Adi, Custody, Gender issues : Expectations or Presumptions? : A POV - Page 2

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: cool_aparna

Glad to see ur post...logged in to reply...

Very well put...hope CVs read this post...

Ya abt those thinking title misleading 😆...well they are taking their sweet time and I don't mind until its pal pal badhe mohabbatein...not ghate anywhere...

Abt the gender bias thing, I said in other posts too, Toshi is shown a bit orthodox but they can lower this chirag thing, if they show sometime Mrs. Iyer or anyone to knock some sense to Toshi about equality of boy and girl 😳

Me too glad to see Raman - Vandita convo !

Yeah I am too up for whatever is gonna come...

As I said earlier in ur post too, keeping zero expectation, and just hope to be in awe with each new episode as before, it def helps...


@bold - Agree..I don't want to see it rushed too...that's what makes complex relationships interesting...else why not watch a fluffy college romance..😆
Yes- the gender bias thing is non existent...IMO..Toshi loves Ruhi too hell a lot...plus her actions say a diff story...but yes her dialogues need to be toned down - or maybe there could be a side track with Mrs Iyer.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thank god for a nice sensible post. A much needed respite. All the points made were valid. Thanks for making it TM.
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Thanks😳!
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Originally posted by: amrithas

Thank god for a nice sensible post. A much needed respite. All the points made were valid. Thanks for making it TM.

Thanks Amritha!😊..It was one of those 'have to get it outta my system' posts..😆
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Thanks!😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: bscorp13

Hi YHMians,

Just done with today's epi - and glad I read only part of the LU before starting to watch the epi - cos I could go in with a little less bias.
So here is my rant on the good, bad, ugly - and logic vs disbelief😉.

First things first:
The Adi angle :
I think everyone following YHM knew this was bound to take prominence at some point in the show. Maybe we didn't expect it this early - but we all heart in heart knew where this was heading. After all this is story based on the custody of Raman's children - both being brought up in broken homes.
Ruhi is now secure and Adi is in need of a home and a proper upbringing.
Everyone who wants this to be a love story going by the misleading title 😆, should probably rewatch the initial episodes (which is what I have been doing - so maybe I can relate better). The euphoria of the pre confession stage of IshRa nothwithstanding, this is just a phase and once they have admitted their love for each other - the story will and should move on to what it claimed to be.

Whats good -
The writers have created a premise (maybe a little hackneyed) for Raman and Ishita to take notice of how bad upbringing is going to lead Adi to a very bad future - maybe even a criminal one. I think the end of this track symbolizes what I have always been saying about Raman - that at the day, he will wake up - get an epiphany and decide to get his son on the right path - even if that means severe punishment.
So is the custody going to happen immediately? I am not sure about this. I sincerely hope the redemption track starts first - gradually leading to custody. Ishita and Bala should both start working on the psyche of the kid first.

Whats not good -
The CVs really need to be pulled up for not building a character graph or a sub story plot for Adi convincingly. Yes he is a brat, he is totally messed up - but they could have shown the reasons for it - and also a different side to the persona of the kid.
Today we saw him so affected when he heard his mother had an accident - and then that day with Bala , when he asked him about his bond with his son. I can think of only those two instances.
If only there was a strong enough premise built here - audience reaction would have been so different. And maybe we could have related at some level.
Plus the child actor is bad - period. At least give him some good lines and a parallel story line to justify his actions if he can't be replaced.

The Gender bias (Or is it??):
My Opinion here:

I read a lot of rants on the forum about how the Bhalla household prefers the male child (Adi) over the female child(Ruhi).
For once I just wish the makers had not stuck to the book here and made the first child a girl and the second one a boy - because other than Toshiji (who in my opinion also loves Ruhi as much as she loves Adi) who talks about Adi being the waaris I really don't see anyone else seeing it that way.
For Raman it is not his first boy - but his first child - and his first child born in a phase where there was love in his relationship - and this is a profound thought. Hence his constant reminiscing of the smallest memories related to Adi.
Again CVs haven't yet picked up the thread of Ruhi's birth because I think they plan to talk about it later. But Ruhi was not a child born in a phase of love in Raman and Shagun's relationship and I am assuming most memories surrounding her birth (unfortunately) are bitter.
Also - why do the Bhallas get emotional about Adi and not say heck - we have Ruhi - why bother!!- I don't think anyone who has a child or a grandchild who they have seen born and brought up for 6 yrs and then had forcibly taken away can feel that way - that is almost inhuman.
The Bhallas were equally if not more distraught when Ruhi was taken away from them (Again! rewatch old epis😆)

What can be changed in the CVs approach :
Yes - cut the waaris/chiraag dialogue - its typical of women in that generation - but yes it sends wrong signals. Toshi for all her faults does obsess over her daughter Simmi😆..so she doesn't believe in that son over daughter thing either.

Precap today - Clapworthy!:
I loved the PreCap today - and can so relate to the panic 'first time parents' face- and that's what Raman was talking about. I had wanted to see a Raman - Vandita scene regarding the pregnancy and glad CVs incorporated it👏. Its rare to see men taking keen interest - forget being so sensitive about this phase in a woman's life!!
For those who hate Adi - Ignore the name and rewatch the scene - Imagine he was talking about Ruhi here😆😉.

Today's episode wasn't great in term of editing and some avoidable dialogues by Raman and Toshi - but I think it had its heart in place in terms of the direction the story is moving.

PS: I love spoilers too - but for the sake of some awaited scenes - wouldn't want to miss the subtle moments in the journey leading up to them. I mean those are the layers that make a story interesting - the sweet, the sour, the bitter and the spice😃😳.

Ending my long rant - today's episode and too much YHM rewatching old epi's ke side effects😆 - this is purely my opinion and not to take away from others😃.




Thanks for such a sensible post! Much needed in the forum's current atmosphere :)

I also do not agree with the observation by some of the readers here that there is differential treatment meted out to Adi and Ruhi because of gender bias. It's just that Adi is a sore point for the whole family, who they lost to Shagun's manipulation. They are equally crazy about Ruhi too and that shows in the child's demeanour, especially after Ishita's presence. You can see the confidence in Ruhi's personality that only comes when you are sure that you are loved. Adi being away and more importantly being forcibly separated from the family will always have a special place in their heart. It's like a child with a disadvantage, the parents or family do not love the other kids any less but the one with more need will always hold a special place. And first borns usually hold a special place in every society irrespective of gender. This is again especially true for Raman because his first born came into his life where everything was going perfectly for him. So I don't see anything wrong in his pining for his first born.

And coming to Toshiji you are so right! She's always preferred Simmi and even now she went against her own son to support Ishita. So it's not that she feels more for Adi. She went equally berserk for Ruhi esrlier. Yes she is emotional and her outbursts have always been over the top. But thats what makes me love this character so much :) So all her emotional rant regarding Adi was understandable and in line with her character.

My only contention is the messing up with Raman's character in this track. But again I've already said a lot about that in other threads so not going to start again.

Once again a great post!
Cheers
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Very well written post. I completely agree to the first child memories. I have 2 boys. When I think about anything related to pregnancy or child birth, my first pregnancy comes into my mind, because that's the first experience. I enjoyed my second pregnancy and love both my kids equally but by the time of second pregnancy we know what to look for. This is when we have a good relationship. But for Raman Adi is not just the first child but also the child born out of love
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thanks for such a sensible post! Much needed in the forum's current atmosphere :)

I also do not agree with the observation by some of the readers here that there is differential treatment meted out to Adi and Ruhi because of gender bias. It's just that Adi is a sore point for the whole family, who they lost to Shagun's manipulation. They are equally crazy about Ruhi too and that shows in the child's demeanour, especially after Ishita's presence. You can see the confidence in Ruhi's personality that only comes when you are sure that you are loved. Adi being away and more importantly being forcibly separated from the family will always have a special place in their heart. It's like a child with a disadvantage, the parents or family do not love the other kids any less but the one with more need will always hold a special place. And first borns usually hold a special place in every society irrespective of gender. This is again especially true for Raman because his first born came into his life where everything was going perfectly for him. So I don't see anything wrong in his pining for his first born.

And coming to Toshiji you are so right! She's always preferred Simmi and even now she went against her own son to support Ishita. So it's not that she feels more for Adi. She went equally berserk for Ruhi esrlier. Yes she is emotional and her outbursts have always been over the top. But thats what makes me love this character so much :) So all her emotional rant regarding Adi was understandable and in line with her character.

My only contention is the messing up with Raman's character in this track. But again I've already said a lot about that in other threads so not going to start again.

Once again a great post!
Cheers
@bold - Word!! very well put. That is the feeling I have been trying to explain. @ red - Yes, which is what got me all dumbfounded with the backlash she received. Yes - wrong choice of words maybe ..but I still see people in my grandparents generation talk about stuff like this even if they don't mean any bias..Sad truth🥱
@blue- Agree! And I have made a post on that too - but I always had confidence in the fact that he would redeem - and on his own he would realize he is wrong and make amends. Like in the DNA track - and that's what makes his character special. Looks like I would be proved right😉
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Josupra

Very well written post. I completely agree to the first child memories. I have 2 boys. When I think about anything related to pregnancy or child birth, my first pregnancy comes into my mind, because that's the first experience. I enjoyed my second pregnancy and love both my kids equally but by the time of second pregnancy we know what to look for. This is when we have a good relationship. But for Raman Adi is not just the first child but also the child born out of love

Thanks for commenting😊!
@bold - True this - Its a mixture of excitement, fear, happiness and a sense of responsibility - and I loved how it was done in the precap scene. KP nailed it - Hope the real scene retains the essence.
@red - Yes - and such a child does hold a special place in your heart - Not a preferential place, but a special one. I have never had doubts that Raman loves both his children equally. He just never bonded with Ruhi in her initial years - because of his painful separation and aftermath, whereas he got a chance to do that with Adi - so he has many fond memories.

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