In defense of Aditya and Raman

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hello lovely people of the YHM forum!!!!

I realize that a lot of us are upset with and confused about how Aditya acts and his apparent indifference towards Ashok but severe criticism for Raman. Aditya and Shagun are two characters that I fail to understand time and time again, but I wanted to take a look at Aditya to really try and understand him. I also know that a lot of us are disgusted at Raman's attempts to constantly clarify his relationship with Ishita, but I hope we can take an objective look at his actions too and hence I am offerring my two cents on this father-son duo.

Aditya :
Yes, we see a child who is holding an unwaranted, and to a slight extent, unjustifiable grudge against his father. But Aditya IS a child who is broken by the harsh realities of life, who is deprived of a meaningful relationship with his father. I can't imagine that Aditya has not grown up with his own share of fears and insecurities, especially about his father. That, I feel, is the reason why Aditya reacts to Ishita the way he does, while he shows absolutel nonchalance about Ashok and Shagun's relation.

I feel like Aditya is a child who is longing for his fathers attention and love, and so cannot stand the inteference of a third person in that relationship with his father. Aditya already has his mothers undivided attention, so he doesn't care that Ashok is in that equation. Yes, this is an extremely flawed, unimpressive imprint of childish conclusion on Aditya's part, but I will not be surprised if this is the motivating factor behind how Aditya reacts towards Ishita.

Raman:
Yess, his constant reminder to Adi that Ishita is just Ruhi's mother is absolutley unsolicited and in doing so, Raman relegates Ishita to a dead end! I don't agree with the need for Raman to contantly assure Adi, but I find this particular father-son interaction very intriguing.

Aditya needs this constant verbal acknowledgement as much as Raman does. Raman has to remind himself, as much as he needs to remind Adi, that he is not guilty or to be held accountable for the web of broken relationships around them. Adi and Raman are men who are equally broken by the circumstances that surround them, with each one of them displacing their guilt and anger in whatever way they can find. In both the instances that Raman has tried to clarify the stance of his relationship with Ishita, you can clearly see the internal turmoil, the guilt AND the DEFENCE that Raman is putting up. Raman needs to do it for his sake, and less for Adi's...he needs to do it to remind and assure himself that there is no dearth of love for his kids, that despite what Shagun and Ashok make him out to be, Raman is still a father who loves his children, regardless of the people who come in and out of his life.

Having said all that, I do not, in any way, condone any of the actions these two people commit. I only want to try and offer an alternate look at WHY they do what they do...

What do you all think? Agree? Disagree? Your two cents are welcome :D :D
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Posted: 11 years ago
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@loveable

Great analysis of all the characters. Wonderful and methodical writing👏
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Posted: 11 years ago
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The way both Raman and Shagun handle Adi is terribly wrong and will make him thoroughly spoilt .

Shagun buys him with gifts , PLIES him with them and tells him stories of adults when it is imperative to keep a child away from adult politics . Ashok is a very bad influence on kids , with his nasty mind . Dunno how Shagun can sleep around with some one who uses kids .

Adi should be got away from these two ASAP .

Raman is perpetually apologetic and stands on his toes to please him . When you r apologetic for something u did not do , u send the child a wrong message , that u r INDEED guilty . U never get respect from the child then , the equation remains one lacking respect . It isn't healthy , that equation . It brings no good . The parent remains pained for life and the child gets thoroughly spoilt and becomes a bad adult .

To get respect from the child one must be honest about everything in your life .

Yes i remarried . Yes this is my wife . Yes i expect u to greet her with respect . Here i have brought gifts for u . Ok , u don't like them ? Fine , next time i will ask u before buying . Well , ur not my only family , Ishita , Ruhi AND u r my family and i really cannot go anywhere pretending one of u don't exist coz its so insulting to the one i am embarassed about . For instance , i cannot tell Ishita that she will come first and ignore u although u stay with Shagun mumma . Of course she has to accept the fact that u r my son and respect it .

Raman should be loving but firm . Children feel a grudging respect when that happens although they don't show it . They have their own yardsticks of judging parents and if they don't feel respect they walk over them .

I agree that Adi wants attention . But he has become self centred .He needs to be put straight with less pampering and blunt talks .

Missing him has made the Bhallas weak in love . He should know there is love but nobody is gonna bend any rules for him or fall over themselves to please him .

His relation with Ruhi must be encouraged . That will bring him in the family fold .

I hope Ishita makes Raman see straight and sets Adi straight too .
Edited by koolsadhu1000 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I loved your perspective dear😊..Very well put😃..I guess Adi's actions towards Raman are justified..cos its th way he's been brought up..His mind has been been poisoned by Shagun and Ashok so much that he overlooks everything..and fails to understand Raman..The only problem I have with Adi is that if he feels his dad cheated his mom..why doesnt he open his eyes and see that his mom is also living with a stranger..who is his so called "dad"..He's eleven.. I guess he's old enough to know that both his parents are with diff ppl now..But how can he overlook Shagun's relation with Ashok and judge Raman's relation with Ishita🤔..I find it highly ridiculous😕.. I dont know what I am missing here..😕
As far as Raman goes, I think he is blinded by his love for Adi that he tries to justify every one of his actions to his child..Or maybe its the fear of losing him completely that's making him speak the way he is..Though Raman has kinda already lost his son because of the instigation by Shashok..As someone very rightly pointed out..Raman doesnt see what he has[Ruhi and Ishu]..he goes behind what he does not have[Adi]

I just hope things get better in future😊..I dont want Raman torturing Ruhi-Ishita because of Adi..And I hope Adi realizes what is right and what is wrong😃..which is a long way to go😛😛

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Posted: 11 years ago
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nice post. shagun-raman wat done r how they handled ruhi in ruhi custody case same they r doing in adi case with their own reasons n intentions.they r not good parents n d way they r handling d situation is pathetic. as ashok said to raman in a way given helpful tip to raman tat ruhi n adi r not same n raman way won't work in adi as worked in ruhi.
raman is too emotional n has to work very hard on him n handle d things n situations related to heart matters n can share with his dad n can take tips frm him how to handle d family things as a head of d family as a family by keeping intact d family integrity.mr.bhalla can guide n show how to handle family things with care n sensibly n smart n right path.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: aimf

@loveable

Great analysis of all the characters. Wonderful and methodical writing👏


Hey there!!! Thank you SO much for your comment!!! I want to go ahead and say this, I personally LOVEEE your posts and topics on this forum!! It seems like every time I have a busy day, you have made an absolutely fantastic post...and I can rarely reply back to them or I am joining after the discussion has ended.

Please consider this an acknowledgment of the beautiful posts you write and an apology for not being able to contribute to the discussion on your threads. I really do love the way you write :D
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

The way both Raman and Shagun handle Adi is terribly wrong and will make him thoroughly spoilt .


Shagun buys him with gifts , PLIES him with them and tells him stories of adults when it is imperative to keep a child away from adult politics . Ashok is a very bad influence on kids , with his nasty mind . Dunno how Shagun can sleep around with some one who uses kids .

Adi should be got away from these two ASAP .

Raman is perpetually apologetic and stands on his toes to please him . When you r apologetic for something u did not do , u send the child a wrong message , that u r INDEED guilty . U never get respect from the child then , the equation remains one lacking respect . It isn't healthy , that equation . It brings no good . The parent remains pained for life and the child gets thoroughly spoilt and becomes a bad adult .

To get respect from the child one must be honest about everything in your life .

Yes i remarried . Yes this is my wife . Yes i expect u to greet her with respect . Here i have brought gifts for u . Ok , u don't like them ? Fine , next time i will ask u before buying . Well , ur not my only family , Ishita , Ruhi AND u r my family and i really cannot go anywhere pretending one of u don't exist coz its so insulting to the one i am embarassed about . For instance , i cannot tell Ishita that she will come first and ignore u although u stay with Shagun mumma . Of course she has to accept the fact that u r my son and respect it .

Raman should be loving but firm . Children feel a grudging respect when that happens although they don't show it . They have their own yardsticks of judging parents and if they don't feel respect they walk over them .

I agree that Adi wants attention . But he has become self centred .He needs to be put straight with less pampering and blunt talks .

Missing him has made the Bhallas weak in love . He should know there is love but nobody is gonna bend any rules for him or fall over themselves to please him .

His relation with Ruhi must be encouraged . That will bring him in the family fold .

I hope Ishita makes Raman see straight and sets Adi straight too .


Helloo there!!!

Thank you SO much for your reply and for joining this discussion :D

I have to completely agree with you. Watching Raman and Shagun attempting to raise Aditya is like watching a train derailing and soon to crash! Neither of them are practicing healthy parenting styles.

Shagun thinks burrying this kid in materialistic goods is going to compenstate for the lack of nurturing, parental love! And Raman thinks placating this childs qualms about Raman's second wife is the only kind of parenting he needs to do. None of these characters are perfect...but I like that the creatives are taking somewhat of a realistic approach to this...Parenting is NOT easy! Parents WILL make mistakes, and fall...and even parents have a learning curve. I am sure Raman will see, soon, that no amount of his apologizing is going to do any good with Aditya.

I LOVE what you said about being a good parent and being honest... there needs to be a two-way respect for each others lives and decisions they make. Aditya NEEDS to respect, if not necessarily accept, Ishita as a part of the Bhalla family. I agree, there needs to also be more interaction between Aditya and Ruhi...just because Aditya shows disregard and disinterest towards Ruhi, that doesn't mean that that brother-sister duo should be ignored or allowed to take its own course. That relationship needs guidance!

Thank you for your reply, it was so insightful and had great discussion points :D
Edited by loveabletwinz - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: simples28

I loved your perspective dear😊..Very well put😃..I guess Adi's actions towards Raman are justified..cos its th way he's been brought up..His mind has been been poisoned by Shagun and Ashok so much that he overlooks everything..and fails to understand Raman..The only problem I have with Adi is that if he feels his dad cheated his mom..why doesnt he open his eyes and see that his mom is also living with a stranger..who is his so called "dad"..He's eleven.. I guess he's old enough to know that both his parents are with diff ppl now..But how can he overlook Shagun's relation with Ashok and judge Raman's relation with Ishita🤔..I find it highly ridiculous😕.. I dont know what I am missing here..😕

As far as Raman goes, I think he is blinded by his love for Adi that he tries to justify every one of his actions to his child..Or maybe its the fear of losing him completely that's making him speak the way he is..Though Raman has kinda already lost his son because of the instigation by Shashok..As someone very rightly pointed out..Raman doesnt see what he has[Ruhi and Ishu]..he goes behind what he does not have[Adi]

I just hope things get better in future😊..I dont want Raman torturing Ruhi-Ishita because of Adi..And I hope Adi realizes what is right and what is wrong😃..which is a long way to go😛😛


Aishuu!!!

Thank you SO much for your reply! We honestly look forward to hearing back from you on our threads :D Your responses always make us so excited :D

I have to agree... there is justification, albeit very little, for the actions Aditya does. But it is still hard to overlook the fact that sometimes Aditya comes across as an old soul in a child's body...the kind of conniving, ingenuine quality to him can be so unnerving sometimes no? I wish I could understand more too why Adi is so open to accepting Ashok, but not Ishita...but then like we said in the main post, I guess because Adi is pining for Raman's full, undivided attention...Adi probably is jealous of Ishita.

Raman is definitely blinded by his love for Adi and cannot see anything beyond acquiring his son's approval! It is definitely an obsession and because of which he is failing to see that kind of beautiful family he has with Ishita and Ruhi. But it must be hard to let go of hope for your son too...so I can slightly understand why Raman is behaving the way he is.

I hope so too yaar! I can't wait for things to be perfect for ISHRA and for them to become one, happy family!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Savz_Startling

nice post. shagun-raman wat done r how they handled ruhi in ruhi custody case same they r doing in adi case with their own reasons n intentions.they r not good parents n d way they r handling d situation is pathetic. as ashok said to raman in a way given helpful tip to raman tat ruhi n adi r not same n raman way won't work in adi as worked in ruhi.
raman is too emotional n has to work very hard on him n handle d things n situations related to heart matters n can share with his dad n can take tips frm him how to handle d family things as a head of d family as a family by keeping intact d family integrity.mr.bhalla can guide n show how to handle family things with care n sensibly n smart n right path.


Heyyy therree😃

Thank you SOO much for your comment! I completely agree with you! Raman and Shagun seem to be fighting AGAINST each other, instead of fighting FOR Aditya! Everything has been a match of "who-can-one-up-the-other" all this while...I also agree, Aditya and Ruhi are completely different entities... they need to be approached in completely different ways. Ruhi is a lovely child, with whom it is possible to talk softly. But Aditya is a mini-monster that needs a lot of taming and firmness, So Raman has to approach him in a different way (I have to agree with Ashok here)
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Good to see such a topic, I guess it is much needed to analyze the behavior of both Adi & Raman not to justify their action but find the reason behind their behavior.

I guess Raman & Adi are no different in character, they both can be emotionally manipulated easily which Ashok and Shagun enjoys doing. Now Adi is toying with Raman's guilt to humiliate him. They both make their own perception on situation/person and refuse to look beyond it until situation puts them in a fix.

Raman definitely has lots of love and affection for Adi and I don't blame him, Adi was his first child, the one who showed him the joy of parenthood. Every parent would always have a special spot for their first child. He adores his son and shares more happy memories with him compare to Ruhi. Not that he loved Ruhi less but she used to remind him of Shagun's betrayal. His past always came in between him and his daughter till Ishita came and drilled senses into his head. Raman feels that he was wrongly framed in the eyes of his beloved son, he was deprived a chance to prove his innocence which is the reason why till today he is trying to explain himself to Adi and ends up getting humiliated all the time. What irks me is that, he keeps iterating that Ishita doesn't mean anything to him. What Raman needs to realize that he needs make Adi understand that his love for this son has not changed even with his remarriage. Ishita deserves respect as she has been doing more than being just Ruhi's glorified nanny cum mother.

We don't know much about Adi's past but I can conclude that he idolizes his mother. He refuses to see beyond what his mother paints in his mind. For him, her infidelity doesn't matter, she was just a helpless mother who was trying to give the best for her son and also herself which Raman failed. He holds Raman responsible for all the misery he and his mum went thru, her decision to send him to hostel and the agony of his separation from Shagun. Ashok was her choice, so he will also be Adi's choice. He grew up hearing venomous accusation about Raman and his family from Shagun and Ashok, it will take a very long time or never for Adi to come out from it. Adi will not leave any opp to humiliate Raman and everyone related to Raman until Raman stops feeling guilty for a mistake that he never committed. He should clearly explain what happen and let Adi to decide.

Raman should give Adi the same taste of medicine he gave Shagun, Adi may start to realize what he is losing.

Sorry for the long ramble...

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