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Posted: 10 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: Eyes-Wide-Shut

G thanks for putting this collage up, we needed this today. And your write up did full justice tot the intricacies of today's episode, only a parent can write about this delicate situation and bring out the nuances of childhood. Thanks 🤗

"Through the blur, I wondered if I was alone or if other parents felt the same way I did - that everything involving our children was painful in some way. The emotions, whether they were joy, sorrow, love or pride, were so deep and sharp that in the end they left you raw, exposed and yes, in pain. The human heart was not designed to beat outside the human body and yet, each child represented just that - a parent's heart bared, beating forever outside its chest." - Debra Ginsberg


You know I am not a parent so I cannot fathom or even begin to understand the pain that a father would endure seeing his beloved Son fill with hatred towards life. Today was such a soul stirring episode to see a child lose his innocence in the process of becoming a pawn in the hands of the deceitful world. A 12 year old boy has been wronged by this parents, his upbringing and largely by himself. Children do not follow advice they imitate actions! Adi does what he sees around him, he sees his mom, and the unfortunate father figures around him plotting, planning and being deceitful. The only thing Adi knows is hatred, revenge, plotting and planning because that is what he has grown up with.
As they say, monkey see monkey do! 😆
This might be my immense love for puttar but I do not find him at fault in this situation, Raman has to be the most helpless character of this show, he did not abandon his son, he did not stop loving his son, he did not asked to be cheated on. Fate dealt him with blows after blows, his wife cheating on him, his son being snatched away, his son being poisoned by his disgruntled wife. His immense love for his son made puttar commit a lot of crimes, just to win his son's love, he tried to be a father to his broken child but circumstances always hindered his outreach. How do you reach a son whose heart is full of malice and hatred towards his father, it's easier said than done. Reconciliation takes time and this father son duo will take time to make amends, it will surely be a sight to see Adi seeing his father for who he really is without the Shagun's misguided lens.

Today puttar realized the extent of hate in his little boy's heart and the helplessness that he cannot do anything to replace the hate with love. Heartbreaking to see a man so powerful rendered so helpless by his own progeny. Like the quote above says, parenting is not easy. It is literally seeing your heart beating outside your body, unfortunately for Raman his bleeding heart didn't reach his son in time.

My heart is crying for puttar, my man boy is hurting to see his beloved wife in despair and his beloved son quarreling with the dark world of hatred and deceit. How unfortunate for Raman that a part of him(Adi) has became the the source of despair in his life(Ishita).
Is it wrong that I felt for Raman today more so than Adi? I don't know why but Raman's plight touched my heart today, I am blaming my immense love for puttar 😆



First of all G, Doc- as usual amazing posts..I think I am at a point that I look forward to both of your posts and comments on each other's threads more then the show.
But I agree with you Doc, I felt more for Raman today then I felt for Adi. That quote is so true, Having children is like having your heart beat outside your body for the rest of your life. And I am too selfish to even understand what parents go through, however to hear words of hatred and disgust from your own child is heartbreaking. This is his first born son, the first person to call him a father, this boy will forever hold his heart and there is question about that. Regardless of how involved Raman was in the Adi's upbringing, a father cannot help but blame himself for his son't attitude.
Adi was the one who suffered the most when his parent's divorced but the thing is despite all of that, he does not know any better. His hatred, his attitude comes from what is taught to him and he really does not know any better. And he has experienced Love from his mother so I would'nt exactly call him deprived of love.

I think I feel more sympathetic towards characters who knows better and are helpless against circumstances then characters who don't any better. Adi did what he saw, what he learned, what he absorbed from his environment and as much as we feel bad for him. He is not going through a guilty complex, he might be scared from the result of his actions but I don' exactly see guilt.

Raman on the other hand is completely helpless- he sees his son going down the wrong path, he wants to change him, he wants to do right by everyone in his life. The irony here is that the more right he tries to do, the more wrong things become. Knowing that you are at blame somewhat for the circumstances around you and then feeling helpless to change it. That's the worst feeling!

On a side note, KP portrayal was bang on, his eyes when he was talking to his son- sigh👏
He really gets into the skin of his character!! Sigh..don't worry, this post is only about today's show and not about KP. I am suppressing my fangirl side for now..




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Posted: 10 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: Eyes-Wide-Shut

G thanks for putting this collage up, we needed this today. And your write up did full justice tot the intricacies of today's episode, only a parent can write about this delicate situation and bring out the nuances of childhood. Thanks 🤗

"Through the blur, I wondered if I was alone or if other parents felt the same way I did - that everything involving our children was painful in some way. The emotions, whether they were joy, sorrow, love or pride, were so deep and sharp that in the end they left you raw, exposed and yes, in pain. The human heart was not designed to beat outside the human body and yet, each child represented just that - a parent's heart bared, beating forever outside its chest." - Debra Ginsberg


You know I am not a parent so I cannot fathom or even begin to understand the pain that a father would endure seeing his beloved Son fill with hatred towards life. Today was such a soul stirring episode to see a child lose his innocence in the process of becoming a pawn in the hands of the deceitful world. A 12 year old boy has been wronged by this parents, his upbringing and largely by himself. Children do not follow advice they imitate actions! Adi does what he sees around him, he sees his mom, and the unfortunate father figures around him plotting, planning and being deceitful. The only thing Adi knows is hatred, revenge, plotting and planning because that is what he has grown up with.
As they say, monkey see monkey do! 😆
This might be my immense love for puttar but I do not find him at fault in this situation, Raman has to be the most helpless character of this show, he did not abandon his son, he did not stop loving his son, he did not asked to be cheated on. Fate dealt him with blows after blows, his wife cheating on him, his son being snatched away, his son being poisoned by his disgruntled wife. His immense love for his son made puttar commit a lot of crimes, just to win his son's love, he tried to be a father to his broken child but circumstances always hindered his outreach. How do you reach a son whose heart is full of malice and hatred towards his father, it's easier said than done. Reconciliation takes time and this father son duo will take time to make amends, it will surely be a sight to see Adi seeing his father for who he really is without the Shagun's misguided lens.

Today puttar realized the extent of hate in his little boy's heart and the helplessness that he cannot do anything to replace the hate with love. Heartbreaking to see a man so powerful rendered so helpless by his own progeny. Like the quote above says, parenting is not easy. It is literally seeing your heart beating outside your body, unfortunately for Raman his bleeding heart didn't reach his son in time.

My heart is crying for puttar, my man boy is hurting to see his beloved wife in despair and his beloved son quarreling with the dark world of hatred and deceit. How unfortunate for Raman that a part of him(Adi) has became the the source of despair in his life(Ishita).
Is it wrong that I felt for Raman today more so than Adi? I don't know why but Raman's plight touched my heart today, I am blaming my immense love for puttar 😆




wonderful Doc!

You made a very good case for your Puttar( why am I not surprised😆? ). And you're right Raman's not to be blamed for Adi's situation...those reasons you mentioned are bang on.

But unfortunately Raman, as a parent, cannot but feel the pain as a failure when it comes to Adi's wrongdoing; this is his own blood and Raman takes ownership of his children's behavior...And he's a good parent and he tried to scold him about it ...but what Adi said to him got to him, because he realized that his son's problems are much deeper than just his contempt for Raman and hatred for Ishita...he feels alone though he has two parents...and that's when he tried to reach out to his son, sort of extending his hand of support but Adi's pure hatred in his eyes stopped him...because till now he had thought of Adi's issues as issues of an over-indulged young child with lack of proper parental guidance...but today he realized the enormity of his son's anti-social/negative tendencies.

You're right, your Puttar's again caught between his two loves:Adi and Ishita..now how he balances will be something to watch. BTW KP was brilliant again...his body language change in the scene with Adi was just fantastic. *totally objective comment*

God knows whether I made sense. As much as a parent I felt another parent's pain...my heart went out to that poor boy whose childhood has been robbed from him for not a fault of his own and now he's become an easy pawn for some really sinister adults who are masking as his sympathizers.

Doc your post should have been a stand alone post...as it's brilliant...especially the quote!👏



Edited by GanBarunFan - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: hemanshi



First of all G, Doc- as usual amazing posts..I think I am at a point that I look forward to both of your posts and comments on each other's threads more then the show.
But I agree with you Doc, I felt more for Raman today then I felt for Adi. That quote is so true, Having children is like having your heart beat outside your body for the rest of your life. And I am too selfish to even understand what parents go through, however to hear words of hatred and disgust from your own child is heartbreaking. This is his first born son, the first person to call him a father, this boy will forever hold his heart and there is question about that. Regardless of how involved Raman was in the Adi's upbringing, a father cannot help but blame himself for his son't attitude.
Adi was the one who suffered the most when his parent's divorced but the thing is despite all of that, he does not know any better. His hatred, his attitude comes from what is taught to him and he really does not know any better. And he has experienced Love from his mother so I would'nt exactly call him deprived of love.

I think I feel more sympathetic towards characters who knows better and are helpless against circumstances then characters who don't any better. Adi did what he saw, what he learned, what he absorbed from his environment and as much as we feel bad for him. He is not going through a guilty complex, he might be scared from the result of his actions but I don' exactly see guilt.

Raman on the other hand is completely helpless- he sees his son going down the wrong path, he wants to change him, he wants to do right by everyone in his life. The irony here is that the more right he tries to do, the more wrong things become. Knowing that you are at blame somewhat for the circumstances around you and then feeling helpless to change it. That's the worst feeling!

On a side note, KP portrayal was bang on, his eyes when he was talking to his son- sigh👏
He really gets into the skin of his character!! Sigh..don't worry, this post is only about today's show and not about KP. I am suppressing my fangirl side for now..




Stop it you! No praising from now on...deal? Let's hug it out on this new deal 🤗 It is so much fun chit chatting with everyone here about such delicate and wonderful aspects of life that we get to witness via this show.
Like you said here, it is heartbreaking to see a part of your soul, the very being you created spew venom for you and the worst was when Raman saw the hatred Adi had in his eyes ...the second picture in G's collage...my heart sank, and omg was KP brilliant or what...his eyes conveyed so much pain and anguish. Karan doesn't have kids but this scene makes me want to believe that he is a father otherwise how can he be so brilliant.
Regarding puttar unfortunately he will have to live with this guilt of a son lost to circumstances for a long time, and his helplessness will get worse with time. And that's why we love him so much, his helplessness at situation at hand makes me all the more human and relatable.

I am unabashedly fangirling over puttar! lol
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Posted: 10 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: GanBarunFan


wonderful Doc!

You made a very good case for your Puttar( why am I not surprised😆? ). And you're right Raman's not to be blamed for Adi's situation...those reasons you mentioned are bang on. 😳 lol I gotta have my puttar's back! I need to defend my man boy especially when he is hurting.

But unfortunately Raman, as a parent, cannot but feel the pain as a failure when it comes to Adi's wrongdoing; this is his own blood and Raman takes ownership of his children's behavior...And he's a good parent and he tried to scold him about it ...but what Adi said to him got to him, because he realized that his son's problems are much deeper than just his contempt for Raman and hatred for Ishita...he feels alone though he has two parents...and that's when he tried to reach out to his son, sort of extending his hand of support but Adi's pure hatred in his eyes stopped him...because till now he had thought of Adi's issues as issues of an over-indulged young child with lack of proper parental guidance...but today he realized the enormity of his son's anti-social/negative tendencies. See this right here is why one needs to be a parent to understand this delicate situation, I told you I can't do justice to this like you did and this paragraph right just proved it. Spot on G! I

You're right, your Puttar's again caught between his two loves:Adi and Ishita..now how he balances will be something to watch. BTW KP was brilliant again...his body language change in the scene with Adi was just fantastic. *totally objective comment* KP was outstanding today, I just wrote the same in my response to Himanshi, the hurt in KP's eyes when he sees Adi spewing hate was so disturbing that for a second I believed that was Karan's son hating Karan.

God knows whether I made sense. As much as a parent I felt another parent's pain...my heart went out to that poor boy whose childhood has been robbed from him for not a fault of his own and now he's become an easy pawn for some really sinister adults who are masking as his sympathizers. If this didn't make sense then I don't know what will! You gave us a glimpse of a parent's reaction to today's episode and I am thankful to be reading it. 😊

Doc your post should have been a stand alone post...as it's brilliant...especially the quote!👏 Stand alone or here what difference does it make, as long as all of us here get to chit chat, it's all the same. Remember it's our collaboration 😊

PS: I am wasting so much time on that app you told me about 😆


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Posted: 10 years ago
#45


Quick reply...will be back for detailed replay later...
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Posted: 10 years ago
#46
@Doc
Just noticed this :

"
Edit
Just remembered Peter Gabriel's song he wrote for his daughter and their strained relationship after he separated from his wife.

Won't you please talk to me
If you'd just talk to me
Unblock this misery
If you'd only talk to me
Don't you ever change your mind
Now your future's so defined
And you act so deaf so blind
Come on, come talk to me
Come talk to me, come talk to me

I can imagine the moment
Breaking out through the silence
All the things that we both might say
And the heart it will not be denied
'Til we're both on the same damn side
All the barriers blown away "


This is beautiful!!!👏

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Post to the point!
Frankly I am surprised with the slight depth that the cvs dealt with it, the cvs pendulum too much into trp drama and then suddenly there will be flashes of wow! Not bad!
I actually pity the cvs this lot actually wants to show some good writing and goos storyline but they get swayed by trp every second episode.

the plot stays trp driven giving completely brainless scenes so that's why mihika-shagun-mihir; Ashok-anyone else!!!
but the episodes provide little pieces of magic ---
(Ishita-toshi; adi-raman; simi-Param)
And when you string the episode together it's like face palm!

All I can say is Ashok is a terrible actor but the guy who plays Param smooth like butter, that villain is something else
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: shravsss

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sry fr tis late edit... i wanted to compose myslf out , of tat kids sufferings...

to start wid i would say, my yhm is still there sumwr amid these awful drama...
Adi is a fictional character but he is very factual...

the child is jus 11/12 years of old who should be cocooned by his parents to show him wat is right and wat is wrong... wat raman did today by shouting at him , had he done tat bfr their divorce 6 years back... atleast he would hav had sum kind of fear in him...

Shagun nvr made him feel tat fear , as parents, our parents do punish us fr doing wrong things to teach us morality... this fear wic he have frm very childhood gives such d knowledge or hesitance wenever we do sumthing wrng... but his poor luck , his both parents were struggling for their own happiness , grievance and grudges wic ultimately affected only adi as a kid... not evn Ruhi... ruhi atleast had a family and a secured environment... her case is/was altogether diff frm adi...

now adi is in a situation wer he doent need love/affection anything tat kind of... bcz he has nve tasted it,,,,, shagun has just showed him d power of money...

he is just lyk shagun now... in-secured to d core... he doent believe anyone nw... not evn his parents... he is vulnerable , manipulative and actually irrevocable...

he badly needs ishita's love care n affection ,
he needs counselling... hope ishita d doctor , advices raman to do so...

i hope tis track is sensibly handled lyk ruhi's...

kudos to gautam ... people actually tat boy's acting is gud... i hav met such children, they are almost lyk him with expression less faces... tat is actually true...


sry fr tis big outbrust but i had to sumwr...

thnx fr d pics... father n son is same dielama they themslvs dont no wat wrng they both hav done actually...

grt post...



You're not late at all...I get happy when people update, when it doesnt matter.
I love what you wrote...yes Adi is a classic case of a kid lost somewhere in the middle of two adult's divorce. In all fairness, Raman didn't have that option because thanks to Shagun he had lost custody of Adi and we've seen Raman trying to reach out to Adi and offering him anything he could under the circumstance...but I guess the damage to Adi's sense of right and wrong has been pretty profound.

I also hope the CVs treat this as sensibly as they did Ruhi and Raman's bonding ...and Adi will be mended and brought back to be a typical boy of his age

thanks
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..

I really hope Adi's relationship with Raman is developed more in future tracks (after Ishra's separation track is over). It's clear that Shagun is a bad influence on him. Raman and Ishita should get custody and give him the security he craves.



yes that would be nice...especially when Raman always tries to be there for him and with Ishita's support he'd be able to undo the damage Shagun's poor parenting has done.

thank you
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Posted: 10 years ago
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There is a saying in sanskrit that first 5 yrs of a child s life u have to smother them with love affection and attention, next 10 yrs(till they are 15) with love and disciplene, after that when they reach ur shoulders they share hapiness and burdens like a friend.
This is what came to mind listening to Adi today maybe he has no disciplene and that was a cry for help.
I really hope they can handle this as delicately as they did Raman and Ruhis bonding.
I actually took a trip down memory lane to episode when raman shangun and 2 kids had gone to picnic where Raman was a helpless bystander teying to buy his childs love. Today we saw a father who he confident of his role as a father who has finally realised that disciplene is equally important.

@Doc great work in putting what i feel to words. Sometimes reading these posts feels more satisfying than show itself .Today was one such day.

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