Suraj Rajvanshi - The Lone Wolf

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Hi everybody. I'm Fia and I'm new here. I used to watch Udann regularly when it initially started airing, for it's fresh concept, but like all other Indian shows, the dragging and repetitiveness of the story got boring very quickly and I quit watching it. I have recently started re-watching the show and the leap seems to have been a good move. Since I have missed quite a lot of the show in between, I'd request that you bear with me if I'm not up to date on any particular facts. Fair warning, this post might turn out to be longer than intended.

As you might have already guessed, I'm writing this post to analyze and discuss Suraj's character. From the brief glimpse I've had of this forum, I have seen a lot of hatred for this character. And for good reason too. God knows if I ever came across someone like Suraj, I'd punch him then run screaming for the hills. But since this isn't reality but fiction, I like to keep an open mind. Because anything and everything is possible in the world of fiction. Otherwise, things would be far too bland and boring like in the real world. And if vampires can be portrayed as a sexy, loving species instead of the predatory and horrifying things that they actually are, I prefer not to pass any sort of judgements on any characters as long as they are written and portrayed in an interesting and satisfying manner.

I never imagined that Suraj's character would turn out to be so integral to the story post-leap, since young Suraj was pretty much useless in the show. Needless to say, I was surprised on seeing him being the main focus of the show post-leap. I have never before seen any of the actors that are playing grown up versions of the children characters so I'm not really aware of their fan following or talents. But from whatever parts of the show I've been able to catch recently, the actor playing Suraj really stood out for me. Now from whatever interactions I have been able to go through in this forum, I have a fairly good idea that I'm going to be accused of preferring Suraj over other characters/actors for his looks. Which by the way is a totally bizarre argument.

Firstly, there is nothing wrong with finding an actor good looking and liking him/her for it. Actors earn their bread and butter because of their face and looks. They always have to be in good shape and well dressed, otherwise people won't bother to spare them a second glance. The world that they come from is very visual, so naturally, they have to be conscious of their clothes or makeup or hairstyles to make an impression on the audience apart from their hard work and talent. And even though it isn't always the case, it's always better when those looks come with a bucket load of talent. Secondly, my appreciation for Vijayendra Kumeria is first and foremost for his amazing portrayal of the ruthless Suraj Rajvanshi, not for his looks that people here are so fond of pointing out. Besides, I don't even find him all that good looking. No offense to the actor's fans, but my definition of good looks is a little different from the general perception. Vijayendra has pretty average looks, but what makes him stand out is his persona and the way he carries himself, qualities that surpass beauty from leaps and bounds. Johnny Depp and Shah Rukh Khan are Megastars of their industries but are fairly average in the looks department. What makes them appealing towards millions of women, apart from their talent as actors, is their aura and personality, the way they talk and their sense of humor. In the end, that is what makes a man sexy and attractive in the eyes of a woman, not his looks.

Coming back to the point, I find Suraj's character very promising. He is adding the much needed flavor to spice up this show. I have always preferred grey characters over those of noble heroes with a "holier than thou" attitude for the simple reason that the former is far more relatable and believable than the latter. I don't know about you guys, but if I'm unable to connect with a character on a certain level, I don't care for it much. What makes grey characters more realistic is the fact that they are jaded and flawed, just like every single human being in the world. They do bad things, make mistakes, and do it all over again. If that isn't realistic than I don't know what is. And when it comes to writing a story, it's very important to create characters that are fun to write and can go through a significant amount of growth over a period of time so as to not bore the readers. Which is why from classic through modern novels, it's always the grey shaded characters that are remembered and leave an everlasting impression. Having tried my hand at writing a few stories myself, I am aware of how easy it is to lose focus and inspiration when a certain character turns out to be one-dimensional.

This is one of the reasons I would also prefer to see Chakor with Suraj instead of Vivan. The first and foremost reason being that Vivan is a weak character with no real identity apart from being Chakor's childhood friend. In this regard, I would have actually preferred to see Chakor with Aditya instead of Vivan because that character was truly amazing. Atleast in it's childhood era. But Aditya seems to have vanished from the story line altogether. I was shocked to see that his character got so sidelined when it was basically him who helped and supported Chakor in becoming who she is today. He was her shadow, her rock, a true friend in every sense of the word. If it weren't for him and his family, Chakor's wings would have been cut off and burned a long time ago. Whereas Vivan was always too busy being mad at her and misunderstanding her for no reason. I know he later joined hands with Aditya in helping her out quite a few times, but I was never able to get over him being an annoying little brat. A lot could have been done with his character's grown up version but that whole drug addict storyline turned out to be a massive joke. Addictions don't get cured overnight. No one is that powerful. And having Vivan accomplish that was a slap in the face for all those who actually battle addiction on a daily basis. Vivan is so weak that you can smell his weakness from a mile away. For him to have miraculously given up drugs is the joke of the century. I wish they would have made his transition more believable because this instead only makes him look like a fool. Hopefully now that he isn't under Chakor's shadow anymore, the CVs would be smart enough to take a risk with him and give him his own story instead of always being Chakor's helping hand.

This whole marriage saga seems to have been an interesting twist in the story because it has managed to peak my interest towards the show once again. And the mystery surrounding Imli's pregnancy is also very gripping. There is definitely something very shady about the paternity of her child. Even Suraj is mum about the whole thing. I have a feeling that either Imli is lying about Suraj being the father of that child and it is infact someone else who put that bun in her oven, or she isn't pregnant at all and claimed so to trap Suraj in a marriage. But if it turns out that Suraj is infact the baby's father, I would be the first to stop shipping SuKor. There is nothing I hate more than a man who would step out on his own child. There is no redemption for such a person. Having said that, I have always enjoyed a good love/hate saga and hopefully the CVs will do justice to this one. Given the right push, Suraj can definitely walk in the right direction because the kind of person that he is right now is solely due to his parents upbringing of him. Without their influence, he could be someone who is actually capable of being a little likeable. Even during his childhood days, I always felt kind of bad for him because he never had any real friends and wouldn't know what being loved felt like if it hit him in the face. Yes he had money and was showered with anything he wished for, but his life has always lacked affection, be it from his parents or anyone else. He is a lone wolf who even though is surrounded by so many people, is still alone, Which is why he is the way he is because he has no idea what being someone's friend feels like, what having a friend feels like, how a few words of love and affection can nourish your soul and make you feel whole. Maybe someday, Chakor manages to show him how that feels and he is able to stop himself from becoming someone even he would hate to see.

Well, that turned out to be longer than expected. If people manage to read this without dozing off in the middle, your opinions are welcome. Please refrain from bashing though. There should be no reason why we can't discuss things in a civil way! 😊

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hi fia
awesome post!
agree with you that suraj is adding the much needed spice to the show
the marraige twist was so unexpected , but am enjoying it
actually waiting to see how cvs deals with suraj whether he reforms if so how etc


Edited by Radhika_r - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hi fia ..
I agree ur point 100%not enough 1000%👍🏼
So brilliant post you have given wonderful explanation about suraj character👏..i have also seen many serial like angry young man like rk arnav...but suraj chacter is really untypically character in the thaatswhy i impressed suraj character his potrayal actor vijendrakumeria rock star no one could be act like this character hope cv will soon show justic hero in the udaan 😛

But onething this post will make realize some people why we are liking suraj character😉😆
Edited by sailuja - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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A long-time lurker, first time poster here on IF! Your write-up, Fia compelled me to reply. I found myself agreeing with all your opinions (that you managed to put across very eloquently and intelligently)- right from your pattern of viewing the show (I too tuned in when the show had just begun for a rather brief period (the actress who played baby Imli was the main draw for me. Now that is the only actor I'll admit to liking solely for her appearance 😆), then again post-leap for a bit and quite regularly now that Suraj has a larger role) to your assertion that shipping SuKor is a no-no if he really is the father of Imli's child.
What I've pondered a bit about is the nature v/s nurture that determine Suraj's personality. It has been pointed out before that Ragini (who seems to have fallen into some sort of existential void post-leap) remained essentially good-hearted despite having the same set of villains as parents. I'd like to imagine that being their first-born and only son and hence the only potential heir to Kamalnarayan's metaphorical throne, he was treated differently.

He was led to believe that a total lack of consideration for others and selfishness being one's guiding force in life was acceptable because that's what he saw practised (like his father cashing in his get out of jail free card in exchange for his mother's imprisonment, which he points out when he returns the favour). His father was always indifferent to/ disappointed in him (v/s Manohar who despite his blind faith in his brother, always loved Vivaan) pre-leap which probably motivated Suraj to seek his approval however he could. He was of course, encouraged actively by his mother (ever in awe of her "MP sahab") who I felt made him very aware of what was expected from him and was never one to shy away from a reprimand (like when he lost a race to Chakor) when he fell short.

I'll admit my viewing of the show has been very limited and my opinions are based on whatever little I watched pre-leap.

Post-leap I was hooked on the show mainly because of Vijayendra Kumeria-the humor he brings to the role, his acting chops and his delivery of (sometimes ridiculous but entertaining nevertheless) dialogues with such aplomb. Despite his nefarious deeds, Suraj is entertaining and actually makes me laugh every now and then (Kamalnarayan too, although despicable, was always fun to watch). I'm quite certain we will see his redemption (whether because of Chakor or not). I only hope it is a gradual and believable process.
Edited by bookerina - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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hey,
you explained it so well.. I'm in the same que. followed this show from the start later i stopped watching it. recently it got my attention because of suraj. CV's made Vivaan character so weak. I hated his character for being so dumb.
on the other hand Suraj with his persona and sceneces delivery was so eye capturing you cant go unnoticed.

hope the shows stay like this.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Loved your post and feel exactly the same way.
Just need 2 things - for Imli's baby not to be Suraj's and
don't want to get into Sukor and then have Chakor then go to spineless and faithless Vivaan.
Chakor's declarations of love bothers me :(
Suraj is definitely the most interesting character in the story and I really loved Chakor's acting today - she was convincingly strong!

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Posted: 9 years ago
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finally a sensible post on suraj chakor. till now i hav only seen chemistry physics and male lead posts. eventhough i hav different pov on many things i can help in feeling happy to comment on a sukor post without shaking my head.
first of all i want to clear to all vj fans that non of vikor/chatya/udaan show fans hate vj. i dont know why from starting when ever we bash suraj fans take it as vj bashing. even sukor vs vikor/chatya thing is portrayed as vj fans vs vj haters which is completely untrue. i like vj as actor but more than that i like him as a person who is complete family man offscreen. he and preeti is so cute. but suraj is a negative character and bashing him means vj is doing good job.
coming to topic.. there is nothing wrong in watching a show for a actorand that too for his looks or acting. fans does it. whether its negative or positive fans roots for their fav. but problem is people justifying actions of negative character for the sake of actors. this forum withnessed a thread on how lucky imli is to sleep with hotty suraj and how unlicky chakor is to miss it. that kind of pov made rift in forum. even now in twitter i hav seen fans saying suraj is right in swap thing as chakor started it. chakor had fault but that doesnt make suraj correct. blind shipping is problm for me.
suraj had scope if you look at childhood. he wasnt important. was dark shaded. but wasnt moulded like others. but after leap they hav shown him complete negative.. cuttimg tongue of policeman, involving in every activity of kn..its really hard to have a redemptn for such character. but the last nail was imli suraj consummatn. when imli told him abt preggy he got same fbs and he simply asked to abort his kid. he didnt cared even for once. now redemptn for this suraj in the name of a fiction freedom is misusing the freedom for me. like ragini.
as far as vivaan is concerned. being emotional is not weak for me. i found him close to reality than anyother characters. i dont think anyone can expect vivaan to trust chakor when he withnessed his own mother and his step.mother betraying him for power and revenge. im actually surprised when he started to believ in night itself eventhough it broke later. itsnt about strength of love. its about past.
and on drug track..it wasnt slap which cured vivaan. he used to take drug even after it. it was chakor accident which made him approach a rehab centre and to undergo treatmnt.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Well, hello Fia. I always appreciate people who take the time to write long posts to explain their opinions extensively. So thank you for that. That being said, I don't agree with most of your points. But I'll start off with the few that I do agree with -

1.) * VJ indeed does an excellent job of portraying Suraj, and succeeds in

2.) * They did rush Vivaan's recovery, making the whole thing seem a tad unrealistic - and actually doing injustice to his character

3.) * I too wish they show more of Vivaan's individual thoughts, opinions and story. Esp. the 10 years before Chakor came back.

Now on to the parts I don't agree with.

Suraj - Honestly, I get your fascination with dark characters. I get it. This is actually the very first time I am able to emotionally connect with the protags. My favourite character of all time is the big baddie of a show. But her character was far more complex. She had started out as a very brave, outspoken and righteous person. But she was also emotional to a fault. Betrayal, isolation, manipulation and a strong drive for justice turned her into an extremist on the other side who ended up committing a lot of wrongs in her life in her quest for revenge.

But Suraj, from what I have seen and observed, always had the mentality of a petty bully. Whenever he failed, it was always because he refused to perform. He took out the frustrations of his own failures on others. He had no "real" friends because of his own attitude towards them. He was always an entitled and over privileged child who had received plenty of love from his mother. He is not a good person simply because he refuses to be. He only ever craved power, but was never willing to work for it. He figured out the best way to have that is the continued existence of his family privilege. Forcing a bunch of kids to shoot their parents and taking enjoyment out of it are truly the beginnings of a degenerate mind. It's not normal behavior. As for parental influence, Vivaan grew up in pretty much the same environment but does not condone that behavior.

But alright, since it is fiction - maybe I'll accept Suraj's redemption - to a certain extent. Not a complete 180 change of character, but perhaps him seeing the error of his ways. But not through SuKor. Suraj and Chakor's history is only stained with bad blood. Neither of them could grow to love the other, especially not Chakor. As for Suraj, whatever he feels for Chakor is purely physical, nothing else. That and some sort of sick fascination of dominating the girl who dared to defy him. - the idea of which may seem very erotically intriguing but is actually very detrimental to a person in real life - especially one as strong and independent as Chakor.

Vivaan - You're not the first one to have called him weak. If you look through some of the previous posts around March/April, you'll find a lot of similar minded people making the same points - inciting a lot of replies.

Vivaan is very emotional - almost to a fault. The people he loves and cares about matter more to him than anything. If you ask me, his contribution in helping people is often overlooked. How he always stood by his daadi's side, how he helped Bhagya when she had been separated from Arjun. And I cannot even begin to list all the times he stood by Chakor's side - If it hadn't been for Vivaan, Chakor would've already been dead - at least 5 times over (I can specify all those incidents). Vivaan has always had the strongest moral core in the Rajvanshi household after Shakuntala Devi. He's always been a kind soul with very strong values - the reason he was so drawn to Chakor in the first place was because he'd found kindred soul. Someone who would accept and appreciate his goodness rather than seeing it as a disease, someone who would value his opinions rather than thinking that they are out of place. Everybody apart from his grandmother considered Vivaan's disapproval of the Rajvanshi household's atrocities a result of Chakor's influence.

But it was not. Chakor was just a trigger for bringing out his true potential.

As for him always being "mad" at Chakor, that was thrice. Three times in the entire series, excluding the latest fiasco.

The first time was when he had unknowingly let Chakor escape, the result of which was a sound thrashing by his father, and the ensuing separation of his parents. He did not know the reason for Chakor trying to escape, he did not know of the extent of her misery in that barn, hell, he did not even know about his family's crimes against the bandhua people. All he understood was that his parents had separated forever, all because Chakor tricked him. He was not right in thinking that, something he eventually understood.

The second time was just a bit when he thought that Chakor was misunderstanding his father. Like I had mentioned earlier, he's a very emotionally attached person and he had seen a side of Manohar which nobody else had, which led him to believe that Manohar had really changed, and was frustrated that nobody else would believe his father.

The third was when Chunni had died and Chakor had apparently left for good. The combined blow of finding out that Chakor had led him to believe that Chunni was the real Chakor and Chakor being gone caused him to believe that Chakor had betrayed him, but further episodes revealed that inside he didn't really believ that, he was just terribly hurt by it.

Aditya was a brilliant kid, and I am equally bummed that he got sidelined by the writers, but Vivaan will always, always be my favourite. Because from a very young age he had the ability to differentiate between right and wrong, and stand up for what he thought was right, even if it meant defying his own family members. He always had to tolerate a volatile relationship between his parents and I can tell from personal experience how much that affects a child (and I don't even have half the emotional wavelength of Vivaan). I'm not saying that it's easy, but yes , it IS considerably easier to fight evil when you're on the other side - like Chakor,Ishwar and his family, and Arjun. When everything is black and white. When you have your family backing you. But to go against your own family for what you believe in? To have faced betrayal from each and every one of them at some point? To see them put something or someone else above your own wellbeing all the time? And to still retain your innate sense of goodness?

For me, that speaks of an incredibly strong individual, fully deserving of respect. The times he has helped Chakor, along with many others completely overshadows all those times he had been "mad at her" as you say.

Well, that was just my opinion, in reply to yours. I won't be writing any further replies on this post. Have a nice day : )

Edited by Doomandgloom - 9 years ago
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I have a feeling that either Imli is lying about Suraj being the father of that child and it is infact someone else who put that bun in her oven, or she isn't pregnant at all and claimed so to trap Suraj in a marriage.
I don't agree with the part of Imli's child being of another man as she was never characterless and her sole love was Suraj. She might be obsessed about him but it's he who is characterless. If you have seen the earlier episodes, Suraj made her dance like a bar dancer before his friends and she felt too disgusted about the whole thing. It can be that she may be lying but I don't think so else she never knew about his marriage before she told him about her pregnancy.


Given the right push, Suraj can definitely walk in the right direction because the kind of person that he is right now is solely due to his parents upbringing of him. Without their influence, he could be someone who is actually capable of being a little likeable.

Suraj is not like another grey-shade male lead who had a bad past and the reason for him being evil too cannot be justified as just like KN was influenced by his father, Suraj too has learnt the same from KN. He is not grey-shade and while others compare him with other leads who redeem themselves, most of those leads have either had a bad past, have been obsessed in love (like Ragini), have been positive before being negative or have wanted to take revenge from the female lead while being in love with her earlier (like Arnav). There is no logical redemption for Suraj as he hasn't changed for 20-25 years while he knew Chakor and suddenly him falling for her and changing would be too awkward (unless CVs have already planned his redemption).



The first and foremost reason being that Vivan is a weak character with no real identity apart from being Chakor's childhood friend.

Vivaan has been weak because of his past and being under the influence of drugs. We shouldn't forget that he was the one to trap KN and Suraj and send them to jail. He has been like Ishwar for Chakor and that doesn't make him weak. I don't think we should call a positive character as weak. He is damn intelligent compared to Suraj who is an illiterate. Regarding him being cured from drugs in a week, we don't know what drugs was he taking and how strong they were. Tejaswani was not giving him cocaine that's dangerous. He just suffered from a memory loss due to those drugs.


He is a lone wolf who even though is surrounded by so many people, is still alone, Which is why he is the way he is because he has no idea what being someone's friend feels like, what having a friend feels like, how a few words of love and affection can nourish your soul and make you feel whole. Maybe someday, Chakor manages to show him how that feels and he is able to stop himself from becoming someone even he would hate to see.

If we are talking about parenting and friends here, Vivaan too was brought up by Manohar and Ranjana and both were evil. He still knew what is wrong and what is right but Suraj always hated him and Chakor. Suraj hates his own father because of his own selfish reasons so I don't know why he would love Chakor.


Also, Imli is a grey shade character and she became negative as she had a bad past. It makes sense that she redeems herself as she has been under the influence of Suraj and not vice versa. She was positive before.

Till now, all 5 characters have been retained as they were before the leap (Imli, Chakor, Vivaan, Aditya, Suraj). I'm hoping CVs would bring back Aditya as he has been her only friend who trusted her always.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I agree! The world is not black and white neither are the people that reside in it. Suraj wanted to be like KN because he always had him as the most influential figure in his life. That doesn't excuse his actions but doesn't mean if one person is bad, they cannot be redeemed or they have to remain bad! That's a complete bs thinking right there. I've seen even the worst of the characters being redeemed and not necessarily on Indian TV. I think Suraj is a character that will take time to change, sudden redemption or repentance can do more harm than good and I really hope CVs take their time with his redemption if they're going in that direction and handle it well.

If a character like Imli who put children and elders through so much trauma can be changed and be accepted then I think there is hope and scope for Suraj. I won't talk about Imli's pregnancy because there is no confirmation whatsoever of it, it can swing either directions. So I'll hold my judgement on it for now.

Also, just because a positive character turned bad and redeemed themselves doesn't mean they are justified or they are the only ones who can show repentance and redeem themselves.

Edited by Nym. - 9 years ago

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