Instigating in self defense-punishable?(Mods note pg2)

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Here I am just to state a legal aspect. Whatever Tapasya did with Vansh is morally not right at all.

But here I am discussing the legal aspect (under real law ..not under Uttaran Creatives Law)...Under Indian Law...it is acceptable for a citizen to even kill someone in self defense (exceptions are ofcours there.....e.g. if you are robbing a bank.and u kill the guard in self defense ..it is not really excusable)

However in this case, instigating suicide by mere words, in self defense is definitely not a crime punishable by law....if it can be proved that Vansh would have killed Tapasya..if she would not have said those words- and that was what Tapasya could think of at that time to save her life.

Tapasya created misunderstandings,but that does not mean she needs to allow people to kill her.....and she could not have been given death sentence by anyone........and in this situation, the law does give her the right to defend her life in the way she could.

Infact if Vansh had killed her..he would have ended up in jail or mental asylum....Vansh was that serious a case who could go at length of murdering or suicide was not really known to anyone at that point of time....otherwise his treatment might not have been stopped. So when she created misunderstandings, nobody in his family, including Tapasya.....knew that this mental disturbance could make him kill others or himself.

She is responsible for plotting Ichha's murder......but I think if it were not for Uttaran law she cannot be convicted for Vansh suicide.

However creating misunderstandings is definitely an immoral act and not justified in any way.



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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: hima_123

Here I am just to state a legal aspect. Whatever Tapasya did with Vansh is morally not right at all.

But here I am discussing the legal aspect (under real law ..not under Uttaran Creatives Law)...Under Indian Law...it is acceptable for a citizen to even kill someone in self defense (exceptions are ofcours there.....e.g. if you are robbing a bank.and u kill the guard in self defense ..it is not really excusable)

However in this case, instigating suicide by mere words, in self defense is definitely not a crime punishable by law....if it can be proved that Vansh would have killed Tapasya..if she would not have said those words- and that was what Tapasya could think of at that time to save her life.

Tapasya created misunderstandings,but that does not mean she needs to allow people to kill her.....and she could not have been given death sentence by anyone........and in this situation, the law does give her the right to defend her life in the way she could.

Infact if Vansh had killed her..he would have ended up in jail or mental asylum....Vansh was that serious a case who could go at length of murdering or suicide was not really known to anyone at that point of time....otherwise his treatment might not have been stopped. So when she created misunderstandings, nobody in his family, including Tapasya.....knew that this mental disturbance could make him kill others or himself.

She is responsible for plotting Ichha's murder......but I think if it were not for Uttaran law she cannot be convicted for Vansh suicide.

However creating misunderstandings is definitely an immoral act and not justified in any way.



agree with you, he would have killed her ..... he was that angry ..... the way vansh died was sad .....

I know this doesn't go with the topic you posted but feel like writing something ….

people on this forum take everything so personally , i watch this show for entertainment purpose only, timepass .... tapu entertains me thats why i like watching her and if she does something wrong then be so ….. I am not here to learn anything from there , even itcha, you can't learn much from her either .... she is very passive i wouldnt wanna be like her at all but i wouldnt wanna be like tapu either .... this story does not affect my personal choices in real life but the sad thing is some members here make fun of other members and that is wrong .... tapu is fictional character but veeya fan r real .... its all entertainment ..... people who criticize veeya fans are hypocrite themselves because they r making fun of real people

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: trupat

agree with you, he would have killed her ..... he was that angry ..... the way vansh died was sad .....

I know this doesn't go with the topic you posted but feel like writing something '.

people on this forum take everything so personally , i watch this show for entertainment purpose only, timepass .... tapu entertains me thats why i like watching her and if she does something wrong then be so '.. I am not here to learn anything from there , even itcha, you can't learn much from her either .... she is very passive i wouldnt wanna be like her at all but i wouldnt wanna be like tapu either .... this story does not affect my personal choices in real life but the sad thing is some members here make fun of other members and that is wrong .... tapu is fictional character but veeya fan r real .... its all entertainment ..... people who criticize veeya fans are hypocrite themselves because they r making fun of real people



I soo agree with every word of your posts Trupat..that I agree even with your fullstops and commas...😃...you wrote exactly what I feel!

Tapasya is a fictional character..and its ok to give higher priority to her entertainment value over her positive/negative qualities...or to interpret her actions differently.....and for a fictional character -entertainment value matters more. Its ok..to not view the serial as a tool for social reformation...but just to have fun. And its absolutely ok-to interpret our favorite characters actions in the way we like. If we want to see her as a victim of circumstances..who can be beautifully reformed...thats fine...she can be anything we want her to be coz she is as imaginary as a fairy tale.😊 We can choose to hear that fairy tale according to our taste and preference......and give her any attribute we want to. Who is anybody to judge us?

Let people criticize Veeya fans. They make no difference.😳...there is no real Tapasya...and if in our story..she is the victim of circumstances...then she is-for us! Let them interpret their story in their way..and we will interpret our story in the way we like.


If they are judging or making fun of us on the basis of our interpretation of just a fictional story and an imaginary character......lets just choose to smile at this attitude...😳 .... Its just weird-nothing else..and they just might have their own reasons to do so...which we don't even wanna discus .😆

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: hima_123

Here I am just to state a legal aspect. Whatever Tapasya did with Vansh is morally not right at all.

But here I am discussing the legal aspect (under real law ..not under Uttaran Creatives Law)...Under Indian Law...it is acceptable for a citizen to even kill someone in self defense (exceptions are ofcours there.....e.g. if you are robbing a bank.and u kill the guard in self defense ..it is not really excusable)

However in this case, instigating suicide by mere words, in self defense is definitely not a crime punishable by law....if it can be proved that Vansh would have killed Tapasya..if she would not have said those words- and that was what Tapasya could think of at that time to save her life.

Tapasya created misunderstandings,but that does not mean she needs to allow people to kill her.....and she could not have been given death sentence by anyone........and in this situation, the law does give her the right to defend her life in the way she could.

Infact if Vansh had killed her..he would have ended up in jail or mental asylum....Vansh was that serious a case who could go at length of murdering or suicide was not really known to anyone at that point of time....otherwise his treatment might not have been stopped. So when she created misunderstandings, nobody in his family, including Tapasya.....knew that this mental disturbance could make him kill others or himself.

She is responsible for plotting Ichha's murder......but I think if it were not for Uttaran law she cannot be convicted for Vansh suicide.

However creating misunderstandings is definitely an immoral act and not justified in any way.





Hima we all know that whatever Tapu has done is very morally wrong. But I have been trying to tell people that under LAW she cannot be prosecuted for Vansh's suicide! Especially since it was a self-defence case! Unfortunately there are some people who are just not willing to see this!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: hima_123

Here I am just to state a legal aspect. Whatever Tapasya did with Vansh is morally not right at all.

But here I am discussing the legal aspect (under real law ..not under Uttaran Creatives Law)...Under Indian Law...it is acceptable for a citizen to even kill someone in self defense (exceptions are ofcours there.....e.g. if you are robbing a bank.and u kill the guard in self defense ..it is not really excusable)

However in this case, instigating suicide by mere words, in self defense is definitely not a crime punishable by law....if it can be proved that Vansh would have killed Tapasya..if she would not have said those words- and that was what Tapasya could think of at that time to save her life.

Tapasya created misunderstandings,but that does not mean she needs to allow people to kill her.....and she could not have been given death sentence by anyone........and in this situation, the law does give her the right to defend her life in the way she could.

Infact if Vansh had killed her..he would have ended up in jail or mental asylum....Vansh was that serious a case who could go at length of murdering or suicide was not really known to anyone at that point of time....otherwise his treatment might not have been stopped. So when she created misunderstandings, nobody in his family, including Tapasya.....knew that this mental disturbance could make him kill others or himself.

She is responsible for plotting Ichha's murder......but I think if it were not for Uttaran law she cannot be convicted for Vansh suicide.

However creating misunderstandings is definitely an immoral act and not justified in any way.



I can't really justify Tappu👎🏼................. i know Tapasya is a fictional character🤓................. I am just criticizing ONLY the character NOT reshmi who is an outstanding actress😊................
OK ........I accept that tappu instigated vansh to do so 4 here self defence...........but it didn't justify her deeds either😡 and she is responsible 4 ichcha's murder attempt😡.. if sid had been arrested then Y didn't tappu.....(cv's r showing related 2 real life................ so LAW also should be from real world, ...............not cv's laws)
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Posted: 14 years ago
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self defence 😆😆😆😆 i can see she is soooo guilty so get out of guilt she is partying😆😆😆
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: rashi85

self defence 😆 i can see she is soooo guilty so get out of guilt she is partying😆😆😆



perhaps u cannot understand why tapu shops so much. Only a depressed person who has nothing else to do finds so much pleasure in materialistic things. She has nothing else to fulfill her heart or her time. same for the partying. she is trying to drown her sorrows. she feels bad about vansh but she doesnt feel bad about anything she did to ichha
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Posted: 14 years ago
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😆😆😆😆😆😆
pple commit suicide wen theyr depsressed they get into drinkin n depression yahan pe money kharch akro aish se raho!!!!!😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
and sanaya please do not waste ur time quoting me it gets me more frustarted coz im least intereed in understanding you pple!
u know pple..my dad was watchin uttaran with me these days he is like i pity her father they say having daughters is a blessing here its a sin ! really guys..i was so ashamed that time!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: rashi85

😆

pple commit suicide wen theyr depsressed they get into drinkin n depression yahan pe money kharch akro aish se raho!!!!!😆
and sanaya please do not waste ur time quoting me it gets me more frustarted coz im least intereed in understanding you pple!
u know pple..my dad was watchin uttaran with me these days he is like i pity her father they say having daughters is a blessing here its a sin ! really guys..i was so ashamed that time!



oh really ji? perhaps people need to be reminded that parents are responsible for bringing up their children in the right way. Obviously Jogi and co never realised just what his daughter was learning. The most unfortunatr person here is tapu who got such a mother and father who never understood her feelings nor when she did show them bother to do anything about it! my poor baby now needs to drown her sorrows in shopping and materialistic pleasures until she realises she has nothing BUT left and commits suicide or someone comes to rescue her. Thank God for Raghuvendra Pratap Rathore. All of Tapu's so called "family"left her on the streets to die noticing nothing of their faults! Divya was talking about ego? who fuelled that ego? who fuelled the hatred? her parents fuelled the ego and nani fuelled the hatred! its a sin what jogi has also done! if he couldnt handle the responsibility of two children he shud have given tapu up for adoption at that time if he soo wanted to atone for his sin. She wouldnt be where she is now😡 i dont know what I can call such a father🤬
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Mods Note: Please refrain from calling other fan groups names or bashing them in any way. Its ok to criticize and analyze the show as long as u dont start calling names. Pls keep this in the mind in future...

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