00

As a woman myself , there are lots of things I would not do which Ishita has been doing , I would have left the man who said to me " dafa Ho jao" so many times , I would not have given my life that easily because my moron husband called me names , I would have killed him instead of calling me names , I would not have put my family's live in jeopardy for some random person , I would have informed authorities that this person has been involved in domestic violence , I would not have left my parents under no circumstances , so many things I could add here , and I could not related to this 7:30pm Ishita ...either I am most useless woman in the world if I don't think or act like Ishita or Ishita is so mahan that us women can not even dream to be like her .
As far as Raman is concerned , I would not pray for my daughter to have a husband like him ... And again he is thankfully not like all the men i have seen in my life , as a husband , a son, a father ...
The actors are amazing both DT and KP ... I don't see them as only Ishita or Raman ... They are not Ishita or Raman , yes they play them beautifully but criticising them doesn't mean one in anti KP or anti DT.
Topic maker made her point of view , some would agree , some would not , mostly the forum members are enjoying good debates these days ... But sad to see taking things personally .


Exactly! Do write more. I love your no nonsense honest take specially when everyone is against it as the truth is always harsh and bitter.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: -K.13-

Lovely write up, Prabh! Literally have nothing else content wise to add except what a joke this show has made of the concept of motherhood. It's disgusting to think a woman who has born her own children can make motherhood and parenthood a grotesque freak show.


The pre-leap segment was the icing on the cake & today was adding an extra cherry on top. They reduced Shagun to a mere womb, had constant rants on how Ishita is a step-mom and enjoys "being IshiMa", showed the pre-leap pathetic outburst of Raman, had Ishita questioning Adi's mother in jail, and today showed Mani denying Ishita motherhood of Aliya.

LIke you if the precap is just limited to the blame game in Ruhi's death - it's not as bad as questioning her motherhood.

It's actually interesting though b/c in society typically kids are identified by their mothers. This show does it the other way. However I will say outside of today's episodes YHM often has it's characters - Raman, Ishita, Shagun, etc - say my kids & everyone takes it one way or the other. Today it was clearly intentional but this idea of possessiveness over kids is often tossed around lightly and choppily on the show over the last year.

Honestly there is no clear message on motherhood here. Shagun's rights as a mother to Adi & Ruhi have essentially been stripped away to this day and rightfully so. Ishita's actions are regularly questioned. So who or what is a real mother to this show?

The only thing good I have seen post leap about this topic - is prior to the reveal, Raman praised Ishita's 1.5 year long upbringing of Adi. He didn't take Ishita's name, nor did he state Adi's blood mother had a positive impact on Adi...all he said is Adi's deceased mom left a positive mark on Adi through her motherhood.

And the one ray of hope is that relationships are still made of the heart is the kids themselves. Adi still views Ishita as his mother and gives her that place. I am sure Aliya will do the same. Pihu will eventually come around to Ishita but she also did give Shagun a chance to fix her mistake with Adi/Ruhi (even if one hates the character - she is for now a better person than before).

There is no honest end-game to this stuff nor is there a real reason for turning this into a freak-show...🤔

Sorry for the disconnected stuff - but honestly I don't get this show's view on motherhood or their original idea of nature versus nurture (especially now with Pihu in the mix who has Shagun's nurture but Ishita's nature), or if they are trying to uplift or turn people away from the idea of step-mothers. 🤓 Drama ke liye kuch bhi

Thank you so much! This show was once one of the few that beautifully portrayed a relationship of motherhood without making it OTT or unrealistic, but now it seems to be going against everything it once showed. As you mentioned all the examples of the many times they ridicule the same love they promote, which will never make sense to me!

And with Shagun, in order to show the nature v/s nurture they have made the woman into nothing more than a woman who gives birth, and this can go onto another topic from me on who demeaning YHM becomes when women are only judged by their ability to give birth and raise children. Anyways not getting too much into a completely different tangent, i have to agree that it seems though that the makers don't know what they want to show. They showed Ishita a better mother than Shagun, but now seemed to have reversed these roles completely with Shagun-Pihu which questions the entire base of this show! So who does make a good mother? Or are they trying to say it changes from child to child?🤢

With Raman acknowledging Ishita's upbringing, it was the only positive remark on her motherhood post leap, but what value does it hold since Raman has completely gone back on his words yesterday and today in his anger? Clearly Raman and Mani believe Ishita is a great mother in the way Adi and Aliya have been raised, but once in anger the truth about blood relations come into play and both men ended up completely disregarding Ishita's upbringing claiming the children as only theirs, not Ishita's.

And I completely agree that the children are the only saving grace at the moment with Adi and Aliya considering Ishita as their mother, loving & respecting her for the same. However I worry on that point as well when more situations as yesterday's where Aliya and Adi are on different sides come into play. It's always a possibility that one child may question her when she is made to chose between them like she was yesterday!

With Pihu, all I can say is since the 11pm YHM believed that it is nuture that seems to win over nature and if they want to continue that to show Ishita should have been there for Pihu, then maybe they will show that through Shagun's upbringing. Most probably Pihu will be made into some selfish child who is the complete opposite of Ishita or maybe she might end up like Adi like he was in the beginning! Anyways let's see how the complicate what could have been a simple story further!

Thank you so much for replying!

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: varunike

absolutely...

i think we definitely need one break out of Ishitha on this where she questions everybody on this.. she needs to ask them for answers for doubting her everytime..

For sure, an outburst from Ishita is needed sometime soon! She gives up a lot for her children and tries to do everything she can for them only to not even be considered their mother when it comes to a tense situation! It would be nice to see her stand up when it is needed!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: nitii

U wrote it down perfect..damn these Cv's...I honestly felt very bad for Ishita..the women who gave immense love to everyone doesn't get what she deserves..the show once we all admired is just being ruined sadly...yet I'm happy that atleast Adi prooves to be a gem..and I fear how Ruhi is gonna behave with ishita..I'm sure this will kill her in real...she can withstand Raman's anger now but not Ruhi's hate for her

Thank you so much Nitz! I feel for both characters, but since this one is about Ishita will only talk about her. With Ishita, once she loves she gets ready to face every up and down for the people she loves but never wants anything in return. This makes people take her love and upbringing for granted, like Mani and Raman did in that scene! And as you mentioned Ruhi, seeing her hate after Raman's words will be a painful moment for Ishita, probably stepping over the bit of confidence she had in herself that she had fought for her son with!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: -K.13-

Also it's incredibly sad but in most Desi shows you always see bahu and/or patni parikshas, but YHM outdoes everything and you see motherhood parikshas.


When will Indian TV ever get over this mentality of running women through the deepest of crap to "empower" them? It only belittles men and shackles women. 🤔

As Niddoo pointed out to me...YHM went from a show with a message to a show that took its original message of hope, second chances, and relationships of the heart and turned it into an impetus for drama

Well since the main focus is on motherhood, like all desi shows they will end up botching the main focus hence it's always brought back to the sauteli maa topic rather than the bad bahu or whatever!

About empowerment, if they honestly wished to empower women, they could have done it so wonderfully through this show. It would have been amazing if they were to show real things such as, I don't know, normal everyday things like trying to balance between being a mother and a practicing dentist, raising a teenager as they started to YHM, but failed! And to add on that drama, they may as well show a woman failing to due so and then arguments through that, which I would be happy to watch because they seem real rather than all this!

Anyways since that's not happening, I have to agree that this show is nothing but a couple with amazing chemistry and the never ending drama in their lives! No longer about second chances, about healing with love, about the changes relationships go through in different phases of life! As much as I would hate to say, this is just another drama filled show!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Brilliant
You perfectly said it all...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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You made me cry literally Prabh.. So well said and the truth is said. And, it really feels bad to think that a barren woman can not be loved like a fertile woman, a barren woman can not be a mother in true sense😭. Also, YHM and its some viewers prove it times and again that a bilogical mother won't be questions for each and every action of hers regarding the kids, but a step mother will be crucified even not for her mistake. When Ruhi was taken with Nidhi, many people said Ishita is selfish, cared for her own child. But, I can undoubtedly say that even if Shagun would have been in that place, she would've taken care of the premature kid at first (if she had been a good mother) than Ruhi. But, also am sure, no one would've questioned Shagun cos she were the biological mom. Now, I wish either Ishita wouldn't have married with Raman or she would've been even more harsh than Raman in words. I hope to see the later one on the show sooner.
Brilliant post.

Edited by DivianTanz_Divz - 9 years ago

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