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I am making this topic after a lot of contemplation and people do agree that my topics get closed too often. I do not make topics based on fan girls though I admit I may previously moral police (as in the Please Respect DT Breakup and Not Make a Tamasha Out of It Topic.. ) and if you report my topics just because there is an actor you do not like mentioned (which for some reason I'm told people report), just to inform you they're in the official cast so I may as well mention them.

And if you report, please comment or at least PM me saying why you're reporting because I'm this close to thinking I'm hated here.

Now to the topic.

Since Redemption and Separation are directly proportional to each other which basically means we can not dream of or get redemption without separation:

I want a separation.

They've butchered Raman so much that I demand a separation. I doesn't have to be decades or years but months will do; but I want Ishita to take a break and think over why and if she wants this relation and Raman to ponder over his actions because I am tired of him messing up and her ignoring, pretending it never happened or at the maximum have a talk that sounds like more of an excuse rather than justification.

Tracks like the one where he manhandles her, tries to force himself on her, kicks her out for no reason, tries to be intimate to get things done, sneaks her signature/consent and now takes duping her to comic sequence as in OLV - that is huge. Men get divorced, relationships break and things get legal at times like these and Raman portrays Indian Men and I hate, on a personal level, the idea of an ideal Pati to be portrayed like this because at the end of the day it is not a joke but a portrayal.

I don't know what Korean men, Japanese men, American or even European men are like but can assume what to expect when I watch their shows. I can expect homely Japanese men through shows like Superman Returns and even conservative Korean men if taken reality TV. The dramas portray cold men who later turn into good partners. The heights are when Korean Makjangs have better men than the recent portrayal of Raman.

And mind you Makjangs are horrible, worse than Ekta and BT dramas with horrible plots and over exaggerated plots. If BT was bad, then Makjangs could be what inspired BT and not even BT could be decent when compared to Makjangs. As described by Dramabeans; makjang: a sylistic, tonal, or narrative element in dramas that chooses to play up outrageous storylines to keep viewers hooked despite how ridiculous the stories become (adultery, revenge, rape, birth secrets, fatal illnesses, and flirting with incest possibilities are some makjang favorites). Shows can be part of a makjang class of dramas (Wife's Temptation is a makjang series), or they can have makjang tendencies (Mary Stayed Out All Night went makjang toward the end). Generally considered a negative thing ("Gah, how makjang can you get?"), unless a drama intentionally embraces the style (such as Baker King Kim Tak-gu or Flames of Desire).

So how horrible would I be to compare Raman who was the first character and male I fell in love with and could connect to to a Makjang lead and be offended by him. I am not bashing Raman, so you may as well not bash Ishita and make this a hate post. I would hate for that to happen; instead I'm just saying what I have to.

Weeks ago we decided to ban the show and have one or two people update. Today the LU thread had no updater and people who where there didn't care. These are the same threads that once, even in hated tracks, sped so fast that one could not catch up with all posts.

I want a separation because if there is no separation Raman will be conveniently be forgotten and there will be no redemption.

I want redemption. I want to fall in RKB and Raman once again. Wouldn't the audience too want a scintillating, hot, powerful male leads who makes their heart beat rapidly and them squeal due to his chemistry with the female lead?

And please do not make Ishita and Shagun pregnant at the same time frame. That is sick. Even for it to happen. I would hate for Shagun's child to grow up among so much hatred as someone conveniently said this is Ruhi Version 2.0 in making. Because if Ishita leaves, Shagun will go to Manoj/Ashok/Raman and simply not care, Toshi will also look at the child as a blunder or Rinky version 2.0 but mostly Raman will look at the kid and hate him/her because not only will the child remind him of Ishita but also be a mistake that ruined his HEA. Sorry for the rude language.

This is what a friend of mine (whose name I do not wish to disclose unless the friend wants me to) had to say: Unless they show that this (the track) was because Raman found out that Ishita wasn't pregnant and Manoj was duping them for surrogacy and decided to expose the scam and then asks for forgiveness for a month and Ishita still walks out on him for some time, I'm not getting over this insult.

I want a separation so do many of us and upon asking have I opened up this thread where you/we can put up what kind of redemption/separation plots that we want. I will quote as we go.

Originally posted by: -Ara-

Taking the hilarious, sad, dramatic and typical BT route Ishita finds out that Raman is the father of Shagun's. Raman (and Shagun) try to convince it's her kid and decide for a DNA but the test tests for Shagun and Raman. Manoj who is besotted with Shagun decided to impregnate her with Raman's sperm giving her a second shot with Raman after hearing her past with her Raman.

Ara

Edited: 1 October 2015, 10 PM IST.

Please look for this before I add anything. I need to be online to edit and make changes.

Originally posted by: Divya5377

I don't know if redemption would bring us back..to be honest we will not be able see Raman anymore as our old Raman..they messed the character so badly..I would honestly say not only Ishita every women deserve better than him

Originally posted by: --Megha--

I guess you just wanted to say that after all Raman is just a character n he has erred big time this time, so a seperation is the next logical step and Ishita should not forgive him easily but only after he realizes his mistakes.

I agree with u on that part, but when I think of myself in place of Ishita its really difficult to put up with someone like Raman. Here I am saying that coz I am that kind of woman who will not bear verbal abuse, but Ishita takes it -people have defended it saying that Ishita knows Raman is not really angry n he just talks trash in anger.

So basically I cannot relate to Ishita who is quite different than how I am personally. If I ever find out any of my friends or close relatives bearing verbal abuse from their spouses, I would actually advice them for going in for a Couple's therapy which might suggest anger management for the abusing spouse n even if nothing works in the end then Seperation or divorce is an option. I dont think people should stay in an abusive relationship. Especially in case when you have children, here Adi might grow up to be a Raman who always makes mistakes n yells at his wife or Ruhi might grow up to be an Ishita who swallows her self respect and bears with husband's tantrums for family. Children learn a lot from their parent's actions more than their words.

I think problem with this serial is not just how Raman every time makes mistakes and every time Ishita forgives but also how these two behave as a couple (unit). In the end CVs should not give out a message that Ishita bears Raman's mistakes and tantrums so that this relationship stays intact.

Originally posted by: Wings-of-Fire

I didn't think of it in the possible worst case scenarios. Thanks. Now I'll contemplate this too.

Originally posted by: --Megha--

I guess you just wanted to say that after all Raman is just a character n he has erred big time this time, so a seperation is the next logical step and Ishita should not forgive him easily but only after he realizes his mistakes.

I agree with u on that part, but when I think of myself in place of Ishita its really difficult to put up with someone like Raman. Here I am saying that coz I am that kind of woman who will not bear verbal abuse, but Ishita takes it -people have defended it saying that Ishita knows Raman is not really angry n he just talks trash in anger.

So basically I cannot relate to Ishita who is quite different than how I am personally. If I ever find out any of my friends or close relatives bearing verbal abuse from their spouses, I would actually advice them for going in for a Couple's therapy which might suggest anger management for the abusing spouse n even if nothing works in the end then Seperation or divorce is an option. I dont think people should stay in an abusive relationship. Especially in case when you have children, here Adi might grow up to be a Raman who always makes mistakes n yells at his wife or Ruhi might grow up to be an Ishita who swallows her self respect and bears with husband's tantrums for family. Children learn a lot from their parent's actions more than their words.

I think problem with this serial is not just how Raman every time makes mistakes and every time Ishita forgives but also how these two behave as a couple (unit). In the end CVs should not give out a message that Ishita bears Raman's mistakes and tantrums so that this relationship stays intact.