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Posted: 11 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: monaco

@Ayab and @LadyZaib...

Agreed, I see Anshuman as more real. People like Paakhi really don't exist in real world... Atleast I haven't seen many. They are exceptions. I myself, have not "trusted" so easily... Anshuman has a lot going on, a lot, and his reaction (though not justified) is not unexpected.

Anshuman does need to learn how to trust in a relationship, but that trust can not come from being in love (and beating yourself for not being up to par) with a demi-goddess. That trust comes from years of being with someone, and communicating. Living a "normal" life with someone who slowly brings you out of your shell. Seeing the ups and downs of life together as a team - not just playing badminton, you see?

Who is Paakhi? From Anshuman's eyes, she is someone who waited for him for 18 years, yes, which in itself is something no one in today's time and age do. Is his first reaction going to be, Wow, I am so lucky that she waited for me, or is his first reaction going to be, "What does she want? Is she for real?". Everything Paakhi did including her not leaving when his so called affair with Tanya was exposed... is so unreal to Anshuman. In his world, people are matlabi, swarthi, and what not. With agendas. With intentions.

Then, three months later, he begins to trust Paakhi. Sees her as a really genuine person who is good hearted, and begins to feel comfortable around her. A few months later, he realizes how well she bonds with his family. A week of coochy-cooing later, he feels attracted to her and is about to consummate his marriage with her. But... he hasn't yet opened his heart to her, the one with the wounds his mother gave. The one with the complexes his father inflicted. The one with the relationship he had with his first wife. Paakhi has an inkling, but not because Anshuman said this to him... But jijusa did.

And, he sees a man constantly bumping into Paakhi.. and only Paakhi... everytime he is momentarily away from her... (ting, Super Cop Paakhi, you didn't suspect him?)... a sonography report from your family doctor that confirms that your wife is pregnant... And, all your worst fears come true. Every accusation he makes is believable - Paakhi waited for 18 years yes, but the sparsh ki bhasha was not how she recognized him... she saw him before during the dance, didn't she. And, he is almost a celebrity who has been on magazine covers so a net savvy Paakhi must have known instantly that he is Anshuman. All that sparsh ki bhasha must have been bullshit... Right? Paakhi has always been this "righteous" self, so why was she always meeting this man? (Yes, she is not meeting him, I am just being Anshuman for a second)... why did Paakhi not leave even when Tanya and his relationship was exposed... To do what? To eventually turn the tables - make him fall in love and then dump him... All this is a very believable story one can build... and justify to himself... Just like Anshuman's father. Anshuman's mother left them (whether by choice or not) and let his father create another himself .Today Paakhi has left Anshuman, and will let him create another Anshuman. Ayaan, will grow up with a different set of issues.

I may sound very traditional, when I say this, but Wives and Mothers react differently to situations. I am never a fan of mothers staying in loveless marriages and am totally against being abused for the sake of children, but at the same time, I feel that having children come with a set of responsibility - and Mothers dont deal with misunderstandings like that. Sorry.



as usual love ur post *BIG HUGGG*..underlined are sooo true the world is like that..selfless love is very rare esp now so rare...with children Motherhood has responsbilites..I am sure we will have discussion soon when anshuman's mother comes in picture...

All those things that anshuman did wrong are just insignificant cause paakhi would fight those challenges and sure to win..and impress us all..the real one was would she stand by this man and understand his mistrust..understand his fear of love...understand the wounds that he carries..Can pakhi love this imperfect man!!! the answer I have at the moment is NOOO and us all we want to her love a perfect MAN...!! not a man with flaws...

after saying please provide me cover like anshuman.gonna get beaten up😆 or called baised which I have to say I am baised to this imperfect Man..cause he has some values worth loving so much and pakhi could do a lot worse..there are worse men out there then anshuman!!



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Posted: 11 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: ayab


Well Pakhi did catch Tanya and Anshuman in a hotel room together, that was close enough to believing that Anshuman had cheated on Pakhi. Remember the scene where Anshuman lied that he was going to a meeting in Delhi, but the plane crashed and he was still in Shimla. She still forgave him and left the house without insulting, creating a drama, or calling Anshuman characterless. Whereas Anshuman did the complete opposite and accused her, called her characterless, and hurt her past the breaking point.



BUT BUT BUT we all accused and came down like hell on anshuman when don't forget they had seperate rooms did't they? why did she forgive him? her reason was she wanted to prove to anshuman that tanya was not the right girl for him..so what about now hasn't tanya cause all this heartache...?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#13
Agree, that's why any 3rd person can cause problems between him and his family members, be it Ayaan and Pakhi
he has started to trust, but whether he can trust unconditionally is still to be seen...
his unconditional trust without any queries of proof will be the way to Pakhi's forgiveness😳
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Posted: 11 years ago
#14

Originally posted by: LadyZaib



BUT BUT BUT we all accused and came down like hell on anshuman when don't forget they had seperate rooms did't they? why did she forgive him? her reason was she wanted to prove to anshuman that tanya was not the right girl for him..so what about now hasn't tanya cause all this heartache...?


i guess in earlier episodes no matter what Tanya did, Anshuman never pointed fingers directly to Pakhi, he always said that Pakhi was too good... before he would trust her with his life and son, but when he fell in love all his trust vanished
Being called characterless and unfaithful, raising fingers at her motherly love for Ayaan, actually Anshuman pointed fingers at everything nice she ever did
From Pakhi's POV Anshuman never trusted her, that's why she left...
Remember Girish had once said that for a marriage to work, one needs 3 things: Respect, Trust and love...
Without trust, there's no respect and without respect and trust, love is meaningless.
I guess our Pakhi feels same, hence her stance on this issue...\
It's not her forgiveness which Anshuman needs to get, but her trust back in their relationship i feel...
well only my views😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#15
but most important, no1 is perfect...
Like Anshuman isnt perfect, even Pakhi isnt perfect😊
they are both human beings, deeply entangled in their views, egos, prides and disillusions
That's why both seem real and i like this show😉
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Posted: 11 years ago
#16

Originally posted by: LadyZaib



BUT BUT BUT we all accused and came down like hell on anshuman when don't forget they had seperate rooms did't they? why did she forgive him? her reason was she wanted to prove to anshuman that tanya was not the right girl for him..so what about now hasn't tanya cause all this heartache...?


Well, they didnt have seperate rooms, the receptionist said that Mr. Anshuman Rathore and Mrs. Rathore were staying in room no. x. Aray yar mujhe itna kyu yaad hey? She forgave him by coming back and realizing that Anshuman was truly sorry for what he did, remember the terrace scene, where he asked dearly for Pakhi's apology by screaming out in the open. Whatever her reason maybe, she faced the same situation, and took it more rather calmly and respectfully.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#17
@ladyzaib,
Hug right back...

All of saratchandra's heroes are flawed, egoistic men... :) I love them.

Exactly, if I were Anshuman, I would easily accuse Paakhi of doing everything just to win my love and affection. I am not saying Paakhi did that, but just saying that it is so easy to assume that Paakhi did this to win him... and impress him that HEY I AM PERFECT FOR YOU...

How strange is it that when we judge ourselves we judge by intention (I did not intend to do this...) but others by results (You did it, damn you!)... It is easy to say Anshuman should do this or do that, but to think what would you have done if you were in his place... that is the tough spot. I can easily see that everyone can get into Paakhi's shoes right now, but what would you do if you were in Anshu's shoes?

I am glad that after the beating, he goes back and respects Paakhi's decision to call of this relationship. Atleast, he has done everything in his power to tell her that he is wrong and ready to rectify his mistake.

I for one am also not an advocate of BECAUSE PAAKHI DID THIS FOR HIM... No, Paakhi did it for them, first thing. And, even Anshuman did a lot for her, even when he did not want "them". Relationships are not mathematics, ki tum itna karo, main itna karungi... And, if you start doing hisaab kitaab, that because I went through this much you also go through it all before I forgive you... then, where was the love?

Yes, lets hide, because people will beat us up. What I am repeating here is that I understand Paakhi is hurt. I really sympathesize with her. I just dont align with her reaction - or decision to not even hear anshuman out. She can hear him out properly, give him a chance to prove himself, and if not convinced tab ki tab... but for now she is totally unapproachable. And, in real life, yes, this would mean end of story.


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Posted: 11 years ago
#18
I am actually a bit appalled at Lavanya and Girish too. Girish was all about lecturing Anshuman about what he should do. But then, why is he not making an effort to go put some sense to Paakhi now? In real world, if this was happening, and they knew that Anshuman's the one who accused Paakhi incorrectly - they would still go and tell Paakhi that she should give him a chance, instead of letting the chips fall as they may. After all if Girish deserves forgiveness after cheating on Lavanya (drunk is not an excuse in my book) and bringing home a Naina... if Lavanya deserves forgiveness after cheating on Girish on purpose to make him jealous and almost ready to sleep with another man... Why doesn't Anshuman. Why are Girish and Lavanya atleast not trying to tell Paakhi, that hey for a change, you are being too ... (I better not say it!)
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Posted: 11 years ago
#19

Originally posted by: monaco

I am actually a bit appalled at Lavanya and Girish too. Girish was all about lecturing Anshuman about what he should do. But then, why is he not making an effort to go put some sense to Paakhi now? In real world, if this was happening, and they knew that Anshuman's the one who accused Paakhi incorrectly - they would still go and tell Paakhi that she should give him a chance, instead of letting the chips fall as they may. After all if Girish deserves forgiveness after cheating on Lavanya (drunk is not an excuse in my book) and bringing home a Naina... if Lavanya deserves forgiveness after cheating on Girish on purpose to make him jealous and almost ready to sleep with another man... Why doesn't Anshuman. Why are Girish and Lavanya atleast not trying to tell Paakhi, that hey for a change, you are being too ... (I better not say it!)


I dont think that a 3rd person can really convince the people in a relationship to change something. To sort out the problems within a relationships, only the people within the relationship can solve it. Here, only Anshuman and Pakhi have the ability to sort out there relationship. A 3rd person cannot influence them, no matter how hard they try, because in the end it's up the the person within the relationship whether to accept or reject the other person.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#20
Overall, what I am trying to say is, the whole problem that Anshuman has is that he does not believe in trust that mutually exists in a relationship. He always puts greater emphasis on what's before his eyes. He needs to stop giving in too easily to what's before his eyes. The day he realizes that relationships are built upon trust and he stops believing on what's placed before him in an instant, he'll be able to win Pakhi back.

So what are your thoughts?

BASICALLY - Anshuman needs to learn the trust aspect of a relationship, and what it actually means.)

Agrre with you , if we look at Anshuman from the starting trust factor was not in his dictionary . He is practical person , believed what was before his eyes . Steadily Pakhi brought some changes in his outlook to look at the things but his childhood incident effected his trust factor .
This book might be written may be in early 1900 , Value of that time and now has taken 360 degree turn . Its quite difficult for the makers now to bring some changes but keeping the essence of the book intact . Look at Gulzar,s Izaazat with Rakha or many directors of that time , Rashikesh Mukharjee,s movies . Wman characters were strong . Talking about her 18 years wait then there is another of Sharat,s book turned in to Movie . Khushboo. Its treat to watch the sensitivity of the characters where male characters are flawed . Now People are not interested in literature , more interested in overdramatised , sensationalism .
Still people remember the shows when this TRP was not invented and writers have freedom to give wings to their imagination .


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