Vivaan's character

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Posted: 9 years ago
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First thing - I am a Suraj-Chakor fan - however illogical, immoral the pairing is.

But why is Vivaan's character under the scanner?
- He never accepted Imli as a wife, just accepted her and the child's responsibility. He always maintained a distance from Imli.
- Yes, he did not trust Chakor but she did not give any reason to trust her. I am a firm believer of "Trust but verify" motto. His trust is also not blind, nothing wrong in it.

Now he wants Chakor back as he has realized Chakor did everything under pressure. He has realized she still loves him, he love her and he wants her back. I think this is quite normal.

If anyone deserves questioning, it is Chakor. How can she decide Vivaan future for her sister's so called ever-changing love? Is she god or something? What if Vivaan is never able to give Imli a wife's status?

Chakor is the one who is playing with all the lives around her including hers. Shouldn't she be questioning Imli about her sudden "love" for Vivaan?

There are other ways to move Suraj-Chakor forward instead of shoving Vivaan into Imli's lap.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Katori absolutely agree. Chakor's interference is causing all these issues. Indulging imli to this extent - story is getting absolutely boring and nowadays Sukor are so indifferent to each other - not a sign of awareness. On Vivaan - completely agree - not everyone can fall in love like Imli.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I'm not sure what to think anymore. The show was superb and now it feels old!!
Guess will have to wait and watch. Why do all the FL's have to be mahaan!!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Katori

First thing - I am a Suraj-Chakor fan - however illogical, immoral the pairing is.

But why is Vivaan's character under the scanner?
- He never accepted Imli as a wife, just accepted her and the child's responsibility. He always maintained a distance from Imli.
- Yes, he did not trust Chakor but she did not give any reason to trust her. I am a firm believer of "Trust but verify" motto. His trust is also not blind, nothing wrong in it.

Now he wants Chakor back as he has realized Chakor did everything under pressure. He has realized she still loves him, he love her and he wants her back. I think this is quite normal.

If anyone deserves questioning, it is Chakor. How can she decide Vivaan future for her sister's so called ever-changing love? Is she god or something? What if Vivaan is never able to give Imli a wife's status?

Chakor is the one who is playing with all the lives around her including hers. Shouldn't she be questioning Imli about her sudden "love" for Vivaan?

There are other ways to move Suraj-Chakor forward instead of shoving Vivaan into Imli's lap.



but imvaan looks good together
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Same...chakor jo chahegi vahi hoga kya...vo hoti kon hai vivaan ke life se khelne vaali ...uska bas itna hi haq banta hai ki vo vivaan ko accept kare ya na kare, baaki vo kya karta hai nahin karta h bhaad me jae.
Vese imli ka suraj se pyaar uth jaana aur vivaan se ho jaana bhi normal hi h.
Mene to hamesa hi kaha h ki vivaan bilkul normal h ,kuch galat bhi nahin kar raha aur na sahi . Par spoiler dekh ke lag raha h ki vo bas chakor ko jealous ya competiton dene ke liye imli ko as a wife accept kara tha. Kunki ab use pata chal gaya ki chakor suraj se pyaar nahin karti .
Suraj to pura confusing ho gay h ,devdas h ghar ka.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Warning: Super long post ahead. I would love to hear an intelligent argument in response, but kindly talk only about Vivaan as it's his character that's being discussed here. I don't see the point of criticizing one character to defend another. It's high time the forum became a little more active and not every God damn post (pardon my language) needs to become a Vivaan v/s Suraj war-zone.

Hello, Katori!
You make some good points. I agree that Chakor's meddling is extremely annoying and the current track is unimaginative, repetitive and quite frustrating. If SuKor is end-game, they had plenty of options to get them together without dragging ImVaan in the middle.

The thing that bugs me about Vivaan is the fact that he shifts loyalties at the drop of a hat. I understand he has trust issues thanks to Ranjana and Tejaswini, but that's no excuse for being so quick to distrust Chakor, the woman he claims to be deeply in love with. And he never even had good reason to doubt her in the first place.

He hated Suraj, yet took his word when he blamed Chakor for swapping brides. Now Vivaan kept changing his mind about whether she was guilty or not. He lashed out at her immediately post-wedding. I'll give him the benefit of doubt here. It came as a shock to him and believing he was deceived was natural to him considering his past experiences. Then we saw him doubting his initial judgement and attempting to give Chakor a chance to explain, when Suraj staged the scene to make it look as though they had done the deed the previous night. Again, Vivaan believed Chakor was responsible.

Up till this point, his anger and paranoia can be justified. But then we see them around two weeks later, when Chakor has somehow miraculously managed to convince them she had nothing to do with it. So we assume Vivaan has had time to ponder the fact that there was no reason Chakor would even want to marry Suraj. Vivaan is in charge of all the property, so allegations against her for being a gold-digger are pretty much null and void. She most certainly was never attracted to Suraj. So she couldn't possibly have masterminded the swap. He's ready to reconcile with her at this point, when the whole divorce issue comes up and lo and behold we have him doubting her again.

It didn't take many grey cells to guess Suraj was probably blackmailing her (well, Imli figured it out) and we had Vivaan claiming he trusted Chakor, no matter what, for all of five minutes. It didn't take much to have him turn against her, yet again. And then of course with the paalna incident. Trust issues can explain one being paranoid their lover will cheat on them. You simply cannot attribute the fact that he believed Chakor would actually be capable of committing an act so heartless and petty, to his mommy issues.

As for his feelings towards Imli. The fact that he was willing to accept another man's child and had truly begun to think of it as his own makes him a far better man than Suraj ever was (till that point). But I feel he did have feelings for Imli or at least led her to believe her love was reciprocated. The whole "we would've ended up together even if circumstances were different" exchange, asking her to let her hair down, wiping the cream off her face were not platonic moments.

How he went from "humein aur humaari Imli ko alag mat karo" to casually asking Chakor what her future plans were, that too overnight, is beyond me. I feel he should've sorted out things with Imli first before trying to actively pursue Chakor again. Things between him and Imli are extremely awkward because he hasn't cleared the air yet. I understand he needs to figure things out, but he can take his time instead of going about asking Chakor to meet up at their former "lover's spot".

I guess the miscarriage will be the deciding point. If for some reason, he again believes Chakor is somehow responsible, there will be no justifying his actions.


Edited by Aradh_27 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Good points have been raised.
Vivaan's character sketch is of a simple loving person. Chakor has been the one to guide him all his life - while he has followed and supported her all along - gun, shoes, KN etc.
Swap was too shocking and the day after Suraj staged the drama - all of which implicated Chakor.
Time and time again Vivaan came back for Chakor and she always misled him and broke his heart. Vivaan also did suspect that Chakor was under pressure to stay with Suraj. Chakor went to great lengths to convince Vivaan of her love for Suraj - with all the media announcements, villager bandhua fiasco, shooting scene etc... Vivaan is the one Chakor supposedly loved - yet she chose to keep him completely away from all of this. In between all of this Chakor handed Imli to Vivaan. What kind of person in love does that? I do believe that Vivaan has trust issues. When you know someone well enough - you should be able to trust them but for how long. Suraj was mocking him all the time - at some point self respect kicks in and you begin to think you were totally wrong in your assessment of a person.
Not only Vivaan but Bhuka and Imli also suspected Chakor. Maybe the 10 years away - caused them to think that Chakor had changed.
I'm not saying Vivaan is perfect - he is not the right one for Chakor - she needs someone who she cannot direct or control. But Vivaan has never done anything intentionally wrong and he needs to be appreciated for it. Him going back to Chakor now in completely in line with his character sketch to date. He is asking Chakor what to do - weak but endearing. He never claimed to love Imli - just gave her the respect and support a wife deserves while doing his best to keep her happy in a bad situation.
Until Suraj fell in love with Imli - Vivaan really was in the bottom - lost his love, having to support Imli with Suraj's child (which he did for Chakor), against his mother. Suddenly Suraj feel in love and Vivaan is bashed for walking away with everything. He hung in there when the going was tough and based on his stand won the girls.
I am a huge Sukor fan - think VJ is the best actor in this serial - and love the Sukor chemistry.
This is however my take on this situation. I may not be right. We all bring a piece of ourselves to what we watch - and I don't blame Vivaan for reaching out to Chakor - in fact if he stayed with Imli without even raising this - I would think less of him.
Edited by ipkrr - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@ Aradhana
One problem that been on the show is that they have condensed about a 6 month period into a couple of weeks - Assuming Imli was about a month pregnant at the time of marriage and God-bharai happens at the end of the 7th month.

6 months is a long time and, as the audience, we have no clear idea about what anyone feels at this point. It is long enough for Imli to develop feelings for Vivaan, even though we call it instant love. Vivaan and Imli have had some "non-platonic" moments but they could easily be interpreted at friendly moments from my POV. You also have to remember they have been childhood friends, so there may already be some closeness. Vivaan also had to do some extra stuff to just make Imli comfortable in the house knowing that his own mother wants to throw her out and/or harm the baby. There may have been some physical attraction (not shown) but he never acted on it or tried to get close to her in anyway. He never shared any longing looks with her nor did he seem to confide in her anyway.

Trusting Chakor - Vivaan was never the brightest bulb in the room and couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag. He has always needed Chakor to fight all his battles for him. Emotional turmoil caused by loss of Chakor would have killed any remaining thinking powers. Without someone spelling it out for him, I don't expect him to figure anything out on his own. If her parents couldn't trust her, her sister couldn't trust her (after figuring out that Suraj must be pulling the strings), how can we expect him to trust her? To top it off - His family has always taught him not to trust anyone by kicking him all through his life.


His shifting loyalties to Imli are uncomfortable to watch but I can understand them. I don't think he is even realizing that he is betraying Imi as he never moved on from Chakor. For him, Imli is still a friend who is under his "protection". He also does not know that Imli has fallen for him and is looking to take her position as his wife.


My issue with Vivaan is that he never even tries use his brain. Anyone can manipulate him. Believes everything and anything anyone tells him. He has been more of a sidekick to Chakor for me.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Vivaan lost his case for me when he showed not-so-friendly concern for Imli. I can understand that he is still in love with Chakor fine, but he did give false hopes to Imli. How do I interpret those scenes where he talks about fate and you look very beautiful in open hair? Any normal girl would start fantasizing and Imli tou already has hormonal issues. I am a typical TV viewing audience who concentrates on dialogues more than figuring out underlying emotions. They led me to believe that now Vivaan is being more than just-friends.

I had no issues with Vivaan if he had been 'friendly' with Imli or rather remained concerned for the baby only because if he was in love with Chakor all this time, it's even more disgusting for me to accept that all these six months he was just trolling Imli?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Katori
I'm actually really glad we're all able to carry on a civilised debate on the forum, regardless of who we ship (probably a first here), so thanks for that!

I of course, agree with you about Vivaan being super gullible and a total sidekick. You've countered some points I put forth in my previous reply, so I'm not bringing any of that up again as most of it is subjective and I feel I've substantiated my arguments with whatever examples I could think of.

I will address the new points you brought up! I don't claim to have watched the pre-leap eps religiously, but as far as I know, Vivaan and Imli were never friends and their interactions were pretty limited (which they imply in a conversation just before the wedding, the one in which Imli apologises for standing by as Vivaan turned into an addict). The only common link between the both of them was Chakor. So I'll have to disagree that their marital "bliss" has anything to do with childhood friendship.

As for him never confiding in her, he did cry to her about everyone betraying him. And they always shared their theories about Suraj and Chakor. The only thing he kept from her was the bomb scare (after which he went running to her, instead of staying by Chakor's side. Nothing happened, so it's not as if he actually needed to check on her). What else does he have to share? He doesn't have any secrets (unlike everyone else in the haveli).

About the longing looks, this is cheating a bit, but they did have that intense (if you can even use the adjective, considering it's these two) eye lock during that button sewing scene.

I'm sorry if I'm nitpicking, but this is a lot of fun since no one's acting all high and mighty and flying off into a rage. Hope you don't mind!

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