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Posted: 11 years ago
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Thank you for making such a thought provoking post!

I agree that yhm has entered new ground when it comes to portraying those traits that are present in so many people- both men and women in society. I won't touch too much on the subject of Shagun, but like you have said this is the first time in many years that we are seeing a woman as an adulterer.

In essence Ashok and Param are two sides of the same coin. Their thought process is the same its just the way they actually exhibit this behaviour that is different. I guess potentially the creatives are trying to show us that there exist these kinds of people in every strata of life regardless of income, wealth or status' The tendencies are the same. They both treat women as objects of desire, only there to satisfy their needs. They have a complete lack of respect for the institution of marriage, exhibited by Param's repeated betrayals to his wife and the cavalier attitude by which Ashok started seeing a married woman and now also not want to enter into a marriage with her.

I have to say i'm still slightly on the fence about Raman's public announcement of the lack of relationship between him and Ishita. A strong part of me feels that it was something said in the spur of the moment whilst under immense emotional stress.

I do agree that part of Raman's 'redemption' will need to be him respecting and honouring his wife as so many men do. (though I use the word redemption very lightly because for me is unlike the usual heroes we have on tv who falter so badly that they are then forever trying to make amends, Raman is a more grounded and real 'hero'l) He is 'grey' (and when I say that I'm not referring to a certain Mr Grey😉 that would be asking a bit too much from SP😆) he is flawed like us all, and that is what i find so endearing about him.

Sorry i've just realised i started rambling on about Raman when the post is primarily related to Ashok and Param- oops😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shanig123

Aani great post . enjoyed reading it . Men of such do exist and they are increasing by the day . and women like Shagun will add more to that list . between the two I would say Ashok still hasn't broken the sacrament of marriage ( not that it gives him any approval to do what he is doing ) but the other pervert has not only ruined and destroyed . marriage is sacred or it is for most . while many use it for reasons best known to them. I sincerely hope this pervert drama will give a good message to the society . there is an innocent kid involved in that marriage so who is at the receiving end the most ? that innocent child .

anxious to see how they deliver it this time .


Hey Shani thank you and I am sorry for not replying earlier😳

@red - I second you on that I hope they dont stretch this thing too far and Simi learns the truth about her husband and emerges a stronger woman who can provide for herself and her baby - she should definitely show what a single mother can be if she puts her mind to it and for the sake of that child I hope the delusion Simi is in shatters soon because if she keeps on believing in that husband of hers forever one day that little girl could be the victim of her own father, because for men like these no relationship is sacred and age is just a number


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: RibelleDelCuore

That is what I watch the show for--all those things you mentioned.

The Indian TV is in desperate need of progress. YHM is perhaps the only Hindi daily soap on TV that I can tolerate.

Coming to the morbid mentalities of those perverts, I am absolutely disgusted by the fact that it is nearly impossible to get rid of such people and their lascivious thoughts. Time and again such inhumane entities have forced me to question my presence in this world. Thankfully, I realized that I was better off being a woman vis-a-vis being a man.
I'd rather the world didn't have any gender assigned to its inhabitants. Why can't we be known as only humans? Why does sexual prejudice have to follow us everywhere?

I'm glad you made this post and shared your views with us.😊
I, too, think Raman should redeem himself very soon.


Hey Pareena 😊

thank you for this wonderful reply, I wish so many differences wouldn't exist that divide humans time and again not just based on gender but race, caste and so much more- the list truly is endless, if only it were possible alas... and true that I would prefer being born a woman than be a man like those two.

And I hope Raman does redeem himself 😳

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: bila_a

ok lets do this, first off, awesome post. ok lets starts as to why i love this show with everything got. ts been two years since i had watched an indian serial and then YHM comes along, the show that i thought i would be least interested, idk why i must have misunderstood it but anyways started watching the ep to give i a try and then 3 days 80, episode later, i was hooked like a cray person. why

Hey Nabz thank you... and I am so with you on this one I dont follow a lot of shows I do catch an epi or two of the new ones but I dont need to watch it for long to decide whether this one is for me - and I found two recently - TP and YHM. and I am hooked to both

well this show is like a breath of fresh air, i love how it doesn't shy away from being frank, casual especially with the ishita and raman, and i agree that other couples act like if its like the end of the world even at the mention of something intimate or sexual. it feels really raw and real in how the characters are presented. especially ishra right off the bat. i love how it doesn't drag and handle the plots well, executes it well and you know maybe they balance these plots, negative ones, where it doesn't take the whole ep over, its balanced between negative stuff and ishra, so it creates suspense and suspense and actually interesting to watch. it put's its own touch on these story-lines.


Yep thats where YHM scores it doesnt act as if its grossed out at the mention of sexuality and intimacy between couples- these are real people here and thats what appeals to me I cant for the life of me understand how can all those shows have couples madly in love behave as if they are committing a sin if so much as the word bedroom is used at times like really they can be shown producing a brood of half a dozen but still they are shy and the fact that YHM doesnt take forever to close the lid on an issue is so good I could weep with joy I hate shows where the audience has to wait and go crazy for the hero to realize what is the truth and that the heroine was right off the bat, Raman though a flawed hero isnt dumb thank god

also i love how they have characters that represent people in everyday life, we have such strong female characters, like ishita, vandu, mihika, mrs lyer and even toshi when she isnt being you know, then we have toshi, the more older generation mindset and simmi who is blinded by love, manipulated and unable to see reality, rama and bala great guys and so forth. i love how all the characters get space to shine and how they develop and cause ishra to develop. also the vamps are your typical full on vamps, everyone is very 3D and has more to them.


Yep like I said these are real people even ones like toshi and Simmi even if they act like witches cause there are women like them for real, MILs who consider their DIL as curses personified and SILs as some boons 😳 and even naive gullible women like Simi who blindly love and believe so that is true, and like you said no one is just black or white they are grey and real hence 3D which makes us connect to them as a member of the audience.

the way the love story is being handled is amazing, its been what nearly 6 months, they haven't fallen in love but their characters have grown so much as individuals and together, towards each together, how they have gotten closer, more comfortable and causal. i love slow burning love stories where it actually develops and slowly unravel, not just hot scenes thrown together and then BAM. it feels more real in that way. also love how the event take place actually do have an effect on the character themselves and progresses the story. also it the love story has substance and meaning.


That is another brownie for YHM yes IshRa have had their moments of attraction, subconsciously they are drawn to one another, care for each other but there is NO LOVE here, not yet. But there is a growing bond there - like the other day they were so cool and comfortable about tending to each other' injuries she didn't mind helping him take his waistcoat off and he was not the least bit bothered to be seen massaging his wife when his sis walked in, in fact Ishita had to touch his hand to make him realize Simi is uncomfortable as she walked in on them - to him it didn't even ring a bell you know.

also the sub plots in this show are very well handled i must say, there is a lot but they are all being established and slowly built and take turns getting a chance in the spotlight while the others are in the shadow wait and growing. i like how its not random stories out of no where.

Yep barring Rinki so far I have seen all the characters have subplots and each of them has actually been executed well and has added to the show one way or another- no character that is given importance is wasted- like recently the neighbor Pammy was useful when the judge came I like that in a show

ok now back to ashok and perv, so true men like that exist in society and it sucks. just going online and seeing some of the comments they make are terrible. very sexist and misogynistic. guys like that only value sex and beauty, they dont care and women like shagun and simmi exist. the fact society conditions women to believe that our worth is base don a man approvaDl,, needs and want is terrible, and it works, it creates competition among women against each other for a mans sake, society is male dominated everywhere you turn and they use these tactics against women to subdue them to fight among themselves so they maintain their power and distract us from the real issues. and women like this dont realize and give more power to them, assert their stupid beliefs and value and confirm that they are right women and inferior. and man from the moment they are born are taught its alright to be that way, to see women a property, that their opinions dont matter, their only worth is beauty and what they can do for men, they get conditioned as well, with these stereotypes and sexist notions and it only makes things worse. women are so restricted they cant be show to much or they are s**tty, they should cover to much cause that, they should be this and that and blah blah, it boils down to men, we are taught by everyone to change ourselves in society, and men dont have that kind of conditions. boys will be boys excuse gets thrown around to excuse their behavior but women are expected to shut up and put up and conform.

That is an ugly truth that YHM showed us with this scene and I so agree with you its the way these men are raised that leads them to becoming people like these - that belief they are imbibed with that a son can do anything and is never wrong. And the girls being taught to obey their husbands blindly take care no one maligns the name of the family no matter what is a reason that thoughts like these continue to plague society at large. Basically every reaction or action of a woman is dictated right from her birth - till her death while men have a free rein that wrecks havoc

at the end of the day we live in a patriarchal society.

sad but true

sorry went on there i could go on for ages on this and delve further, your posts are awesome and very thought provoking.

thank you 😳 it was a pleasure to read your reply too Nabz 😃

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: FieryLioness

very gud post...u said all in it...

in last epi via param nd Ashok, we have seen the reality of our society...
thats what men think abt women...
as u said all she is just an object for their pleasure...
nd wearing branded clothes nd having luxurious life don't make u classy
but ur mentality does... so for me Ashok is no less then any cheap gali ka gunda
who pass derogatory comments on passing by women...
nd we can't blame men only here...sorry if m wrong but women in our society r no less...
they r too infected wid this cheap mentality...who thinks a woman's life's sole purpose is to
satisfy his hubby's needs...
all they interested to know is if couple is having gud physical relation... nd if answer is yes means
marriage is successful ... no matter if they love or not...
nd by any chance if answer is NO then only girl has to bear all the guilty nd those questioning eyes, even the question she must have some problem nd GOD knows what not...
even in YHM simmi nd Toshi will take Ishita wrong coz IshRa don't share that relation...
but no one will bother Raman too equal part of it...
may be thats why they showed Ishu more conscious abt this issue coming out, where Raman didn't even give a thought be4 spilling beans...
not that it was that one moment but be4 he did the same...
in pregnancy fiasco Raman had no prob to tell the truth , he had almost done this if Ruhi didn't come last moment...
later or sooner we deffo gonna see Toshi accusing Ishita for not having relation wid hubby...
why do everything ends on sex only be it man or woman...
i want Raman-Ishita to set a msg that theres nothing wrong if they don't consummate their marriage as long as they both don't want... rather then being apologetic or guilty abt it...
m not sure if it will happens or not but yeah i wanna this topic to come up again
in presence of Raman...
so that like always this time too YHM clears the msg that marriage is just not mean for sex...


thank you so much for this comment

@red - exactly clothes don't maketh the man as much as his attitude does

@blue - I agree with women like simi and toshi around men like these are created and the fact is these women are themselves the biggest enemies another woman can have as is said, When the truth about Ishita Raman having not consummated their marriage came out no one bothered to dare ask Raman why but Ishita was instantly accused of being a woman who is so desperate she would seduce her BIL for the sake of her satisfaction, even after the massage scene simi was sick enough to think Ishu is seducing Raman for the sake of her position in the household and that had me seething - even if she is seducing Raman what is wrong with that? he is her husband the man she is legally and morally allowed to bed and woo, to think Simi had such cheap thoughts was gross, and plus its not like Ishita could overpower Raman and force herself on him but no one dared to ask the son of the house the whys and hows here

@pink - exactly, Raman and Ishita should not be embarrassed about something that is personal and privy only to them - they cant just sleep together to keep everyone around happy. Sex is sacred in a marriage and should come from the desire and love that both the parties share not out of obligation.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: CharmGal

Hi Aani,

It's me again! 😊

Thanks for replying back. I am glad you are a strong feminist too:) My grandad once joked after being frustrated with my rant on feminism that I should set up an asian women union! He knew how strong my views are on feminism.

It's interesting that you have mentioned about the discussion you had with your mom. I love and enjoy discussing or debating with my mother too. It seems we are very much alike. Also I agreed with you, Raman does have to redeem himself to Ishu. 😊

P.S I loved the quote that you have mentioned, so will go to my favourite bookshop sometime this week[if i have free time :(] and buy The Shadow of the Wind book. 😃


Hey Mary 😊

@blue - 😆😆 my dad says similar things to me - he too believes my ideas and opinions are very strong, enough that they can be considered almost political 😆

@red - thats so good to know, yep I have regular debates/discussions with my mom, so we do seem to be alike in that manner too

@book - do try and read it when you can I am sure you'll love it Zafon is a maestro with words. 😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: happenstance

Thank you for making such a thought provoking post!


I agree that yhm has entered new ground when it comes to portraying those traits that are present in so many people- both men and women in society. I won't touch too much on the subject of Shagun, but like you have said this is the first time in many years that we are seeing a woman as an adulterer.

Thank you once again for your comment, I really enjoy reading your takes on issues too they are so amazingly well written its a pleasure to read em 😳 and yep YHM is being completely amazing by portraying both men and women as grey individuals no one is good or bad just based on their gender alone.

In essence Ashok and Param are two sides of the same coin. Their thought process is the same its just the way they actually exhibit this behaviour that is different. I guess potentially the creatives are trying to show us that there exist these kinds of people in every strata of life regardless of income, wealth or status' The tendencies are the same. They both treat women as objects of desire, only there to satisfy their needs. They have a complete lack of respect for the institution of marriage, exhibited by Param's repeated betrayals to his wife and the cavalier attitude by which Ashok started seeing a married woman and now also not want to enter into a marriage with her.

Yep I concur, the difference in their positions on a social and financial level doesn't make men like them any different, only it helps them camouflage their flaws better. While Ashok as a upper society man doesnt feel the need to heed to the diktats of the society and hence was cool enough to seduce a married woman and now have her as his keep, Param coming from a middle class background opted for marriage to keep up the image and make it seem he is just another ordinary guy - in reality these two are the two sides of the same coin - one which considers women as objects useful for gratification only with no other value or purpose.

I have to say i'm still slightly on the fence about Raman's public announcement of the lack of relationship between him and Ishita. A strong part of me feels that it was something said in the spur of the moment whilst under immense emotional stress.

It may have been a spur of the moment confession but it made Ishita look desperate enough in front of his own family - enough for them to be convinced that Perv indeed is saying the truth and she is a s**tty women. Words even those uttered without malice in the heat of the moment can lead to great ruin - its said Mahabharata happened solely because Draupadi laughed at Duryodhana when he fell and said a blind man' son is blind after all. So words even in the heat of the moment should not be frivolously used 😳

I do agree that part of Raman's 'redemption' will need to be him respecting and honouring his wife as so many men do. (though I use the word redemption very lightly because for me is unlike the usual heroes we have on tv who falter so badly that they are then forever trying to make amends, Raman is a more grounded and real 'hero'l) He is 'grey' (and when I say that I'm not referring to a certain Mr Grey😉 that would be asking a bit too much from SP😆) he is flawed like us all, and that is what i find so endearing about him.

😆😆 I know which Grey you meant here and thank god for that actually that he cant be THAT ONE, honestly I find this one a lot better - he has more depth and of course those one-liners... ones with whips and chains are aplenty around to not make me miss them 😆

Sorry i've just realised i started rambling on about Raman when the post is primarily related to Ashok and Param- oops😆

no need for sorry it was great to read your comment 😊

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: EkPaheli

thank you so much for this comment

@red - exactly clothes don't maketh the man as much as his attitude does

@blue - I agree with women like simi and toshi around men like these are created and the fact is these women are themselves the biggest enemies another woman can have as is said, When the truth about Ishita Raman having not consummated their marriage came out no one bothered to dare ask Raman why but Ishita was instantly accused of being a woman who is so desperate she would seduce her BIL for the sake of her satisfaction, even after the massage scene simi was sick enough to think Ishu is seducing Raman for the sake of her position in the household and that had me seething - even if she is seducing Raman what is wrong with that? he is her husband the man she is legally and morally allowed to bed and woo, to think Simi had such cheap thoughts was gross, and plus its not like Ishita could overpower Raman and force herself on him but no one dared to ask the son of the house the whys and hows here

@pink - exactly, Raman and Ishita should not be embarrassed about something that is personal and privy only to them - they cant just sleep together to keep everyone around happy. Sex is sacred in a marriage and should come from the desire and love that both the parties share not out of obligation.


it is always a pleasure to read posts on such serious nd important topics here...
so a big thanks to u actually for making a thoughtful post...

Simmi arghhh this name is irritating me wid every passing epi...
God she is so dumb... nd actually very cheap...not only her language but thinking also...
nd u can once change anybody's language... but their thinking can never be changed...
i always hoped Simmi to back on track soon...but i guess she will always remain same...

nd u said very much right... the moment equation of their relation was out... all eyes were on Ishu only... Bhalla family knows Raman spent a night wid Shagun... they simply believed what Raman said instead blaming he too was desperate ...but in case of Ishu , no whatever she said is plane lie ...disgusting mentality of Toshi , Simmi nd many like them...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sad thing men like pervmeet and ashok exist 😡 Upbringing makes all the difference.mindsets they have been brot up with ..what they absorb frm happening around.. Right frm the way their own dads treat their moms..or sisters... In the most educated of families the sexist divide exists .. Female infanticide and what not...its changing but very very slowly...even Sometimes change is a farce.. During the protests against the 16 dec horror two yrs back..even in the protest morchas there were guys who came just to molest girls..how disgusting can things get..😡and its there all over around the world.. The objectification.. Movies..lyrics .. Ads.. And its all so artificial..all ads will run..hey women u r great campaigns on mothers day n womens day...on all other days its hey women u r dark..here use this..hey women u r not desirable ..here use this... .. I feel if women stop taking shit frm men men will lessen it .. But some relationships,...the guys mistreat their gf..or wife or colleague and the woman normalises it with or without majboori...n the guys happily continue the violence as nothing to fear 😡... Even moms of guys in real life first say us ladki ne entice kiya mere puttar nu 😡 If ever romi gets caught ( which he will one day ) with mihika kind of thing tried out successfully on any other girl..all toshi bhalla wud do is tell..raman puttar jaisey taisey karkey jail se bacha le..baaki main samjhaa doongi romi ko Oh so many things have to change in society.. Even ads jokes n movies with bolder themes find hard to find audience..like sushmita said on CNWK that in olden days if the heroine was taller or same height as hero she had to stand in that gadha so that hero taller dikhey ..translates to dominating dikhey... .. Anyway things r changing n hopefully women realise tht silence is the biggest violence hwever small the discomfort be ...
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Originally posted by: always_a_TV_fan

Hey Aani,
Aaj bahut kaamchori kar rahi hoon main 😆

Now... the first few paragraphs are familiar to me 😊 exact words from you know where 😛 About those lines:

I am not just a fan of YHM. I am actually proud of this show for the reasons you mentioned. I find it so liberating in its mentality with respect to the so-called taboo issues. and the treatment applied to those issues is so darned respectful, I don't cringe when they talk about these issues. I dont see them talking in a condescending tone. Its the 'matter-of-fact' tone I guess that I really like. (Yes, there are a couple of things that I wish I hadn't see them do, but I will overlook because they have TRPs to maintain and a business to run)

You talked about the 'connect' yesterday... I didn't reply in that post, because it would have constituted as Off topic on a post that neither you nor me opened 😆 Hasratein was the first television show I saw that made me look at that character for what it was, not all of them have to be black or white. Its really really interesting (from my perspective at least) how we are discussing both YHM and Hasratein in the same topic!!!

Now about the rest of your post:
Your line "I have never considered Ashok as someone better then PervMeet - only classier"
3-4 weeks ago, I made a comment on a post where someone asked who was worse, Ashok or Param and I wrote this:
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BTW - Shagun had a choice.. she didnt have to leave Raman. I doubt Ashok's character would try and use his 'physical' power over someone. He is far shrewder, and his 'prey' has to be a willing participant... at least she should think so...
Perv - well, I dont think he has even a percent of the intelligence that Ashok has... I mean, he went after Ishita, someone from his own family. What now. Either she gets thrown out, or he does... what next... that was just stupid
OH GOD.. did I actually make a post praising Ashok for his smartness 🤢

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There is one small ray of hope still in my heart. I am hoping he is being crass only to instigate Param further. But that is neither here nor there!!!
Their discussion was cringe-worthy but real. I know and work with people whose first reaction about any woman walking past (and these women are all working in the same office, so equally qualified, if not more) is whether she is married or not, and in a very round-about way a comment about how 'good' she looks. The comments are always decent, mind you, but the underlying thoughts are still the same. And none of my colleagues are Indian! This stereotyping is a part of every society, maybe more vociferous in ours.
And why just men? Didn't Simmi do the exact thing by saying that "Now that Param is gone, Ishita is trying to seduce my brother"? That is another sad truth!

I have another thing to add about that discussion (and even the one in the jail before), lemme know what you think: Technically Param is in jail because of Ishita. Technically Ashok lost money in the land deal because of Ishita. But neither of them even find her worthy to exact revenge on??? They want to ruin only Raman?


About Raman's mistake - I remember the post that I made after that episode aired. I said "He may have blurted it out, not as an accusation, but as a fact. And emotions were so out of control that any human could have done that. OR he may have deliberately said it, only because it would have come out anyway, and he could maintain an act in front of Param if he was planning to expose the truth" I still dont know what option I would like to be true. But I also did say that he would have to pay for this, big time. He has to earn her respect back first. (we wrote our hearts out in the OSes but that didn't happen on the show. I am waiting...)

About your last line, I think no one can respect the institution of marriage without respecting a woman as an equal human being. And THAT is Raman's redeeming factor!

Yeh lo, I will give you a quote to end my reply, you have seen this before but its so apt here, I don't mind repeating myself 😊
The emotional, sexual, and psychological stereotyping of females begins when the doctor says, "It's a girl." ~Shirley Chisholm

*****

We are getting perilously close to a situation where my reply is going to be longer than your original post. And the reply is going to induce another reply. 😆
Sorry about the intense rambling in my post... I could not stop. I still have so much to say

Last but not the least... As I have said before Thank you for making posts that trigger the right reactions in my brain cells 🤗




. Loved ur last para 😃 U know i read once ...some parents say..." I have bot up my daughter like a son" sabsey jyaada toh yahaan inequality hai is statement mein 😆

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