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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: krishy13



Anku - I agree with you about how beautiful it is to see Raman come full circle. But it brings me to my next point - he's come full circle but since he has acknowledged his love for her - how has he grown?

He definitely has grown Krishy, by leaps. But his impulse and ego are a part of him and THIS is not a justification but they are what make his character. At the end of the day he's the same RKB but some traits don't change forever.

I saw Kri posted that it's good to see Raman make mistakes, and I agree in the sense Raman's mistakes make him him. Plus someone needs to take the brunt to progress the track. But all we appear to see is Raman making major mistakes over the last 6 months and it's tiring bc with the closure of the tracks it always comes off that Ishita continues to bear most of the burden. Raman is indearing because he is real, he does lose his temper, & he attempts to own up to it. However so much of the plot relies solely on the fascet of Raman.

ABOUT THAT. Nothing can really be done now. Somehow I've come to accept that if I watch this show I'll have to accept an always making mistakes male lead and a completely right female lead. It takes away a lot from the show we came to love. But its something not in our control. I think not even in the hands of the writers. This comes from the channel. At least if nothing, I hope that if they make him commit mistakes, they will conclude it well too because it is the conclusion where they really ruin it all.


Overall no one is fully right or wrong with the current situation. I, like you, want there to be a catch to Ishita being "kicked out."

Somewhere I even now think that the kicking out is a plan. They could be involved in it or something else. Because their attitude in the competition wasn't like they had a very serious separation. Everyone else looked really happy too 😕

Yes we say it's special to Ishita & Raman that no matter the fight it ends in nok-jok, but objectively looking - this relationship unbalanced. They love each other no doubt, but love shouldn't be a justification for constant forgiveness of Raman's anger or major mistakes.

Totally. Love does not justify being mean and angry at the drop of the hat. But as far as their relation is concerned. I've always believed they're a different couple. Their relation's base was difference of opinions. They are strong individuals first and a couple later. Their individuality brings a lot of ego too. Which is obviously more in the male lead because he is a male 😆 And that brings about their issues and then their bond that's grown stronger because they accept and love each other the way they are makes them overcome those issues and differences. I know there's not a balance. And if the female lead made mistakes too it wouldn't seem like its unbalanced. But like I said earlier. It's not something we can do much about. It's going to be that way and will have to be ignored.

Thus far this track has been beautiful, and it looks like they will continue this method of story telling. I don't mean to be a Debby Downer or anything...it's just a general feeling I've had.

Hopefully I didn't offend everyone or say anything meh or illogical. 😃

Also I don't mean to side with any one character. I find all the characters right and wrong both.. at some point they are right and at other wrong. I speak from all the pov's
Also Paramji is actually back!! 🥳

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Posted: 10 years ago
Problems between Ishra are for real... I am not seeing any plan. If such is the case, they won't fight in the absence of Minky... Before Subbu's eyes, perfect couple became not so perfect... As a wife, Ishita has already fought her battle by shooing Shagun out of Raman's life... Now, its Raman's turn
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: krishy13



That's my concern - anger is fine. Yelling is tolerable.

It's the dialogs spewed that are hard to watch. I mentioned it before but it's like Ishita's off hand remark about Raman wearing bangles during the child swap or Raman saying "Ishima bane ka..."

In anger we vent our frustration, but the dialogs I've heard in the past are very low blows that rip into the very core of the character. That's not anger...that's cruel.


Even before Raman would get angry & yell but did we hear such low blows so often? That's where my confusion about what they hope to accomplish stems from. Now that they are in love, why such cruel fights?

Both Ishita & Raman have now done this but Raman does it more often.

Just the way these fights take shape discredit Raman's POV to some degree because he may not be 100% right but in his POV he is justified at being frustrated just like Ishita.


Exactly, its just the way he goes about it, its wrong. His ego interferes with the reasoning and he can't see that he agreed with the marriage by not arguing then. He is worried from DAY 1 that Mihir might not be able to love Rinki like he loved Mihika and might never be over the latter. It was evident .. and he wanted to trust Ishita's instincts but if anything back fired he was always going to remove his frustration ( I get him there) she didn't ask anyone before making a decision and MAYBE JUST MAYBE the Bhalla's supported her because they didn't want to create a further issue when things were resolving. And somewhere she was kinda wrong. And Raman is right in saying that she can't always be justified. But then that's it. The argument should end there. It shouldn't cross limits in the use of language and tone to an extent that even if he's right.. he'll end up looking like the wrong one here.


Ishita does it too, but her tone is not always so bad, and she's done it lesser compared to him. So it goes unnoticed 😆

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: -Anku-

Exactly, its just the way he goes about it, its wrong. His ego interferes with the reasoning and he can't see that he agreed with the marriage by not arguing then. He is worried from DAY 1 that Mihir might not be able to love Rinki like he loved Mihika and might never be over the latter. It was evident .. and he wanted to trust Ishita's instincts but if anything back fired he was always going to remove his frustration ( I get him there) she didn't ask anyone before making a decision and MAYBE JUST MAYBE the Bhalla's supported her because they didn't want to create a further issue when things were resolving. And somewhere she was kinda wrong. And Raman is right in saying that she can't always be justified. But then that's it. The argument should end there. It shouldn't cross limits in the use of language and tone to an extent that even if he's right.. he'll end up looking like the wrong one here.


Ishita does it too, but her tone is not always so bad, and she's done it lesser compared to him. So it goes unnoticed😆



I'm happy I'm not the only one who feels this way, but I sort of figured we'd be on the same page! 😆

I'm not looking at it right now from characters' POV...but overall the effect of these fights is always the same - Raman has problems and Ishita bears the brunt of it. It's not about right and wrong because both characters, like you've stated, are right in their own stance.

But because of how these fights/mistakes are portrayed...we see such a strong divide.

Like you mentioned earlier - things aren't going to change, and I've come to terms with it. I just wonder about the type of marriage that is being conveyed. Love shouldn't cripple and I'm happy if Ishita leaves bc maybe it will finally put an end to these low blows.

Let the fights & anger continue bc they are real...but limit the low blows to the villians. 😃
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Posted: 10 years ago
agat Mata Ishita bechari glorification and Raman Monster - The Sequel!!!
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Thats all I have to say!!!!!
We have to show the lead as bechari so that everyone supports her and make raman the monster so that everyone goes against him!!!! Feminism at its best!!!!!

Why can't it be the other way round???

Ishita becomes monster and Raman the one that suffers??

Of course we can't, its a taboo on indian television!!!! How can the lead female ever be wrong????
The CVs cannot let their female lead be bashed!!!

Obviously they need to make sure the female lead is glorified!!!!
How can i forget????😆

the monster will apologize and worship her but reverse will never happen even if JM transforms to monster avtar
Of course!!!!
How can we forget that its a sin to make JM apologize??
How dare we think that she needs to apologise???

Everything she does is always right!!!
She's never wrong!!!!
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: krishy13



I'm happy I'm not the only one who feels this way, but I sort of figured we'd be on the same page! 😆

I'm not looking at it right now from characters' POV...but overall the effect of these fights is always the same - Raman has problems and Ishita bears the brunt of it. It's not about right and wrong because both characters, like you've stated, are right in their own stance.

But because of how these fights/mistakes are portrayed...we see such a strong divide.

Like you mentioned earlier - things aren't going to change, and I've come to terms with it. I just wonder about the type of marriage that is being conveyed. Love shouldn't cripple and I'm happy if Ishita leaves bc maybe it will finally put an end to these low blows.

Let the fights & anger continue bc they are real...but limit the low blows to the villians. 😃


I agree with both of you. It is the low blows that is just plain wrong. Whether it be the Ishima taunt or the Ishita's choodiyaan one, or the one from today where he tells her to get out. Before this I would have just wanted Ishita to say It is my house as well and stand her ground, but the reaction even after she says that it is not her house is plain wrong. Is it not a type of rejection too? As long as things she does works in favor of his family, its her house; as soon as something goes wrong ; it is not her house any longer. It makes no sense for the CVs o make Raman behave that way after what all they have been through.

I agree that Raman is impulsive- But should not your impulse also be to protect your loved one? And If you love your wife then- you would fight with her- yell- remove frustrations but never ever utter the words "OUT". Same thing with Ishita- She is impusive as well sometimes- But the fact that it is a bit toned down- downplays it and as Anku said, comes out as a stark difference on screen.

@Anku- I seriously hope there is more to this Get out business that what was shown today.
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Posted: 10 years ago
Am I the only one who's a little less enthusiastic about watching the episode today?
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: -Anku-

Am I the only one who's a little less enthusiastic about watching the episode today?


Count me in
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Posted: 10 years ago

Story is getting repetitive
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: -Anku-


Story is getting repetitive

raman makes mistake- guilty - drama- nok jhok apology... REPEAT

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