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Posted: 8 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: prioty



I agree w8 u...but how many times chakor control herself??? She tries her best 2 stop suraj 4m drinking wine...but he never listens😲 chakor is also a human...we can accept the angry behaviour 4m suraj then why not 4m chakor??? As we see chakor manages the ques about suraj & imli's past then suraj should also handle chakor's angry reply😲 how many times will be she bearing his anger???😕



i understand ur point...but main issue is they r acting here...they r not ideal couple right? chakor knows suraj gets angry ..so chakor atleast handles that same way she handles imli issue...anyway actual scene is not that serious i guess...will wait till the epiosode aires...

anyway suraj now needs to use his brain...he loses his cool recently i don't know may be because someone in his life that to enemy helping him despite of his worst actions...but ya he changed...so it all for good..hope he realizes what is good and bad...i guessit takes some time
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Posted: 8 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: ipkrr

Suraj by acknowledging love for Imli - has absolved Chakor of her brideswapping decision. Right??? - she was the doing him a favor...and he also said in a dialog that you told me all along I loved Imli and I did not listen to you.

It's extremely annoying to see Suraj now - weak, drunk and ungrateful.
If he had refused to let Chakor save him today - I would have had respect for him...but no.

He talks about ego and self respect - where did that suddenly spring from? I have seen none to date.
He forced marriage on Chakor an unwilling bride - blackmailed her to keep her married to him
He was willing to walk away from his own child for money - treated the mother of his child so badly
He was happy to let Chakor earn money for him
He tried to get her to bed against her wishes - marital rape
He allowed her to save him from his dad - came back to the haveli hand in hand with her...and asked her to break her hand to save his mom.
He allowed her to help him keep his mom in a safe place
In spite of all this he's been ruthless in his treatment of Chakor...insulting her for all her help...like a little kid...takes the help and insults the one who gives the help
and suddenly now he has ego and self respect... Right??? He should refuse her help...no...again ego and self respect go for a toss when he asked her not to sign the papers?
Someone give me one example where he has kept his ego intact...answer is never!!
Please...Suraj's character has been beaten up pretty bad lately...and redeeming him is going to be an uphill task. I hope he grovels before Chakor decides to keep him for good.


I agree with your points, Priya.

Suraj's character is totally lost. This is no longer the character I used to like so much. I got really emotional attached to him and even if it is silly, it hurts so much to see him destroyed like this.

He was the smartest character in the show, his plans saved KN many times. As cunning as KN is, it was Suraj who had to explain to him many times what the situation is all about.
Now he is everyone's fool.

He used to have a mind of his own. He fallowed what he believed no matter what other peopel were saying.
Now he is a pushover. Everyone can emotional manipulate him. From Imli to Ranjana.

He used to be composed, the quality that I admired the most at him. He was not an angry young man, he was just negative. He was always in control of his emotions.
Now he has become hysterical, some copy of Imli (throwing tantrums all the time at Chakor). Even when he fights with his father's goons he no longer has a manly attitude.

He used to make plans all the time, from opening a factory to plan Chakor's victory on Asian Games. His mind worked all the time on how to make more money and gain more prestige in society for his family.
Now he is only planning on getting more and more drunk.

He used to drink but in limits. He didn't need anyone to tell him when to stop.
Now he is drunk day and night.

He talked to Chakor in a more respectful manner before marriage when she was his enemy than how he does these days. Even when he used to blackmailed her, he used to be respectful.
Now, what can I say, he is more than just disrespectful to her.

-> Coming to his love for Imli, well I think this is the most unnatural thing that CV could have done to this character. A proud man like Suraj who was educated to have the best in life, would have never fallen in love with an uneducated hysterical disloyal girl like Imli. Yes, disloyal. Many people think that Imli loved him unconditional, but Imli was after her own interest and betrayed him big time with that shooting competition which led to KN no longer trusting in Suraj's qualities. Suraj suffered a lot because of that. He knew that Imli betrayed him and that betrayal would have been reason enough for Suraj to never fall in love with such a characterless girl as Imli.
Edited by Etna_Dia - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#53
@Dia our Suraj will raise again despite of all odds.. it's all about time...now it's not his time.. but I have a strong belief whatever damage done to his character will be restored
Don't loose hope.. Suraj will come back.. Main problem cv's r concentrated only on Suraj death it's dragging...So we r taking each and every dialogues and dissecting them.. but Ya all happening for good.. let's hope for the best

Character butchering is main agenda of every serial.. how Good he is one phage he have loose his control and Blame everything on wife so wife will be mahaan.. Despite of all shit husband throws at wife.. wife accepts it.. it is main usp of Hindi serials..

Only few serials we see main leads so strong otherwise they have nothing to do except puppet always saved by wife.. how she saves it doesn't need any logic but need logic when husband not accepting that help.. if we see like this nothing seems correct!!

I don't know but I have this idea may be cv's r heading for Sukor love story.. Every time Suraj asks why she came..Just build up that tension between SuKor.. someday she tell she loves him so that's why she is saving him.. I know it won't happen though 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Sriarshi, I know what you are saying when it comes to ML and their position in the story, but to me Suraj's character can never be redeemed, he went downhill way too much. He will never be the same. Killing his own father, getting pregnant his own sister-in-low, walking away from his own child, falling in love with such a hysteric characterless girl as Imli. Is just too much. And more ever since that ice-cream incident (when he fought to bring ice-cream for Imli), I find VJ's acting odd. I can't no longer connect with his emotions. He repented for what he did to imli but I never felt it.

And more of the bacha thing, the act of killing his own father irritates me the most. KN is a monster but he loved Suraj in his own way. He did praise his qualities, he sent him to the best schools, he gave him money, cars, everything he wanted. When Suraj betrayed him, he was under a big shock. Suraj tried to justify by saying that KN did the same to his mother years ago. But this doesn't work. Years he had no problem which indicated that Suraj has forgiven him for what he did. During all this years he performed big love for his dad, like you very well observed. Was that fake? Now I don't know what to believe.

KN is after Suraj's life because he was the one who started not the other way around.

The act of killing your own father doesn't go down well with me. Suraj from all the people had the less reasons to kill KN. Nothing justify his act. And what is worse, he has no remorse. Well, then he should expect the God's punishment. Different stories from all over the world tell us that the punishment for killing your own parent is that your own kid, whom you raised and fed and educated, to do the exact thing to you.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Sri: Well with this interv I feel they closed the bachcha issue making Chakor say she has no problems, they have moved on etc etc...so I think we will have to do with that...
Only she's acting in front of reporters, what she really thinks abt it will be known later i guess, but I think they will move on from there...
Also she will come to know that Suraj lost imli in a gamble bet and Imli doesn't even know...
Lets see what chakor does with all this
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I hope that there is more to the Suraj losing Imli in a bet. I cannot digest Imli being made the bechari again and again. She was never such a bechari character initially. She was very chalu and cud to anything to get what she wanted. So please cvs, just dont make Imli so bechari. Let her have done some khaand all by herself too after Suraj had lost the bet.😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Etna_Dia

@Sriarshi, I know what you are saying when it comes to ML and their position in the story, but to me Suraj's character can never be redeemed, he went downhill way too much. He will never be the same. Killing his own father, getting pregnant his own sister-in-low, walking away from his own child, falling in love with such a hysteric characterless girl as Imli. Is just too much. And more ever since that ice-cream incident (when he fought to bring ice-cream for Imli), I find VJ's acting odd. I can't no longer connect with his emotions. He repented for what he did to imli but I never felt it.


And more of the bacha thing, the act of killing his own father irritates me the most. KN is a monster but he loved Suraj in his own way. He did praise his qualities, he sent him to the best schools, he gave him money, cars, everything he wanted. When Suraj betrayed him, he was under a big shock. Suraj tried to justify by saying that KN did the same to his mother years ago. But this doesn't work. Years he had no problem which indicated that Suraj has forgiven him for what he did. During all this years he performed big love for his dad, like you very well observed. Was that fake? Now I don't know what to believe.

KN is after Suraj's life because he was the one who started not the other way around.

The act of killing your own father doesn't go down well with me. Suraj from all the people had the less reasons to kill KN. Nothing justify his act. And what is worse, he has no remorse. Well, then he should expect the God's punishment. Different stories from all over the world tell us that the punishment for killing your own parent is that your own kid, whom you raised and fed and educated, to do the exact thing to you.



Dia...I understand ur point of view...Suraj character gone down hill for me when he proposed imli...I didn't liked few episodes his love for Imli...Bacha thing i don't believe until cvs show that early morning of that night Suraj and imli at one place...If He is father then show it then it make some sense to believe he is father...Then redemption but cv's already showed it as his love for imli and his guilty...So may be we don't get any redemption if they don't open that track...

But ya he did all terrible mistakes...May be cvs want to show him as worst character ...So how Chakor bring him on right path..But cv's forget if they bring Suraj that low how will he equal to Chakor? so anyway always mismatch between them ...He is worst she is too good..But what i like him about him most is he never put his finger in other matters until unless they poke him..He is not weak like Vivan...He never experienced love in his entire life..He raised up in horrilbe conditions...So i believe cv's want to show how kids will turn when no proper upbringing..Now with good person like Chakor how to correct his path...So definatly he have to be worst😆

Killing his father ... I thought he ditched his father because he already so many times insulted him and his mother..Every time he said so many hurtful words for Suraj he even surprised to hear it from his dad...

Accepting Ranjana ...He had no option ..So may be he accepted...But when Vivaan taking his position i saw he is getting jealous getting angry ...At one point he even accepted Vivan is good and smart..He is not...But he never think of consequences..But one day police arrested them...He already warned his father ...He didn't believed him...He knows he have to be in jail his entire life...So when lawyer offers him he can get out he gone out...I thought he used his brain smart get out otherwise any other day his father sacrifice him for sake of his illegitimate children...

But for me It looks like if a father marries another women and giving importance to children of second wife..First Wife children accepts it because there is no chance...If they but if they supress them they will go against them..Suraj waited for opportunity...That's what i understood from going out of jail...Even suraj tells how he treated him and praising Vivaan when going out of jail

Killing his father ..First his father sends goons na to kill him? after that he planned na? if kn is that much good he will show his son correct path na...What he learn from his father and gave it to him...Kn also he didn't tell locker number to him but he told Vivan? He gave all money to Vivan na?how it justify he truly loved his son? not only this so many incidents he praised Vivan

For me rape attempt looks odd and also sudden love for imli...

Whatever happens we can't correct it ...But little hope if cv's wanna show why Suraj did all of these than it would be good...I don't know it will happen r not...But he will apologize to all his doings when he propose Chakor then it will be enough for me ...Kn and imli don't need any apology ...i know His apology don't correct his mistakes...But everyone deserve second chance... hope from that day we can see new Suraj




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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: fan.matsh

I hope that there is more to the Suraj losing Imli in a bet. I cannot digest Imli being made the bechari again and again. She was never such a bechari character initially. She was very chalu and cud to anything to get what she wanted. So please cvs, just dont make Imli so bechari. Let her have done some khaand all by herself too after Suraj had lost the bet.😆


Is there any scene happened in the serial? r cv's just mentioning it randomly? they love imli so much😆

can't suraj get enough of his mistakes? how many he have to do😆😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Sriarshi, nothing in this world justify killing your own father. This is a sin. There is nothing to debate on this issue. In holy books it says clear not to kill your parent. It doesn't say that you can kill him in certain conditions. So, CV better clear this or maybe they want to send a social message that it is OK to kill your parent.

KN was harsh on Suraj but he was also proud of him. Many parents to that and it doesn't mean their kid should kill them. And many parents prefer one child over an other, that doesn't mean the other child should go to that extend and kill him just because he felt jealous.

Suraj betrayed first KN, then KN sent goons to kill him. After that, Suraj instead of going to apologize (after all the both of them did bad things together so why should KN be in jail and Suraj outside), he sent a killer to finish him.

Anyway I don't believe Suraj did it, there were will be twist regarding this matter because I refuse to believe Suraj was parting like crazy when his father was butchered in prison. It will make him very inhuman (see the roka ceremony episode)

And, Sriarshi, thank you very much that you are willingly to discuss such a sensitive matter which many of the members here refuse the acknowledge it and prefer to hide it under the carpet as it never happened and focus only on romance. I really appreciate you for this.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Dia: From what I understand it was KN who first tried to kill Suraj - the scene where Suraj saves Imli by taking the bullet was the first attempt was what we were made to understand n then later post imprisonment Surah betrayed KN after which KN again sent goons to kill Suraj n after that Suraj did the same too...

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