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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

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Thanks Viswasruti. I call the people who can guide as visionaries, not intellectuals. Again different POV, because they carry a vision just like Krishna who held the reins of Arjuna for the realization of that visionOr that of Chanakya who created the Akhanda Bharat using Chandragupta Maurya Or PV who created the modern India with Manmohan Singh. Narayana Murthy who created India's second largest company with the savings of his wife Sudha Murthy. A visionary to me speaks less, acts more. How much I love the silence of Krishna with that twinkle in the eye and smile on his lips. While intellectual speaks more, acts less, offer opinion on every single thing under the roof. And if I have to listen to any expert view on demonetization I would rather listen to what Dr Manmohan Singh has to say than Mr Chidabharam. Coming to media giving only one part that is applicable every where dear. Everywhere. That's why HarryPotter is a success and Mahabharata is a religious book. I had drawn some interesting parallels between Harry Potter and Mahabharata in Mahakumbh forum. But that forum is locked now.Beauty of Sanathana Dharma, connection to western science, ideas hijacked by westerners and used as their own and what are we doing. How are we defending our culture. Praying to Ram and Krishna or speaking the actions of Ram and Krishna in the language of west that of modern science and tell them the knowledge they are claiming as theirs existed in ancient India and the 2 great epics perfectly follow the laws of motion by Issac Newton. Can we connect. It is not about we envisioned about Pushpak vimaan or something. It is pure connection of Indian mythology with respect to Maths and Science. If at any point you feel you can see the other side of what intellectuals are speaking, making you believe what they want, if at point of time you can see something beyond worshipping our epics, do look at these things.

Learn to tell why you are doing certain things in a scientific manner, learn to tell why Ram did this and Rama did that in the language of science and maths instead of telling Ram and Krishna is Narayana, that day India will stand up. The day when such knowledge can cut through across the intellectuals idea of India that day an indian will feel pride of his culture and stop looking at West for ideas.

You told media doesn't want common man to see certain things. These are my own observations which I get surfing through multiple channels because one channel or paper don't give views.

Opening of Kashmir schools is important discussion point, if knowledge of debit credit is as far as demonetization goes.

If Indira Gandhi is an admirable lady, Narendra Modi is also a democratically elected Prime Minister of India. He didn't circumvent any rule to stay in power which Mrs Gandhi did imposing Emergency.

If Emergency was good irrespective of hardships, then demonetization is also good irrespective of hardships.

Pros and cons has to be looked at everything than blindly taking the views of someone. I don't know for anyone else, but for me blind worship doesn't exist. I respect and a person gains my respect through actions which Narendra Modi has done, So has Indira Gandhi and PV.

Last but not the least I am also a student as I always tell. I always love to place myself as Arjuna with Krishna holding the reins of my battle, showing me direction when I need it the most. Wishing I could be Prahlada the boy through which Narasimha manifested. His perfect understanding of how Narayan operates is too good.

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proteeti

@sambhavami

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Posted: 8 years ago

#402

This was wonderful! Not everyone can pour out their emotions like Dharani can!

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Srutha

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Posted: 8 years ago

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Shurthi, I agree more with Madhuri on this. When an intellectual brags and finds flaws, he or she is no longer an intellectual, he/she is a show off. One with intellectualism in them can turn into great visionaries. When one turns into a great visionary, both speech and action are required. The Gita was not an action, but a song, a long speech of wisdom and knowledge flowing out of the words of Lord Krishna. Lord Krishna did the actions, but that was the follow up of His words. Lord Rama did the same. Both were intellectuals and visionaries. Modi is the same. One can be both without creating a hassle, allowing the two sides to co-exist harmoniously. Lord Krishna tells Arjuna to act; but till He does, Arjuna doesn't know why. Intellectuals are those people who have the ability to guide one to their Destiny in their own way. When Lord Krishna gave the Gita, He was a philosopher and an intellect, not a visionary. Why He gave the Gita I will cover soon. But tell me why you think Arjuna needed the Gita.

All of you, please do give m your opinions as well.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

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@Shrutha the question is very relevant because why Gita was only to Arjuna, why not to Dharmaputra or Bhima, but Arjuna.

Because Arjuna was a man with conscience, he loved every relation. Yes adharma was done on his wife, onto himself but when he stands for the war he sees his pitamaha, his guru, his cousin brothers I mean excluding Dusashan and Duri the other brothers were not involved in insulting Panchali, his sister's husband. What will he gain after fighting them. They are his own. Will he have peace of mind. What use is the kingdom after killing the loved ones.

Whenever we are faced to raise voice against our elders, our teachers this conflict happens. Is it right. Atleast for me it happens. Is it right to speak like this to father, mother. Shouldn't I give them happiness, isn't it my duty as a daughter. Is it right to oppose them.

Gita teaches you not to attack the person, but attack the adharma in the person. It teaches you not to look at the war from a personal point, not an act of revenge. But for the justice that has to happen where the balance has to be corrected. It is not elder, younger, teacher etc. It is dharma. It basically helps Arjuna to deal with his emotional conflicts on the need to oppose his loved ones. To help him make decisions in moral conflicts.

This is the gist. But I feel Shrutha let us stop. Whenever you come with very much polarized views I prefer not to discuss it further because I don't like justifying my stand in general. I just respect the other POV and leave it like that and expect the same from others.

Apologies this was actually not the place for me to discuss my views as I know I am very much radically opposite to the thought process of people reading this thread. So will come back here when you update the next part. Afterall it is your story thread.

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Srutha

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Posted: 8 years ago

#405

I have a slightly different theory, which I will elaborate in my upcoming chapters 😳

I know our views are different, but having polarized views on God is not all that wrong, I feel.

It is fine that you told us your opinion. My respect for you increased after reading it. I am like you, I respect everyone's opinion, though some times I may not like them.

You are welcome to discuss on this thread. This is, after all, a learning experience for all of us.

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Madhuri

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Posted: 8 years ago

#406

Our learned friends Srutha &Shruthi , it is really an honor to be with you in this place to discuss , to share few of my opinions . A visionary is a pious person who has values to define what is good for the society in general and what is good for the man in particular . And an intellectual who has the capacity to define the problem at hand and always ready to offer solutions for those problems . In simple words , for me ,Lord Rama was a visionary , and Srikrishna was an intellectual , knows the problems , consequential impacts on human life and had the capacity to offer the solutions , remedies . Rama was there for defining how to live , but Krishna was there to differentiate between one's Dharma to follow , and one's duty to perform , how not to harm to fellow human beings , how to love , how to unite , how to safeguard others , but at the same time if demon is dominant in you , you deserve a punishment ! Put yourself in moral scrutiny and lead a life on the well-defined path of Dharma .

Again reiterating , I don't want to be judgemental , let me be in a position to reap the new thought , to hug the knowledge with glee like a kid in a toy shop ! Love to read the critical acclaims and constructive criticisms and all the discussions taking place in this thread . 👏 Respect and appreciate everyone's point of view .

Thanks a lot for sharing your opinions and wise words with me . 😊

For me, Mahatma Gandhi and his philosophy are great . Let us respect all the views and opinions on historical and Epical facts .

And I love Krishna's intellectual philosophy, the Gita which shows us the right path in life like a midday sunlight !

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daydreamers

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Posted: 8 years ago

#407

Tha I need time.. Please I need time to read the story 😆..

But I happened to read the last pg..

Shruthi I loved ur idea of visionary and intellectuals 😃. Tho I can't really comment on who of the two speak less 😆. Intellectuals are well read, sharp, intelligent. That's the reason they are called intellectuals aren't they? Visionary goes a step ahead. I won't say much ahead but just a step ahead. And that one step comes with the guts to do something new, unusual but right.. The vision comes with the courage of taking risks.. And who in this works today will stake everything: money, job, career, family for that step? Very few of them...

Intellectuals can help with their ideas. If intellectuals and visionaries work in tandem it will be smthn else... The main issue is ideas are shared on a debate platform. Intellectuals can get proof of their talks but visionaries have nthn to show except the results that may arrive years later..

The root cause of the chaos is the educational curriculum of our country.. We are asked to mug up. That's how we love theory.. And we become intellectuals 😆.. Visionaries have unusual minds.. Unfortunately in India competition has become so important that innovative ideas are not much regarded.

But see what has happened a modi has stood up and so many are helpless 😆.

Nthn to do with intellectuals and visionaries but ppl today are not willing to fight... Not willing to struggle.. Not willing to strive.. If only they could see beyond the veil of greed. Development is possible with both ideas and actions.. Unfortunately ppl disregard both and run behind extra money. Money for survival is a necessity but when the border is crossed a modi stands up and all sit down 😆

I whistled at the whole thing when the news came up.

But the daily wage worker and common man with meagre belongings us definitely facing the heat. Even if we are in a similar state as that of soldiers on border, the condition of some people is really bad..

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#408

@DD just dropped in seeing you. Haan yes if both work together you get a dream world for sure. DD I meant the intellectuals in present day context only. You know right I come from Kerala. We have lot of intellectuals, who has knowledge of everything. Who know what their rights are. Drop of a hat, bandh, harthal, vandalism. There were years in my life when atleast 100-150 days of a year was bandh or harthal. Before studying for exam we will check is there any bandh.

Even today on a harthal day if you have to work, you have to depend on police convoy. Since lot of intelligence was there industries were shut and people have to go outside to get work.

Maybe that's why though I know the issues on the ground I didnt feel it to be great. Because we have seen much worse. Coming in a train from outside Kerala and landing in TVM only to realize it is bandh. Stranded in Railway station, no food, not even proper water for a full day.

Enough people have died because medical care didnt reach the people on bandh day as even ambulances were not allowed to ply.

And yes people are crying Modi didnt give time. It was only 2 weeks back some party announced harthal at 5 pm in the evening. What were people supposed to do. Nobody thinks. Sometimes we wont be even able to stock next day's essential items like milk the way the announcement of harthal comes.

It was after high court intervened it is somewhat better for the past 10 years. Else a Keralite suffers more on a bandh or harthal day than this demontization issue.

To know more about this highly intelligent culture of Kerala read this website . Every party does harthal because in Kerala the might is shown by disrupting public life now and then.

Harthal and Bandh is always claimed to get the right of common man. Only issue was they died on the streets when the politcal parties showed their might.

Atleast Modi told common man will have problem, unlike those intellects who conducts harthal tells. For the benefit of democracy we are doing this. So we have the right to vandalize everything.

http://www.harthal.com/index.php

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NONIE

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Posted: 8 years ago

#409

Wonderful chapter Srutha😃

I agree with the point that people bash any character by misunderstanding the character. First they should understand the characters then they can bash it, most times positive characters always get bashed

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Srutha

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Posted: 8 years ago

#410

Originally posted by: KanhaKiChutki
I am not ressing on this for a change.
This chapter for me, wasby far one of your best, it touched on many issues I think that have laid pending in my head for ages.
In my opinion, and people don't necessarily have to agree, at the root of all Dharma lie two things- an underlying Adharma that needs abolition, and a sacrifice. Always, Dharma operates on this. In the Rama Avatar, the Lord showed this, Himself. Raavan was the Dharma to be abolished, and the sacrifice He made was sending His wife away on the second vanvaas. As you very rightly pointed out, it was NOT the husband Sitavar who sent His wife Sita on vanvaas, but Ayodhyapati who sent the Queen Sita on vanvaas.
The same way, Lord Krishna in His avatar too shows that sacrifice and adharma are what pave the way to establishing the dharma.

So, Laksh is realising? I am liking 😉 I love the flashbacks of both Laksh and Dharani, they show the emotions and the bond shared by a Bhabhi and Her Dewar, a mother and her son.
I am so so curious to see the life story of Shyam, it is super interesting! 😳
The chapter isn't exactly back and forth, I like the rhythm, it explains human psychology pretty well! 😉

Anyway, as a reward for this long review, the same day it was written, next chapter jaldi, plis. 😆😆

What you said is what I am going to say, in a different way in the upcoming chapter. I agree. Adharma has to be destroyed. It is then that justice is established.

That's how it should be 😳

Not exactly. As days go by, I have more experiences than I can imagine.

It is coming in a short while 😳