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ipkrr

@ipkrr

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: -K.Kapoor-
Suraj's initial move to help Imli and her baby was a good gesture. Chakor would've lauded him for doing so, had he told her about it .. BUT HE DIDN'T!

1. Suraj assumed Chakor would understand ... wrong move, he shouldn't have taken her for granted!

2. Upon making the grand announcement, within the next few minutes, Suraj told lie after lie after lie ... wrong move! Nobody will believe you when you do decide to reveal the truth!

3. Suraj is forcing Imli to lie to sustain his story ... wrong move! He is now not saving her from any humiliation, instead he has labelled her a "HOME-BREAKER!"

All-in-all, Suraj hasn't done any favours to anybody! He, single-handedly has ruined 2 marriages and numerable relationships.

Do we want Sukor anymore?

1. Chakor always stands for the truth ... and Suraj is now a pathological liar!
2. Chakor is smart ... and Suraj is not applying his brain these days.

Answer is NO, do not want Chakor with Suraj anymore!

Well written KK.

Also when a person is in love with someone they watch out for them. Suraj is not even peripherally aware of where Chakor is...for all he knows she could be devastated enough to hurt herself...does he care ... no! After puling a stunt like this - he carries Imli to the temple - soothes her...takes her to the haveli...and is so focussed on Vivaan not insulting Imli that he ignores and disrespects Chakor...he does not even know she has left. Then he goes to deposit Imli in her room. Even after coming to his room there is no sense of urgency in not seeing Chakor there...when the fool hugs him - he is gaping at her worrying about what Imli may have said. The selfish Imli was more concerned about Chakor than Suraj.

Even in the OLV - after Chakor has left the haveli...he stays there shamelessly protecting Imli...when Chakor was the one who freed him and got him to the haveli...he did not even follow her to see if she was safe.

Do i want to see Chakor with Suraj...NO!

Please leave him with Imli...I'm so done with Sukor...I want to watch Chakor and her Udaan now.

If Chakor goes back to the haveli...this show is so done for me.

Edited by ipkrr - 8 years ago

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binivenugopal

@binivenugopal

Dazzler

Posted: 8 years ago

#22

Chakor has inherent good qualities in her whereas Sooraj never showed as a perfect person after all he is son of Kamal Narayan.

They were hard core enemies in the past, not that typical pair seen in love -hate stories.

The difference in their personalities make them a unique pair.

He is changed now and his intentions are good,but still some traits of his personality is still there,as he is not seen any wrong in wrong means or lies if it is for a good reason.

He supported villagers for gun making whereas Chakor doesn't want to attain goodness through wrong means.

His decision to support Imli is impulsive one but he decides to stick to it because he knows his intentions are good that is his personality but when we looking at Chakor's side,he is very wrong as how can he choose his love over other things.

It only shows the contrast in their personalities.

But once truth is out,Chakor will be happy and no one can understand Sooraj better than Chakor.

I want only Sukor but ultimately it's cvs to decide their future.

If they break Sukor forever,no complaints, I will quit,simple...

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nemo316

@nemo316

Sparkler

Posted: 8 years ago

#23

I think the biggest difference between the two views is how we view Suraj's decision.

Some see it as a proof that he doesn't love Chakor ( and still love Imli) while some view it as a cliched sacrifice of love to duty and correcting past mistakes.

If you're of the first view, then you believe Suraj betrayed Chakor, but if you're of the second one, like me, you'll see it as a part of CVs' plan to turn Suraj into a jagat pitha to match with Chakor's jagat maata in order to unite them later. After all this is not that different from what she did to Vivaan for the first baby.

Suraj's character is still in transformation stage, rough around the edges. He makes mistakes, some more grievous than the other but his intentions are good and more importantly he learns from his mistakes.

So for me, it's only sukor.

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Etna_Dia

@Etna_Dia

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: ipkrr

there...when the fool hugs him - he is gaping at her worrying about what Imli may have said.

I felt that he put more emotions in hugging Imli at the temple than hugging Chakor... I am disturbed as viewer when I see the husband's heroine who supposedly love her acting this way. What am I supposed to understand from all of these?

That's why I can't connect with Suraj anymore. I can understand that he wants to protect the baby but I can't understand why he is more involved in his scenes with Imli than in those with Chakor.

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Chasa

@Chasa

Dazzler

Posted: 8 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: meshmesh
I think the biggest difference between the two views is how we view Suraj's decision.
Some see it as a proof that he doesn't love Chakor ( and still love Imli) while some view it as a cliched sacrifice of love to duty and correcting past mistakes.

If you're of the first view, then you believe Suraj betrayed Chakor, but if you're of the second one, like me, you'll see it as a part of CVs' plan to turn Suraj into a jagat pitha to match with Chakor's jagat maata in order to unite them later. After all this is not that different from what she did to Vivaan for the first baby.

Suraj's character is still in transformation stage, rough around the edges. He makes mistakes, some more grievous than the other but his intentions are good and more importantly he learns from his mistakes.

So for me, it's only sukor.

But I don't want him to turn into a complete jagathpithata ..he is known for who he is..the imperfect suraj..

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Etna_Dia

@Etna_Dia

Voyager

Posted: 8 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: meshmesh
I think the biggest difference between the two views is how we view Suraj's decision.
Some see it as a proof that he doesn't love Chakor ( and still love Imli) while some view it as a cliched sacrifice of love to duty and correcting past mistakes.

If you're of the first view, then you believe Suraj betrayed Chakor, but if you're of the second one, like me, you'll see it as a part of CVs' plan to turn Suraj into a jagat pitha to match with Chakor's jagat maata in order to unite them later. After all this is not that different from what she did to Vivaan for the first baby.

Suraj's character is still in transformation stage, rough around the edges. He makes mistakes, some more grievous than the other but his intentions are good and more importantly he learns from his mistakes.

So for me, it's only sukor.

The problem is not his sacrifice. Babies always have priority in movies, so I am not surprised that he is ready to risk everything to save the child and I have nothing to complain regarding this matter.

The problem is his attitude and his behavior toward Chakor.

I was the one who explained yesterday with details and many examples that what Suraj is doing to Chakor now it is the exact same thing that Chakor did to Vivaan in order to save Imli and her first child. Chakor sacrificed their love and their future together for Imli's child. Suraj's sacrifice is the same. No complains when it comes to this part either.

But...when Chakor was rejecting Vivaan making him believe that she doesn't love him, I could connect with her pain and her anguish for giving up on her love. The way she looked at Vivaan, with so much care and concern, the way she was chanting his name all day long, the way she was craving to touch him and hug him, the envy in her eyes when she saw Vivaan taking care of Imli... it was all there... and it was real.

When it comes to Suraj... I see none of these.

*He said to Chakor he slept with Imli that night - and I didn't see his SHAME for saying something like that to his own wife.

*Chakor slapped him and ran away from him - and I didn't see his SORROW.

When it comes to Imli he is all involved being his dialogues or his body language.

*Vivaan tried to kill Chakor and he barley touched him.

*Vivaan misbehaves with Imli... and he is ready to snatch his head.

*A man pushes Chakor to the ground and he does NOTHING.

*Imli slaps and pushes Chakor right in front of him and he says NOTHING.

*Imli accuses him that he made Vivann to believe that he can't become a father because

he is jealous of her becoming a mother of Vivaan's child as their baby died,

and he DOESN'T CORRECT HER.

And that too in front of his wife and the love of his live, Chakor.

With Imli he is like the old Suraj, with Chakor he seems robotic, his actions are in slow motion.

And the list goes on...

Which wife in this world wants a husband who acts like Suraj who puts more passion in defending his ex girlfriend and their past than his his own wife?

I find VJ's acting OFF in his scenes with Chakor and I don't know if it is him or the direction.

If some people find nothing wrong with what I have mentioned above, I can't debate with them as I have nothing more to add and as they say "to which is own"!

Some people may be OK with Suraj when it comes to his equation with his present wife - ex girlfriend, but some don't.

As I said before:

The problem is NOT THE SACRIFICEbut HOW HE TREATS CHAKOR compered to HOW HE TREATS IMLI.

Edited by Etna_Dia - 8 years ago

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Sumo23

@Sumo23

Beginner

Posted: 8 years ago

#27

Claudia, Suraj and his behavior around both the ladies, very well put.

Though I haven't watched the scenes, I can very well go by your analysis.

So if we assume Vivaan loved Chakor, she did sacrifice his love, the result being by the end of the track she had lost her love.

Since the Cvs are so hell bent on playing Chitragupta, by the end of this track even Suraj should be losing his love then.

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Sumo23

@Sumo23

Beginner

Posted: 8 years ago

#28

Originally posted by: meshmesh
but if you're of the second one, like me, you'll see it as a part of CVs' plan to turn Suraj into a jagat pitha to match with Chakor's jagat maata in order to unite them later. After all this is not that different from what she did to Vivaan for the first baby.

Cvs are crazy if they want to change Suraj into Chakor part 2. A couple should be complementing each other, not competing. They are good together as is. Suraj need not undergo an entire personality change.

Edited by Sumo23 - 8 years ago

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nemo316

@nemo316

Sparkler

Posted: 8 years ago

#29

When he found out that Vivaan kidnapped Chakor, he did fight with him and it was Chakor who separated them.

As for Imli's accusation, we know he's happy for her, he told her that and he told Chakor too, it was just the surprise of the situation that left him speechless. Chakor too didn't respond to what Imli said (didn't she accuse her of being jealous of their happiness, I can't remember the scene exactly).

There is something off between them since the confession, some kind of unease by Suraj. I'm not sure saying that he was worried about the ramifications of the baby drama, worried that she might doubt him or saying that it reminded him of his past mistake is a satisfactory reason.

I thought there is something fatalistic about Suraj's talk with Chakor in the precap, he's submitted to his fate which is to accept this accusation. We're back to the idea of a 'hero' being unwavering in doing his duty.

His reaction when she leaves is baffling, surely he knew that was her only option. They wanted to show that their separation will hurt him but the whole thing is a mess.