In defense of Aditya and Raman - Page 2

Originally posted by: rev4eva

Good to see such a topic, I guess it is much needed to analyze the behavior of both Adi & Raman not to justify their action but find the reason behind their behavior. HIII Rev :D :D Please don't apologize for the ramble, I absolutely LOVED it!!! 😃😃

I guess Raman & Adi are no different in character, they both can be emotionally manipulated easily which Ashok and Shagun enjoys doing. Now Adi is toying with Raman's guilt to humiliate him. They both make their own perception on situation/person and refuse to look beyond it until situation puts them in a fix. Excellent observation! These two really are like two peas in a pod... they both are very easily manipulated and taken advantage off... Raman might be older, but he still has a little bit of naivety that makes him vulnerable to Shagun and Ashok's tricks, and ofcourse Adi is too young to realize that the people around him can be so vindictive.

Raman definitely has lots of love and affection for Adi and I don't blame him, Adi was his first child, the one who showed him the joy of parenthood. Every parent would always have a special spot for their first child. He adores his son and shares more happy memories with him compare to Ruhi. Not that he loved Ruhi less but she used to remind him of Shagun's betrayal. His past always came in between him and his daughter till Ishita came and drilled senses into his head. Raman feels that he was wrongly framed in the eyes of his beloved son, he was deprived a chance to prove his innocence which is the reason why till today he is trying to explain himself to Adi and ends up getting humiliated all the time. What irks me is that, he keeps iterating that Ishita doesn't mean anything to him. What Raman needs to realize that he needs make Adi understand that his love for this son has not changed even with his remarriage. Ishita deserves respect as she has been doing more than being just Ruhi's glorified nanny cum mother. I absolutely, completely agree with you!! I don't think Raman's love for Adi and Ruhi are any different...the love he shares for them is on par with each other... It is just that, like you said, Raman has to struggle to justify his innocence to Adi, whereas Ruhi already loves her father unconditionally...I like to think that instead of Adi, if Raman was deprived of Ruhi's childhood and love, he would still be this motivated to defend himself and win her back. He would have put in just as much effort to make sure Ruhi knew the truth because I really do believe that Raman loves both his children equally...but sometimes, even parents can be charred by their pasts, making the incapable of showing their love..

We don't know much about Adi's past but I can conclude that he idolizes his mother. He refuses to see beyond what his mother paints in his mind. For him, her infidelity doesn't matter, she was just a helpless mother who was trying to give the best for her son and also herself which Raman failed. He holds Raman responsible for all the misery he and his mum went thru, her decision to send him to hostel and the agony of his separation from Shagun. Ashok was her choice, so he will also be Adi's choice. He grew up hearing venomous accusation about Raman and his family from Shagun and Ashok, it will take a very long time or never for Adi to come out from it. Adi will not leave any opp to humiliate Raman and everyone related to Raman until Raman stops feeling guilty for a mistake that he never committed. He should clearly explain what happen and let Adi to decide. Again, I couldn't agree with you any more... Adi is definitely a mumma's boy and has grown to blindly believe the things that Shagun has taught him... Adi, even though can be crass and rude, has an endearing loyal quality about him, where he has decided that he will stick by his mother no matter what. I definitely agree with you when you say that Raman has to stop feeling guilty for a crime he did not commit, and that is the only resolution to this. I hope Adi can learn to see that kind of selfless man Raman is, and I hope Adi will learn to show loyalty to Raman too :D

Raman should give Adi the same taste of medicine he gave Shagun, Adi may start to realize what he is losing.

Sorry for the long ramble...As always, please don't apologize! Thank you SO much for commenting! I loved it!!!

Originally posted by: PreciousPri

Wow I must say very well written! Hiii! Hello Ji :D :D Thank you so much for the compliment :D

btw what are your names?? There are two people on this account, we are twins, Annet and Janet, but you may call us AnnJan or AJ for short :D What may we call you? 😃

You know it's funny I was thinking along the same lines in defence of Adi today. I mean after seeing the previous 2 episodes I feel Adi just wants RKB's attention and that too undivided . Initially I thought no he just wants to get back at his dad... but they way he gets angry when Raman Ishita are talking or getting close it really seems as if he is not liking this 3rd person in his father's life . Haina?? I agree...especially after watching Aditya today...he wouldn't care if his father was with another woman when he is okay with his mother being with another man. I think the real issue here really is that Adi is craving his fathers attention...which is such a nasty predicament to be in for an 11 year old child. I think Adi is just such a spoiled kid who is so used to having his way, that he is head strong about his wanting his father's undivided attention too.

And having heard Shagun and Ishita's argument it gives Adi all the more reason to dislike Ishita

RKB I feel has crossed the fine line of love and may have delved into obsession... but I like your take that he is not only saying to Adi but also reassuring himself why he married Ishita... But there seems to be no limit of this Yes, absolutely...Raman has gone beyond just plain love for his son...It has become an obsession, madness running through his veins. I wish it wasn't such a struggle for him to show his son how much he loves him, and also that Raman didn't have to have this internal struggle within himself.

At the end of the day RKB is a very complicated character who sometimes is very hard to understand in one go... you have to sit and ponder over his actions/words I LOVEEE complex, complicated characters...they are soo interesting to watch on screen and am so glad that they allow us forum vaasiyon to dissect them and have a discussion like this :D

Once again a great effort 👏 Hayee! Thank you soo much yaar! Thank you for dropping by to leave your comment :D

Originally posted by: loveabletwinz

Hello lovely people of the YHM forum!!!!

I realize that a lot of us are upset with and confused about how Aditya acts and his apparent indifference towards Ashok but severe criticism for Raman. Aditya and Shagun are two characters that I fail to understand time and time again, but I wanted to take a look at Aditya to really try and understand him. I also know that a lot of us are disgusted at Raman's attempts to constantly clarify his relationship with Ishita, but I hope we can take an objective look at his actions too and hence I am offerring my two cents on this father-son duo.

Aditya :

Yes, we see a child who is holding an unwaranted, and to a slight extent, unjustifiable grudge against his father. But Aditya IS a child who is broken by the harsh realities of life, who is deprived of a meaningful relationship with his father. I can't imagine that Aditya has not grown up with his own share of fears and insecurities, especially about his father. That, I feel, is the reason why Aditya reacts to Ishita the way he does, while he shows absolutel nonchalance about Ashok and Shagun's relation.

I feel like Aditya is a child who is longing for his fathers attention and love, and so cannot stand the inteference of a third person in that relationship with his father. Aditya already has his mothers undivided attention, so he doesn't care that Ashok is in that equation. Yes, this is an extremely flawed, unimpressive imprint of childish conclusion on Aditya's part, but I will not be surprised if this is the motivating factor behind how Aditya reacts towards Ishita.

Raman:

Yess, his constant reminder to Adi that Ishita is just Ruhi's mother is absolutley unsolicited and in doing so, Raman relegates Ishita to a dead end! I don't agree with the need for Raman to contantly assure Adi, but I find this particular father-son interaction very intriguing.

Aditya needs this constant verbal acknowledgement as much as Raman does. Raman has to remind himself, as much as he needs to remind Adi, that he is not guilty or to be held accountable for the web of broken relationships around them. Adi and Raman are men who are equally broken by the circumstances that surround them, with each one of them displacing their guilt and anger in whatever way they can find. In both the instances that Raman has tried to clarify the stance of his relationship with Ishita, you can clearly see the internal turmoil, the guilt AND the DEFENCE that Raman is putting up. Raman needs to do it for his sake, and less for Adi's...he needs to do it to remind and assure himself that there is no dearth of love for his kids, that despite what Shagun and Ashok make him out to be, Raman is still a father who loves his children, regardless of the people who come in and out of his life.

Having said all that, I do not, in any way, condone any of the actions these two people commit. I only want to try and offer an alternate look at WHY they do what they do...

What do you all think? Agree? Disagree? Your two cents are welcome :D :D

Originally posted by: loveabletwinz

Originally posted by: Heema22

I am so happy to see your post . I have written enough about Ramen . I don't want to repeat anything because I have not change my mind about this fictional character .

Aaditya , the most hated and most misunderstood member of the family . I know that no one wants to read what I have to write but I am going try in General when we see story we want to stay in fantasy and want to see the lead couple happy ( ferry tale mentality ) any one comes between the lead and their romance is hated .so Addi is they Person. This is different triangle .father son and stepmother .

Addi was tought to lie at age four . He was thought to Judge father's love with expensive toys . He was force to say things that he would never say against his dad . Then there was separation. This child carried too much guilt about parents separation . His guilt turned into anger , hurt and sadness which turned into resentment .

Every child has a fundamental right and need for an unthreatened and loving relationship with both parents, and to be denied that right by one parent, without sufficient justification is a serious issue .

From age four his mom positioned his mind . Hatred is not an emotion that comes naturally to a child; it has to be taught. A parent who would teach a child to hate or fear the other parent represents grate danger in the future .

Divorce hurts ! Big times!!its all about bout the pain of rejection, of longing, and of lonelines.

We don't know too much about Aadi 's past .only thing we know is his anger, Hate need for revenge . His anger is very control sometimes I feel he is afraid to lose control he us asking for security and love . Love from his dad that he is craving for .

When parent decide to get divorce and remarried they must include thier children . Aadi is asking for justification and that's his right . Birth right . No one cared to ask him and when he questioned his father he got the answer but he want satisfied.he is full of resentment and anger .We are "hard-wired" by evolution to respond to pain with anger. Rejection hurts. Pain makes us angry. In our primal rage, we want to hurt back. Our rage makes us hurt less.

I don't want to justify Aadi's rudeness but I sure understand him . Poor kid so angery that whole Forum is upset with him . His father is full of resentment that whole forum is resenting him . These emotions are contagious .

Take a minute and try to understand this child and his father . They both want only one thing acceptance from each other Addi needs dad and dad need Addi . They both feel like they have been stabbed in the chest, or maybe in the back. They both feel intense pressure in the chest they look like they are going to explode.Aadi is position to manipulate his dad and Dad is willing to give in.

Originally posted by: goodstuff

Agreed! In a way I find Aditya and Raman to be very alike. Both are not sensible in their anger and stubbornness. Aditya wants someone to bully and push around and vent his anger out on. If you think about it Adi has frustrations of being a kid who had no control over his parents relations and then he was sent to boarding school and was never really taught what family love is thanks to Shagun being selfish. He knows no better. Now he can't vent his frustrations on his mom or Ashok because they'll just smack him so he is taking puppy dog Raman for granted just like how Raman is taking Ishita for granted..! Typical bully behaviour picking on weaker people.