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Posted: 10 years ago
#41
G, I am from phone so not quoting. Just read your post and you never bored anyone .

I would have been angry with puttar real bad any other day infect cursed him as well. But thanks to the segment and OLV , I wasn't affected much. Even then puttar's response to that act is atrocious and bizarre. Today that whichever woman is going to take him to her room only then will he realise. So yea puttar is bad

P.S: fangirls, war is still on
#Puttarismine 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: s_kavya

Beautiful ccollege Gan ... ishra ❤️

Passion and Possessiveness this two words of your post title which we saw in today's Epi you know what I and i think many ppl always enjoy to watch this two aspects in any love story.. and when this two aspects portrayed by brilliant actors like DT and KP then its always like we have short of words to praise that performance that brilliance of acting.. once again DT.. KP nailed each scen of today's Epi with there OUTSTANDING performance 👏

Coming to Epi my heart went out for both ishra.. they both were in pain.. both were fighting with there insecurities.. both were scared of looseing other.. yes they love each other way to much.. yes they know in there heart that other will never ever think of hurting him or herself but still past incidents and recent circumstances making them vulnerable.. loved the raw emotions of both ishra..

That dance was Beautiful.. yes Raman was rough with his ishita but then it was his love.. his possessiveness.. for her.. he loves her way to much that even a thought of looseing her make him mad.. make him restless.. its scares him if she also change and leave him ..i loved loved that Eyelock where he lost in her.. he was knowing he was hurting her without any fault of her. Her teary eyes effected him but then he immediately looked away.. that manipulation of Ashok was echoing in his mind.. though I didn't liked the way he behaved in this rude manner with his wife without any fault of her in the party but still can't totally blame him.. i felt very bad for ishu poor girl was heartbroken.. she was already emotionally vulnerable after shagun's words and then all this made her more sad.. Her tears.. Her hurt while she saw Raman dancing with other lady was very beautifully portrayed by DT.. i loved that dance scen most in the Epi..

Here is some lines of beautiful song on which ishra were dancing..

Aashiyana mera saath Tere hai na
Dhundhte teri gali mujhko ghar mila
Aabodaana mera haath tere hai na
Dhundhte tera khuda mujhko rab mila
Tu jho mila lo ho gaya main kabil
Tu jho mila ho gaya sab haasil

Muskil sahi Aasan hui manzil
Kyunki tu Dhadkan main Dil ❤️



Thank you Kavya for posting the lyrics of the song..I loved the song...and it the song today formed the ironic background where two peopl whose true feelings were reflected in that song, were hurting one by her husband making her feel undesired, other gripped by the fear of losing her ...poignancy at its best and like you described in @bold...the moment for today's episode for me...I was not planning to make a post till I got home after work...but was just moved to make the collage...it ate into my lunch hour...but I just had to...so much affected I was by the scene and DivAn just made it so special.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: Annthew

Couldn't watch the epi yet, but on the whole the impression I get is that Raman was too rude so I'm waiting for ur posts collages & the discussions here to get a clear view.



Yes he was rude...very rude...but still I couldnt bring myself to be angry with him...as I could somehow feel his pain too...My heart broke for Ishita...and also felt bad for Puttar. If you have not watched it, watch it for Karan and Divyanka...one of their best acting on display today😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Repeating it again n again😊 ...Beautiful collage n update...Top left pic - Happy that you captured n explained it beautifully...That few seconds when Ishita felt a glimpse of what she was expecting from her man...

For me, yesterday yet again was an episode where whatever happened could not be classified as right or wrong...Because even though the reasons r different, to me their insecurities are almost the same...If Ishita is being questioned on her womanhood then Raman is being questioned on his capability as a man to satisfy his lady(in all senses)...Their insecurities were triggered by two outsiders but was fueled unknowingly by themselves...A worried Raman(on Ashoks words) would have calmed down slowly n steadily, if he did not see his Ishita in the most unexpected avatar...For him she is that wife who said that her choice is to look sexy only n only for him...So, this sudden change was indigestible to him...And for Ishita, the timing she chose to do this for her husband, was so so bad...And they ended up badly hurting each other...

Shagun had a high place in Raman's heart when she was his wife...And a nerdy Happy transformed into an arrogant RKB, when she fell from that height in his heart...And now, it is obvious that Ishita is almost ruling his heart as his wife n true love...So, just a mere thought of Ishita falling from that height will make him go berserk...And that is what we saw yesterday...But like u said no woman will like to be in Ishita's shoes either, because her man was being outright rude, for reasons unknown to her...So, surprisingly if Ishita's state is sympathetic, Raman's plight is also not good...But one thing I liked is, even though it was hurting, he chose to speak out to her the fact that was disturbing him...

It is known that these two act so crazily when they are angered to the peak...Both Raman n Ishita have never given a damn to the public while venting out their frustration when super pissed off with each other...But every time they reconciled happily without a third person...But this time unfortunately, everything is gonna go out of control from these two...So,whatever is gonna happen today will be taken with a pinch of salt by me...Mrs. Tandon trying to seduce Raman n take him to a room just to keep him away from Ishita; but luckily he becomes successful in putting some sense into her brain...Ashok almost molesting an unconscious Ishita but saved in the nick of time, out of all, by none other than Shagun ( maybe to validate some revelations later😆)...All this just because drama is an age old tradition in fictional shows...

Like everyone what excites me is what follows all this...After all those baby talks from IshRa( n even Ruhi😆), the Cv's at the very last moment somehow manages to make IshRa consummate only out of passion n desire😳...

As always the two reasons why I am glued to this show did not fail to surprise me yesterday also...KP n DT...👏


Edited by mreshma - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#45
It was a beautiful episode!! Very Raw!! My heart went out to Ishita!! She faced so much of dejection and raman's behaviour with her is outright rude and insensitive but he was battling with his own insecurities. There were 3 highlights for me in the episode.
1st is their eyelock when they were drowning in each other and raman pulled back
2nd is when ishita was continuously looking at him to get his attention while dancing to understand y he is miffed with her so much and when she got his attention momentarily she asked him "raman bataiyen na actual me problem kya hai" that stole the show for me even after feeling so unwanted and dejected and undesirable she understood that its not the dress that is a problem or she wearing it is neither a problem too but there is something more deep whats bothering him!!
3rd is iyer sisters convo i wanted to whack raman when i heard ishita asking mihika to come and pick up she did not want to stay there and was deeple hurt such a beautiful portrayal by divyanka!!
Acting was top notch!! I liked divyanka more yesterday cz she portrayed various emotions!! She was smiling with mrs jhakkar though she was in pain, she was confused y her husband is not looking at her and then she was deeply hurt when her husband compared her with shagun!! Kp was brilliant too in ravan kumar mode!!
People are saying the track seems forced and its too late in their relationship but i would say its high time if u go by both of their pasts curent track is still justified!! Sharam were married for 6 long years and even had a child and still shagun changed and glt influenced by ashok after 6 long years the supposed change in shagun is a qn mark though cz she was always allured with luxuries and for that she even put pressure on raman but if we go by what raman keeps on saying that ashok changed shagun to the woman she is now offcourse pre st version of her then his insecurities are justified as with ishita he is just married for 1.5 years and they havent even consummated their marriage and possesed each other yet though ishita is diff than shagun and he trusts her but the sudden change which he witnessed in Ishita and ashok's words made him actually think on those lines!! And ishita's inscurities about being undesirable also stem somewhere from her past as her love the man she trusted the most abondened her cz she could not conceive and now shagun telling about raman being sexually active with her brought all that to the forefront so i dont think the track is forced it was needed ro bring them out of their complecencies and fight their ultimate insecurities and to unite in purest way possible "sirf ek duje ke liye"
Collages are awesome as usual Gan!!
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Posted: 10 years ago
#46
Hi gan this is my first comment on ur post so please forgive if I made mistake and if I hurt also forgive please...
I totally agree with u and every one point view and my heart went for both ishu and raman but mostly for ishu because was compared to shagun which not acceptable for me but the circumstances like that its ok dancing with Mrs tandon is to much for me...
Gan this is my personal question to u please answer this please...
Yesterday pissed off in forum that people saying that dress doesn't suit dt and it is vulgar and some one facebook their said that she aged that the reason she does not fit properly in that dress(gown) and look like elephant like that please give me one answer she doesn't look nice in that dress.
Why I asked this question because I like or mad or love DT like that I don't get sleep well I want to know the answer and I asked u because u give perfect answer for that...
Sorry again for my 1st comment I don't think twice to ask this question sorry...
And the episode is very good and performances given by DT and KP I am going on them...
Once again sorry...😭
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Lovely writeup .. Beautiful college Gan 👏

Anu.. Aru Thanks for the Gifs ❤️
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Posted: 10 years ago
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G!!!! 🤗 OMG, it's been so long but I feel like I'm kind of coming home, coz you know your thread has always been my home on this forum where I met some of the most amazing 'thank gawd you're not a creeper in a van' strangers.❤️

But this last episode, specifically, Tuesday's , was compelling enough to want me to contribute something. I loved it, so so much... for me that insecurity and pain- that's my YHM, that's why I love ISHRA.

First, Ishita, I loved it- DT , even more beautiful of late though the dress wasn't exactly to my taste , just knocked it out of the park. I loved that trembling that wavering in confidence. Trying to be who she should be, who her family was encouraging her to , who she knows she is now- and failing because of the haunting words of the wolf in sheep's clothing . The way that DT illustrated all those quick change of emotion, that inner battle- trying and failing to let the words just stay in the air... beautiful!👏

And then Raman- puttar is back baby! I love Romantic Kumar as much as the next puttar fangirl but, man this angsty guy, this is the Raman that won me over in the first place. And KP, as always, so on the top of his game- trying to show strength, trying to stick to this convictions and then the niggling doubt , the slight fear that starts to take root and take over and still he tries so valiantly to hide it- because he can't let it take over, especially infront of Ashok. Beautiful.

As for the flaring up of the insecurities- to me, it didn't feel forced or gimmicky, albeit I haven't watched the show regularly for a while- but in this context, it completely makes sense to me. Insecurities are such because they speak to our deepest fears, even those that are unknown to us; and they take root- they grown in the shadow of our fear and try as we might to rid ourselves of them and 'overcome' because we know we are beyond that space, they never quite leave us. And that's the case with ISHRA- at the base, they have each never believed themselves to be worthy of love. That's their one truth.

Their past has taught them to be cautious and fearful of love and though they have finally found this second chance, that sense of self doubt and unworthiness still remains. As I have said before , neither can believe that a person this amazing is in love with them. To them, more then anyone else on the show, love is an unbelievable and fragile gift and they are just waiting for it to be taken away from them. And the casual words of Shagun & Ashok just brought that all back to the forefront. The ISHRA on our screen these past two days aren't Raman's Ishita and Ishita's Raman- we are watching Shagun's Raman & Subbu's Ishita coming out and showing their heads... and that's why this all makes sense to me.

All this time we saw one angle of Ishita's insecurity, that of motherhood, but the fact is that whole process is tied to the act of procreation and all that rejection of her because of her 'inability to conceive' has also blanketed her view of herself as a desirable woman. And that makes sense. Because before his anniversary gift gave her hope- the only reason that there was for a man to be intimate with Ishita , in her mind , was for pleasure- and the rest of the world had told her, and she herself had begun to believe that her inability to conceive made her undesirable. So then why was she still hesitant even after knowing of the possibility of motherhood? When she herself had made advances towards her husband?

I don't really think that there is a reason, and there needn't be. Because insecurities crop up again and again at the most unexpected times. For Ishita it was Shagun- even now, the opposite of everything she was, and yes of course it was Shagun, Raman's ex wife- but to Ishita Shagun will always be Raman's first wife. She was the first in his life, the first woman he loved, the first woman he chose and the mother of his, now her kids and she was the trigger that brought up all the insecurity, especially on the back of a doctor's visit that touched on the biggest insecurities in her life. So she allowed that woman and her words to have a little power- and that little power was enough for the insecurity to take root. This doesn't mean she never meant it when she made advances towards her husband or she doesn't believe in his love for her- this just means that in that moment, her insecurities were bigger then her clarity.

As for Raman, Ashok will always be the symbol of his biggest failure. And to have him say those words, and then, to be 'proven right' as he saw his Ishita like that, that was the trigger for him. When Raman looks at Ishita, he saw Shagun, he saw his failure- he did not see his wife. So he lashed out and hurt, because that's what RKB does best- strike first and strike fast... but oh how he was hurting. The peeks of vulnerabilty and self disgust was beautifully portrayed by KP. Raman was rude and crude and oh so confused but its not because he can't see her hurt or her love, its because the moment he saw her like that his insecurities were bigger then her truth.

I don't know if this made any sense because I'm half asleep right now and so overwhelmed by the emotion of these last two episodes. But I had to plead my case, because I know a lot of people were frustrated about why they acted that way and to me it made total sense. I hope that I managed to express myself somewhat sensibly. IMHO Insecurities never disappear because they speak to the root of our fears, the thing we see lacking in ourselves- yes for ISHRA this idea was influenced by the words and expectations of the world- but the truth remains that this is their burden and they will always carry it. It can and will never be fully erased, just hidden.

As always, this was much longer then it probably needs to be and I apologize. It's been a while though so i hope you will give me some leeway. I missed this G, and I am so glad we got an epi that finally gave me the change to put on my armchair psychologist hat. Again, hanks for the space, the awesomeness that is your thread and that beauti
ful collage and words. You always say so simply what I take a million paragraphs to say- well done!






Edited by RomComFan - 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: RomComFan

G!!!! 🤗 OMG, it's been so long but I feel like I'm kind of coming home, coz you know your thread has always been my home on this forum where I met some of the most amazing 'thank gawd you're no a creeper in a van' strangers.❤️

But this last episode, specifically, Tuesday's , was compelling enough to want me to contribute something. I loved it, so so much... for me that insecurity and pain- that's my YHM, that's why I love ISHRA.

First, Ishita, I loved it- DT , even more beautiful of late though the dress wasn't exactly to my taste , just knocked it out of the park. I loved that trembling that wavering in confidence. Trying to be who she should be, who her family was encouraging her to , who she knows she is now- and failing because of the haunting words of the wolf in sheep's clothing . The way that DT illustrated all those quick change of emotion, that inner battle- trying and failing to let the words just stay in the air... beautiful!👏

And then Raman- puttar is back baby! I love Romantic Kumar as much as the next puttar fangirl but, man this angsty guy, this is the Raman that won me over in the first place. and KP, as always, so on the top of his game- trying to show strength, trying to stick to this convictions and then the niggling doubt , the slight fear that starts to take root and take over and still he tries so valiantly to hide it- because he can't let it take over, especially infront of Ashok. Beautiful.

As for the flaring up of the insecurities- to me, it didn't feel forced or gimmicky, albeit I haven't watched the show regularly for a while- but in this context, it completely makes sense to me. Insecurities are such because they speak to our deepest fears, even those that are unknown to us; and they take root- they grown in the shadow of our fear and try as we might to rid ourselves of them and 'overcome' because we know we are beyond that space, they never quite leave us. And that's the case with ISHRA- at the base, they have each never believed themselves to be worthy of love. That's their one truth.

Their past has taught them to be cautious and fearful of love and though they have finally found this second chance, that sense of self doubt and unworthiness still remains. As I have said before , neither can believe that a person this amazing is in love with them. To them, more then anyone else on the show, love is an unbelievable and fragile gift and they are just waiting for it to be taken away from them. And the casual words of Shagun & Ashok just brought that all back to the forefront. The ISHRA on our screen these past two days aren't Raman's Ishita and Ishita's Raman- we are watching Shagun's Raman & Subbu's Ishita coming out and showing their heads... and that's why this all makes sense to me.

All this time we saw one angle of Ishita's insecurity, that of motherhood, but the fact is that whole process is tied to the act of procreation and all that rejection of her because of her 'inability to conceive' has also blanketed her view of herself as a desirable woman. And that makes sense. Because before his anniversary gift gave her hope- the only reason that there was for a man to be intimate with Ishita , in her mind , was for pleasure- and the rest of the world had told her, and she herself had begun to believe that her inability to conceive made her undesirable. So then why was she still hesitant even after knowing of the possibility of motherhood? When she herself had made advances towards her husband?

I don't really think that there is a reason, and there needn't be. Because insecurities crop up again and again at the most unexpected times. For Ishita it was Shagun- even now, the opposite of everything she was, and yes of course it was Shagun, Raman's ex wife- but to Ishita Shagun will always be Raman's first wife. She was the first in his life, the first woman he loved, the first woman he chose and the mother of his, now her kids and she was the trigger that brought up all the insecurity, especially on the back of a doctor's visit that touched on the biggest insecurities in her life. So she allowed that woman and her words to have a little power- and that little power was enough for the insecurity to take root. This doesn't mean she never meant it when she made advances towards her husband or she doesn't believe in his love for her- this just means that in that moment, her insecurities were bigger then her clarity.

As for Raman, Ashok will always be the symbol of his biggest failure. And to have him say those words, and then, to be 'proven right' as he saw his Ishita like that, that was the trigger for him. When Raman looks at Ishita, he saw Shagun, he saw his failure- he did not see his wife. So he lashed out and hurt, because that's what RKB does best- strike first and strike fast... but oh how he was hurting. The peeks of vulnerabilty and self disgust was beautifully portrayed by KP. Raman was rude and crude and oh so confused but its not because he can't see her hurt or her love, its because the moment he saw her like that his insecurities were bigger then her truth.

I don't know if this made any sense because I'm half asleep right now and so overwhelmed by the emotion of these last two episodes. But I had to plead my case, because I know a lot of people were frustrated about why they acted that way and to me it made total sense. I hope that I managed to express myself somewhat sensibly. IMHO Insecurities never disappear because they speak to the root of our fears, the thing we see lacking in ourselves- yes for ISHRA this idea was influenced by the words and expectations of the world- but the truth remains that this is their burden and they will always carry it. It can and will never be fully erased, just hidden.

As always, this was much longer then it probably needs to be and I apologize. It's been a while though so i hope you will give me some leeway. I missed this G, and I am so glad we got an epi that finally gave me the change to put on my armchair psychologist hat. Again, hanks for the space, the awesomeness that is your thread and that beauti
ful collage and words. You always say so simply what I take a million paragraphs to say- well done!






so so beautifully written...happy to see that there are people who felt what I did after watching the episodes...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: JayashreeV

Hi gan this is my first comment on ur post so please forgive if I made mistake and if I hurt also forgive please...

I totally agree with u and every one point view and my heart went for both ishu and raman but mostly for ishu because was compared to shagun which not acceptable for me but the circumstances like that its ok dancing with Mrs tandon is to much for me...
Gan this is my personal question to u please answer this please...
Yesterday pissed off in forum that people saying that dress doesn't suit dt and it is vulgar and some one facebook their said that she aged that the reason she does not fit properly in that dress(gown) and look like elephant like that please give me one answer she doesn't look nice in that dress.
Why I asked this question because I like or mad or love DT like that I don't get sleep well I want to know the answer and I asked u because u give perfect answer for that...
Sorry again for my 1st comment I don't think twice to ask this question sorry...
And the episode is very good and performances given by DT and KP I am going on them...
Once again sorry...😭

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I think Ishita absolutely looked gorgeous in that dress... So much emphasis is put on a woman's body weight...and unfortunately it's us women who are the biggest critic when it comes to censuring a woman for wearing an outfit which we deem is not suitable for her because she doesn't have slim figure. But when you think of it.. Most women don't have model like perfect figure, even the ones who are criticizing...so why can't they wear something they feel happy in it. And DT has a real woman, curvaceous body... And the best thing is she oozes confidence in anything she dorns ... So that makes her a wonderful vision. So to answer your question in one sentence: she was gorgeous!
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