Why was Yug Vrinda love story shown? - Page 2

You know we are just arguing as the creatives are inconsistent in their sketching of the characters. They have just spoiled Yug's character by trying to emphasise through Yug how he realised now that he loves Bharti. If creatives have sketched Yug's character, the way Shabs is telling, it would have been the best. That whatever decisions he is taking, it only for the well being of his love Vrinda. But the fact is creatives are trying to show that Yug is trying to convince Bharti of his love for her, by doing certain things, which are very opposite to his basic nature. Neetu is right also, that a person's basic nature can never change. I have myself seen people who have stayed single when they lost their true love or their so called true love ditched them and married someone else.

Originally posted by: shab_rules

i understand where your coming from hun, and i do agree with parts, but i still disagree with some. i totally love debating with you tho !😆

Okay, so when I said 'inconsistent' I was referring to his nature when he first met Vrinda vs. what he is now. Have you noticed how he use to be so very proactive? If there was a problem, Yug would find a solution to it. No matter what it was, he was confident enough in himself to figure out a way. Moreover, he was never afraid to speak his mind when he felt that something was not right. For instance, in one episode, he stood up to Vrinda's mom for treating her so badly in front of the entire family...he called her out on her bad behaviour. As a result, Vrinda's mom realized her mistake and started loving her daughter. In this way, we had seen Yug as someone who stood up for what was right....whether it is for Vrinda...for his love against his family or what not. He always was confident enough to do the right thing. You may argue that he did all of that FOR VRINDA...but lest not forget, you cannot do anything for someone else unless you have those characteristics...that ability...that confidence....to stand up to others. Love does not create that confidence...it only fosters what is already within you. Yet, nowadays...that confidence...that ability...that spark that made Yug...Yug is absent. Instead, we are shown a docile man....a identical image of Vrinda...the girl who took her marriage pheras like a robot....Yug has become a robot who does other people's bidding. In this way, his character is no longer consistent. Now, again, you may argue that life changes a person...breaks you down, especially in this case...where he has lost his love. But I would like to point out that this change started happening around the same time that BHARTI started Brain-washing Yug...telling him that RB loves Vrinda and he should not come between them (this was when RB was trying to get yuvi together). Slowly but surely, we started seeing Yug change. He became a guy who FOLLOWED rather than LED....in this way, Yug's character started to become inconsistent to his true nature. I know other people's opinions and life iteself has an influence on an individual, but the true nature of a person...the very soul of a person cannot be changed so radically as Yug's has been changed.

i agree somewhat with you hun. but when yug first met vrinda, both he and she were free agents. they hadnt gone thru any of this hell. and yes yug was sooo brave and couragous and rebellious that he took vrinda by the hand and went to confront parminder in front of the whole family. he stood up for what he belived. but if you remember hun, only last week yug did something very similar. he went and put sushma and sasu ma in their place by giving them a good earful. he stood upto them. that just shows you that yug hasnt really changed all that much. the old yug is still in there. and if life had treated any of us the same way it has treated him, we wouldnt be all that jolly and full of spirit either hun ! how can you expect yug to be exactly the same as he was before vrinda got married??? sometimes the best of soldiers loose their spirit and soul when they are hit by a tragedy hun. doent mean they have become inconsistent tho !

A soldier may 'lose' his spirit but it is never completely gone. It is but only a temporary loss. I believe that someone can temporary dampen your spirit...whether it is an individual or circumstances but you only need one spark to bring it back again. What I find a great big issue with this new Yug is that he has become completely lifeless. Nothing and I mean nothing is bringing that spark back. You may argue that we saw a glimpse of that old Yug when he stood up to sushma and sasu ma but that spark was no where near his confrontation with Vrinda's mom. There Vrinda also told him to keep quiet but he stood his ground and put that lady in her place. Here, Sushma shut him up by saying 'I don't think an outsider should interefere in our family' and that was even before Vrinda told Yug to go. In the old confrontation, the whole family tried to get Yug calmed down but he still continued on the path that he thought was right...which was to make Vrinda's mom realize her mistake. I know that everything in our life leaves an impact....and I don't expect him to be the same jolly guy....what I do expect from him is to know when it is enough....to know that there is no need to take this cra* from Vrinda....BECAUSE SHE ISN'T RIGHT.

I believe I did say that...and I stand by it. But I also believe that there is a very fine line between TRUE LOVE and simply being stupid.😆

😆, lol, i actually dont think there is any line between stupidity and true love. i would say true love is just another type of stupidity actually. because if it wasnt, lovers wouldnt be ready to give their life so easliy for one another. where one person would say comitting suicide for another is absolutly stupid, another would say that is true love !

Giving up your life for someone worthwhile is commendable....giving up your life for something that is right is commendable...but giving up your life for someone who would not even blink is being truly unfair to yourself. That is pure insantity....perhaps, even a far cry from simple stupidity.

True love is something that is worth fighting for but in any relationship....there are two people. If both of you are not fighting for the same cause but in opposite directions, you will never achieve success. In that instant, it is no longer true love. Yug may still love Vrinda but she has changed in her affections. By definition, their relationship is no longer TRUE LOVE but a one-sided relationship.

so basically what youve just implied hun is that TRUE LOVE is only that, that is two sided. so this means. if your love is not recipricated, what you feel for the other person is not true love at all !

😆 all those people in the world who will never be loved back are just infatuating are they??, coz they arent really in love ! im sorry but i dont believe that. yes vrinda no longer loves yug. i doubt if she ever really did. but yug has, and probably allways will. and just because she doesnt feel the same does not mean what he feels is not true love. that was really hurtful hun.

Sorry if I hurt you Shab....that was not my intention. I can understand that there are countless people in this world who are presenting in love with someone who does not reciprocate their feelings. But that does not necessarily mean that all of those one-sided feelings are actually "TRUE LOVE"....it may be a crush as well. You cannot generalize and say that all those are TRUE LOVE intstances. What I was trying to get across...my main point, per say....was that Yug and Vrinda are both fighting for the opposite thing. At one time, they were both trying to reunite but now Vrinda is trying to pull away while Yug is still holding on. HERE, I'm not refuting that Yug loves her still...what I am saying is that now it has become a one-sided relationship and no matter how much Yug tries to show how much he cares for her well-being but will never act on his feelings....his actions will always be considered suspicious. His own love looked on him with suspicion when he did not ONCE act on his feelings. The one person who hope would understand you doesn't....then, its time to think about yourself. No, that would not make you selfish because you gave it your 110% but it was not enough. At some point, you have to walk away...ESPECIALLY when that very person is doing you more harm while you have nothing but the desire to make their life better.

Yug needed to wake up and question whether all the sacrifices he was making for Vrinda were actually deserved by her?

see thats the thing hun. when you love some one, you dont measure up wether they actually deserve to be loved, or wether they deserve for you to make sacrifices for them, you simply do it, because you love them. there are countless people in the world, horrible parents, greedy siblings, ungrateful freinds, yet they are still loved by their close ones. and those close ones may know how awful these people are, but still they go out of their way to do nice things for them, because they care, because they love !!! if people just stopped caring for others by counting how deserving and undeserving they are, this world would have collapsed a long time ago. yes, vrinda is a heartless cow, im the first to say it. she is undeserving of yugs love. but yug cant help the way he feels. and if he continues to love her, regardless of her being ungrateful, then so be it ! true love is unconditional hun. just because the conditions of yuvis realtionship have changed, doesnt mean now yug should automatically stop loving vrinda !

Okay, again I made my comments from a logically point of view. I understand that when we love someone we do so whether they are deserving of our love or not. It is unconditional but hun...nothing in this world is PURELY unconditional. For example, Vrinda loved her mother yet she treated her daughter horribly. Let's use this instance as an example of unconditional love. If it was truly "UNCONDITIONAL" then Vrinda would NEVER question why her mother does not return her feelings....because her feelings would not be contingent about whether they are returned by her mother or not. Yet, she did question it. Human beings need their feelings to be returned...it is a part of who we are. You can take another example...a baby needs his mother to show love towards him/her. If that love is absent, the baby will have the avoidance tendencies....their will be no mother-baby bond which is crucial to normal development. I know I'M giving a lot of family examples here😆 so let me return to Yug and this idea of love. Yug has done a lot for her and never expected anything...he even voiced that to her at one time in the serial. His love is unconditonal in a way but it is not realistic. You always say that I'm an idealist😆 but in saying that True love is unconditional...it seems you have also adopted that view. I like to look at things with a grain of salt. Let me explain with this example: At some point in everyone's life we've all had crushes...whether it is for a celebrity or some person we meet and get to know....but now think for a second that you TRULY LOVED this person...unconditionally. But what if that person absolutely horrid towards you...someone like VRinda😆...at one point, you may sit there and wonder: Exactly, what did I see in this person? An individual who does not even know how to show respect or even to respect my feelings? I mean I can understand that they don't have to love me but they can at least respect the fact that I love them....yet, they don't even respect that." In that moment, it does not mean that your love was never unconditonal but merely that your love has now moved from unconditional to a realistic one. You realize that this person who cannot even understand your feelings....why do they deserve your love?

There's an old saying: "TRICK ME ONCE SHAME ON YOU, TRICK ME TWICE SHAME ON ME".

😆, thats one of my fav sayings actually !

It so applies to Yug, yaar😆

Basically, its okay to fall for Vrinda's manipulative nature once...in that he married Bharti for her happiness...but there has to be a point where you hold up your hands and just say "ENOUGH". Where does it end if not here? Will she dictate the rest of his life? How long will he sacrifice his own happiness all for this false sense of TRUE LOVE? When will he allow himself to think for himself? One should not be blinded by one's feelings and emotions to the point where you don't see the truth that's right in front of you. The truth here is that Vrinda knows she can manipulate him...and she is taking full advantage of that. She's bullying him into submission. And only he can put an end to it. If he doesn't tell her to stop now...things will continue to get worse. She will continue to act as an oppressor who uses emotional blackmail while Yug will continue to be oppressed. What's next yaar? Will she force him to breed as well? Produce heirs all for her sake and the happiness of his family? What is the limit? True love without limit is dangerous for it borders on misuse by one partner over the other.

i never said what vrinda is doing to yug is good ! i agree she is manipulating him. vrinda is a manipulative, greedy, selfish, heartless, blind, waste of a person. and is probably the most inconsistent charachter i have EVER seen, but we are not talking about her, we're discussing yug here ! and the point is, after all she has done to him, he continues to love her, and because of that love he will do anything she says !

Nahin yaar, I did not say that you argued that what Vrinda is doing to Yug is good. This was merely me trying to explain my point of view. What I was trying to say here is that IF he listens to her AGAIN...he is simply continuing on this never-ending requests that she will make of him. It isn't right to do so, but she has no problem asking all these things from him. What I wanted from him was to put an end to it....because if he didn't...if he simply accepted what she wanted each and everytime all in this notion of LOVE...he is continuing to feed an oppressor...the one who will continue to make demands of him in the future. Not to mention, he is implying that it is okay for her to MAKE SUCH demands of other people.

Again, I compared Yug to Vrinda in terms of his docile nature. In terms of Bharti, what bugs me the most is that again...Yug has let Vrinda dictate WHEN he accepts Bharti. He did not follow his own reasoning but hers....her mind was followed over his own logic. I would hate his character less if he had chosen to move on from Vrinda on his own.

omg i cant believe you sed that ! if yug had moved on by himself, and fallen in love with bharti, then what difference would there be between him and vrinda ?????

he would have done exactly what vrinda did. then he really would have been incosisent ! you guys complained like hell that vrinda just suddenly accepted rb, and if yug had just blatently accepted bharti, then you would have liked that ??? he is only doing it now coz of his love for vrinda, there is nothing other that would have changed his mind, nothing else that he would have bowed down too. he staying true to his charachter, and you guys are complaining !

The difference would still be there between him and Vrinda as follows: YUG fought for his love...he waited for Vrinda to come back to him by giving into this 6 month thing. But Vrinda chose RB over Yug the day she ran after the bus. The fact that she has only recently slept with her husband does not signify her TRUE ACCEPTANCE...it is merely the end result of the ACCEPTANCE she made in running after him. The conclusion per say. Vrinda accepted in merely 2 months time. Yug has spent 6 years with Bharti. There's the difference. Yug would never have accepted Bharti if Vrinda and stayed with him at the Mandir. Even after 6 years, his acceptance of her would not be one of OBLIGATION (as Vrinda's was because she accepted RB because he was a 'good husband') but rather because he truly wanted to accept her. It would surely have been better than being bullied into it by Vrinda yet again! You keep on stressing this point that his love for vrinda is what drives him to do is bidding but yaar...loook at the world around. How many ppl do that in real life? And just because they don't do everything that their ex-lover tells them to doesn't mean that they never loved that person...that wasn't true love for them. It simply shows that they know how to distinguish TRUE LOVE from 'I'm totally being taken advantage here....my love is totally being misused against me here.' That is what Yug is lacking.

If only ONCE he had stood up to her and told her to but out...to let him make his own decisions as a grown man should...as he is free to do so. Yet, in giving into her request...all for the sake of TRUE LOVE...this sacrifice went against his very right of FREE WILL...right to choose. Not to mention, even if he does do right by Bharti now...she will always have to live with the fact that Yug's EX GAVE her the rights of a wife...that Yug didn't give that to her out of his own free will or choice, but rather because he was forced to do so. I believe in one episode (right after the leap when Bharti and Yug are shown), she says that she wants the rights of a wife but only when Yug is ready to do so out of his own free will. Yet, here, the character of Yug is willing to give these rights only because he is pushed into it...how is it fair to her? And how r the writers being consistent in this area to what was said by Bharti earlier?

offcourse we say that bharti will allways think yug was pushed into accepting her. but knowing bharti, she probably wont care and will just be too happy that yug atleast is giving her attention. and yes, offcopurse the writers did this, they are the kings of inconsistency !

We agree here yaar.

Again, I will put forth the question, where is the limit? Love can demand a lot of things from you but not all things are within our ability to grant nor deemed by fate for us to grant. By foolishly giving that person the right to command you at will is signing away a death sentence...especially when that person is sure to not love you in the same way that you love them. If their love is lacking, then it is only one-sided true love and in that case, it is YOUR RESPONSIBILTY to think logically and protect yourself.

that is a very good question hun. where is the limit ?? but maybe there isnt, i belive true love is selfless ! you really dont think about yourself AT ALL. wich i know is very bad for yourself, because it means you will get trampled on, but then it wouldnt be defined TRUE LOVE would it, if you kept looking out for yourself ! you cant protect yourself and be called a true lover aswel lol. true love is all about sacrifice and giving for others !

This is an old notion. I don't believe that it can't be defined as TRUE LOVE if for once you stand up for yourself. In a relationship, you want your partner to be confident enough in himself/herself to stand up for their self when there is a need rather than always agreeing with you. And no, it doesn't mean that they look out for only their self-interests. Rather, it means that they know where to draw the line. Every relationship has its limitations because if you don't establish those then you don't know how far you can go. Limitations ensure that we don't just wake up one day and realize how truly broken we are. "True love" does not mean that it is wrong to have these limits. A true lover would understand and even respect you more if they realize that despite loving them, you still have the courage to stand up to them when you THINK they are in the wrong.

I disagree here...I think it took no guts at all to stand there and take her bullsh**. What would have taken guts would have been if he had put her in her place DESPITE BEING IN LOVE WITH HER! Do you know how hard it is to be in love with someone and still find it within yourself to point out that person's weakness?

that is a good point, and yes that would have tooken guts to do also. but i still stay stuck by what i sed. what yug did is not something any person could do either hun. there are two sides to every story hun, and the way i see it what he did was stupid, very stupid, but courageous !

I guess we will have to agree to disagree here😆...for I would have done the other.

It takes a lot more confidence and guts to do that because your love for them would prevent you from taking that step. Your love for them would prevent you from hurting them and yet you still stand up to them and say....'No! You're wrong here....and its because I love you that I want to point it out to you because no one can be honest with you like I can...no one can look you in the eye and tell you your weak points while still hurting at the same time in their heart for putting you down'....THAT TAKES MORE COURAGE. Keeping silent doesn't for its easy to do. I know that you have to stand there and silently observe the words that are incorrect...but standing up is far more difficult...especially when your standing up against the person that means the very world to you. I agree that in love you wish to see the other person happy but in this life...where love is important...you have a responsibilty to yourself as well. For in this entire world, there is only one person who will stand up for you....and that is ONLY YOU.

yes but as i sed before, yug is selfless and so is true love. i know that sucks big time, but who said true love was an easy happy ride.

No one said true love is an easy ride...no relationship ever is whether it is true love or another. Yet, plz don't confuse unselfishness and true love. They are not one and the same thing. Standing up for yourself when you know the other person is misusing you DOES NOT mean that you are not in love with them...that it is not TRUE LOVE. You can still be unselfish and do a a lot of things for the other person YET still stand up for yourself when you need to be your own hero. It is not wrong to do this.

And if you don't allow yourself that freedom....if you allow others to walk all over you....whether it is for the sake of love or what not....if you sacrifice it all for love....tell me this, when is it your turn? Who will stand up for ? Your well-being...ur right? The fundamental fight in this world is for the right of self...yet, here we have no problem accepting the fact that Yug refuses to fight this battle. He refuses to choose himself over her for once. Why shouldn't he? He deserves to put himself first this time especially since what is being asked of him is something that is against his very nature...he has sacrificed a lot for his family and his so-called lover who didn't think twice about deserting him. Now, it is his turn. I would not consider him selfish if the 'OLD YUG' came back and stood up for what was right. The Yug from the past who use to be Vrinda's 'Knight-in-shinning-armour' deserves to rise again....the only difference being that this time he would stand up for himself. Defend his RIGHT...his wants....what he deserves.

what yug wants, is to be with vrinda, what yug deserves is to have vrinda love him back the way he loves her, but since both of those things are impossible hun, how can he possibbly stand up for himself ?? thats what you guys are not understanding !

Since he can't have those things....why does he have to take this cra* from her? Just because he can't be with her does not mean that he has to also give her the right to put him down every moment she gets. THAT IS what I meant when I said that he needs to stand up to her. It is time he does that...here and now.

...and put an end to the endless demands made of him by all these selfish people around him. ONLY THEN, would he return to the old consistent Yug....

well the old yug may not be visiable on the outside because of all the tragic misshaps that have occoured, but doesnt mean he isnt there hun. and as long as his love remains constant, he is allways inconsistent !

I don't think he is there anymore Shab. Sorry to disagree with you but if even a part of him still remained...we would see a reflection of that on the outside...not saying always....but a glimpse at least once in a while. Yet, there is none.

and remeber hun, true love is anything BUT ideal !

Don't I know it😆...but I wasn't talking about an ideal love. I was talking about a realistic one here...the one that actually understands when someone is taking advantage of his goodness.


Luved our debate hun🤗xoxo

neetu,when u made the topic regarding,is yug another vrinda?-i disagreed with u in the same point.i think it's totally more than foolishness to compare yug's love with vrinda.

now what we mean by consistency?just see,a boy who was very jolly,funny,naughty,always smiling,joking ,full of life becomes sad,hopeless,frusteted,robotty after his love left him.can we actually say that this boy is inconsistant and he has changed?happiness and sorrow comes in our life and we sometimes become happy and sometimes sad.it doesn't mean we r inconsistant.

Originally posted by: urmee

neetu,when u made the topic regarding,is yug another vrinda?-i disagreed with u in the same point.i think it's totally more than foolishness to compare yug's love with vrinda.

Oh yaar, I don't know why you guys are thinking I'm comparing Yug's LOVE with that of Vrinda. I'm not comparing their love at all, for WE all know that Yug's love would win. As for the other topic...that was a completely different thing that has no relevance here nah...in this topic, I was discussing his consistency not whether he is another Vrinda. Let's leave that discussion to the aforementioned topic that was created ages ago.

now what we mean by consistency?just see,a boy who was very jolly,funny,naughty,always smiling,joking ,full of life becomes sad,hopeless,frusteted,robotty after his love left him.can we actually say that this boy is inconsistant and he has changed?happiness and sorrow comes in our life and we sometimes become happy and sometimes sad.it doesn't mean we r inconsistant.

When I say consistency...I have stressed this many times....I KNOW it is not fair to expect him to be the same jolly, funny, etc. guy again. I don't expect that at all. WHAT I EXPECT is that he is consistent in the sense that he stands for what is RIGHT. The fact that he has lost sight of that...lost sight of when to stand up for himself...as he use to for others (i.e. Sharad, Vrinda, etc.)...is what I'm having problems with. Not the fact that I miss that naughty guy but rather I miss the guy who knew how to fight for what was right. In this particular case, he should have fought for his right to CHOOSE rather than simply standing there silently and letting Vrinda tell him how to live his life.

if yug was another vrinda he would forget vrinda the day she left him.then there was no question to marry bharti.yug married to bharti not bcoz he is another vrinda but bcoz he's not like vrinda.he has to marry bharti only bcoz he loves vrinda.

Again, the discussion of Yug being another Vrinda is irrelevant to the present discussion. What your talking about is related to the other post....

we can't say yug has changed in charecter but we can easily say vrinda has changed.this is clear that she has not even 0% feelings for yug.the guy who loved her more than the world,who faught for him against everybody and everything,who changed her sad life in a happy one,who changed her tears into smile.........is now totally out of her heart.that's we can call a huge change and inconsistancy that she's now madly in love with rb.so,there is a huge difference bitween yug's change and vrinda's change.

Here, I agree wtih your comments on Vrinda...but not about Yug.

even now if he accepted bharti bcoz of what we r blaming him ,it's only for vrinda.i know he should not listen vrinda but how it's possible when he is madly love with vrinda?

u can say it's one's personal matter to love and remember one.yug can easily live with his love and memory of vrinda.but vrinda made him to realise that it's now like a big crime to love her and keep her in yug's heart.she said -"tumne apne dil main abhi bhi mujhe rakke mera majak uraya.mujhe apni hi nazro main gida diya."after hearing those words from vrinda what can yug do xcept accpting bharti?now bcoz of vrinda's lecture he is thinking it will be a crime to keep vrinda in his mind.

But that's my point yaar...why is he letting Vrinda dictate what he should or should not think? The OLD YUG would think for himself rather than simply following what other people say. Didn't he demonstrate that when he CHOSE to forgive Vrinda's Father for killing his dad rather than simply FOLLOWING his grandfather who wanted him to hate Vrinda's family for what happened in the past. In losing the ability to think for himself, he has become inconsistent to the OLD YUG.

but still we can say yug loves vrinda.and this love will never end.ya,now what he's doing is caring his wife.giving him the right of a wife,making his life happy with bharti,forgetting all old memory.that's all.even if he say he loves bharti,there is a huge difference bitween his love for vrinda and love for bharti.

Again, I wasn't arguing about whether he does or doesn't love Vrinda. I already agree that he loves her very much....I was pointing out his change of character...his inconsistency in the fact that he is unable to do what is right....to stand up for what is right...which is his freedom to live his life on his own terms.

so,we can't compare yug with vrinda only bcoz he has accepted bharti.

Again....I WASN'T trying to compare Yug with Vrinda or their love....plz read above.