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Posted: 17 years ago
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BTW..just have to add that I don't think Prem is regretting choosing Heer..no he's not that weak..I am 1000% sure that he is not regretting that. He has till now always stood by her in front of taklu and it takes guts to know that your dad would accept you with open arms in a heartbeat but not with your love and still stand by her.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Hi Jedi,

Welcome back to the forum and i am glad you chose my post as your comeback πŸ˜‰ now I respect what you wrote however as with other members i beg to differ 😊 why?

1. Prem remained quiet on his love. He had previously chosen to sacrifice himself because of his Dad. He found out the truth about Prashant but he didn't shout it from the roofs. He did what he did quietly, without wishing anything in return. But when his love did come out( which had to given the circumstances in which the video thingy was shown)and was being humiliated and tortured by Dj, how could he have stayed quiet?? Nobody in his place would have watched that scene and not do anything. At this point, he knew that protecting her was the most important thing of all. Not the wrath of his father!


Prem remained quiet on his love???????????when???he confessed his love to heer, then he ordered her not to marry madmeet, and he only confessed after the cd fiasco...so that is not being quiet...I loved the fact that he didnt worry about dad's wrath but then there was no other way....he was still ready to marry ashlesha it was her who said no...no technically if she would have said yes, we wont be talking about prem and heer....again after ash said no he went on about love which i loved....so by this time he knew dad is angry and then he takes heer with him..wchih again is great but why sad ALL the time???????

2.Gosh I don't understand what even means. ' Be a man' ?? Sorry to put this a bit in such a frank manner: we're not in the stone age here. Prem is a human being with feelings. I saw your reply to the other members who put forward the fact that he's a human being with emotions. To reply to that I would ask you one question. How would you react after your father publicly humiliated you and constantly said that he doesn't consider you as his son anymore? That hurts a lot specially when the two of them were so close. So how can he not cry??

What i mean is why cry ALL the time????lets see except those 2-3premeer scenes he is shown crying and sad all the time....my dad would never humiliate me publicily coz he is not weird but even if he is angry i would give him space....let him think....prem knew how lallu felt at the awards when he spoke to the reporters and then not wanting to sit at the table....yes very very very sad and hurtfull...then he put oil to fire by bringing heer to the table and then he EXPECTS his dad to give him blessings?????????? yes no doubt he is human with feelings but this is human who is also impulsive...prem knows his dad is very angry at him...so why is he giving him more reasons to be angry...why not think for a change and then take actions???why so quick and rash????yes we are not in stone age but neither are we in 16th century where dad was a person's whole world....and again i think this is a real creepy love between father and son...

3.A brat?? Seriously, Prem is an independent guy who takes care of everybody! When did you see him cry for no reason? After having been pushed away by his father and that too so ruthlessly how could he be not affected? He cries, so what? He does it because he's torn between his father and his love. You can't expect him to throw away the relationship he has had with his dad or ignore Heer. Both are integral parts of him. In life, there's no absolute. Both sides must be conciled for Prem to be happy.

I think i am repeating myself here but my point is why is he crying SO much?????no one is denying his love for dad and how it affected him but that shouldnt consume your night and day...only when he is with heer he is okay otherwise he walks around town with that sad mopy look....if he is torn between his father and love...he KNEW this would happen....heer was caught off guard prem knew this is the way dad would react...well the shradh bit was OTT but otherwise the indication were all towards lallu going psycho...we all have reasons to cry some times but we dont walk around town with that sadness...i am not as strong as prem i admit but even I dont carry on like him on the streets...

4.I don't watch too many shows but I have seen enough to say that Prem is a good son and human being. Throughout the show, everything that he has done, he's done it for the happiness of others. He works for the family, he chose to marry someone else to please his father, he protects his siblings, he protects people he doesn't even know, he cares about the pain and joy of everybody, he's courageous and independent. Sure, Prem is not perfect, nobody is. But there is no one I see who comes closer to being an ideal son, brother and beloved

But thats the point, why does he have to be even close to perfect???why cant he be a normal mature human being with feelings and emotions????why does he have to please everyone ALL the time..he tries to do that and ends up hurting almost everyone...why not be honest and just tell dad the truth????your opinion is very valued and i take it all in good fun but i dont agree with it..........no one has to be perfect...he can or could have told dad that he has reasons to be there instead of letting dad drag him around like a rag doll...is that your defination of perfection????? he could have sat down and explained to lallu his actions instead he creates public scenes....is that your defination of ideal???? i guess in that case.....prem is perfect...

Sorry if i hurt your feelings but i stated mine


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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Power20

Hmm..my god..such fireworks on the forum itself πŸ˜ƒ

Ok..my POV...I agree with both the parties so hear me out.

Prem is being human..he would miss his family..heck, I got emotional talking to my dad on the phone when he went to Shirdi for 2 days lol..and Prem here idolized the taklu..dunno why though πŸ˜• 🀒 so he's bound to miss him and all the insults are not helping either.

But I have to admit..Prem is crying a hell of a lot..I seriously wanted to get into the screen, smack him and ask "Where the hell is your self respect boy? Why do you keep listening to taklu's trash? Why didn't you just walk out of the hotel when he started dragging you?"

Look, I love my dad but I wouldn't have tolerated the "drag him out of the hotel" & the after shouting part..NEVER, I would have freed my hand and left myself..Prem let himself dragged like a rag doll. I lost a little respect for Prem right there. He LETS Lallu treat him like shit and gets teary about it. When he SHOULD BE FEELING INDIGNANT. HE should be thinking "How could dad treat me like this? What have I done that he's behaving so extreme with me? I don't deserve this. I DON'T!"

I totally agree with Sylvie about the "Be a man" thing..a Man does have feeling and stuff but he also has self respect. Which Prem is sadly lacking. If his dad said I wanna kick your butt..Prem would say "Ok..which shoe would you like to wear to kick my butt? Shall I polish it?" That's unnatural man. I admit there are nice guys out there..rare but still there and I can guarantee that NO ONE would and should tolerate such things..no matter how much you love your parents.

And the weirdest thing..Prem carrying his dad's pic in his wallet..Lallu looked like a smug goat in that pic 🀒 I am sure that EVERYONE in this forum, loves their dad but do we carry his pic in your purse or wallet? heck no, that's just plain weird..if we were that senti than we would carry both our parents pic in the wallet...why only Lallu? Doesn't Prem love his mom? Doesn't she get even a little credit for his sucess?

So mostly we should stop bashing Prem and start bashing the creatives and writers for making a mess of the story and our beloved Prem. So those were my points..dunno if it made sense. πŸ˜•

Very good points.I completely agree with u.Both parties are somewhat right.

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: Power20

Hmm..my god..such fireworks on the forum itself πŸ˜ƒ

Ok..my POV...I agree with both the parties so hear me out.

Prem is being human..he would miss his family..heck, I got emotional talking to my dad on the phone when he went to Shirdi for 2 days lol..and Prem here idolized the taklu..dunno why though πŸ˜• 🀒 so he's bound to miss him and all the insults are not helping either.

But I have to admit..Prem is crying a hell of a lot..I seriously wanted to get into the screen, smack him and ask "Where the hell is your self respect boy? Why do you keep listening to taklu's trash? Why didn't you just walk out of the hotel when he started dragging you?"

Look, I love my dad but I wouldn't have tolerated the "drag him out of the hotel" & the after shouting part..NEVER, I would have freed my hand and left myself..Prem let himself dragged like a rag doll. I lost a little respect for Prem right there. He LETS Lallu treat him like shit and gets teary about it. When he SHOULD BE FEELING INDIGNANT. HE should be thinking "How could dad treat me like this? What have I done that he's behaving so extreme with me? I don't deserve this. I DON'T!"

I totally agree with Sylvie about the "Be a man" thing..a Man does have feeling and stuff but he also has self respect. Which Prem is sadly lacking. If his dad said I wanna kick your butt..Prem would say "Ok..which shoe would you like to wear to kick my butt? Shall I polish it?" That's unnatural man. I admit there are nice guys out there..rare but still there and I can guarantee that NO ONE would and should tolerate such things..no matter how much you love your parents.

And the weirdest thing..Prem carrying his dad's pic in his wallet..Lallu looked like a smug goat in that pic 🀒 I am sure that EVERYONE in this forum, loves their dad but do we carry his pic in your purse or wallet? heck no, that's just plain weird..if we were that senti than we would carry both our parents pic in the wallet...why only Lallu? Doesn't Prem love his mom? Doesn't she get even a little credit for his sucess?

So mostly we should stop bashing Prem and start bashing the creatives and writers for making a mess of the story and our beloved Prem. So those were my points..dunno if it made sense. πŸ˜•



πŸ‘ πŸ‘ πŸ‘ Thanks hun, you explained it perfectly what I have been trying to say..I am not bashing prem at all but it seems everyone thinks that I am , i am just not getting his character...i agree 100% with you...

I agree he is missing his dad but its the CONSTANT CRYING thats getting on my nerves...I love my dad and have moved out of home only last week but i call home and speak to them every day...now that doest mean i carry on at work and look sad on streets...lallu is useless who is denying that but prem needs to give him space...

Thats what i said...he allowed himself to be dragged like a rag doll πŸ˜† I can gurantee that not one person would allow their father to do that...we all love our dad but the minute my father starts dragging me like you said i would remove my hand..apologise and leave...why is he letting lallu walk all over him?????

You explained "BE A MAN" better than i did but thats what i meant...his dad says jump prem says"is this high enough dad"...lallu says i want to hit you prem says where.......this is weird and not natural....no one will allow their father to do that..i am sure all of us here have had some issues with dad once in their life that doesnt mean we dont love them but whats with this absolute obdience track???

Exactly πŸ‘ it was so so so creepy to see that pic in the wallet....i was flabergasted....and shocked...my cousin said should there be heer's pic's???thats what i mean why not both pics of mom and dad why just dad's?????so mom is not that important huh???he is not close to mom only to dad????that is one creepy love between father son...

But as you said creatives needs to think and change prem a bit...make him say something to daddy instead of taking all the shit heaved on him...
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: sidrah fariq


<br><span>I wanted to ignore these posts and run away for a while coz the kind of Prem bashing going n here doesnt make sense. And let me get this straight. I dont support anyone blindli for tht matter. If ever Prem is rong, i will be the first one to criticise him...............</span><br><span>If "Strong" means not missing ur folks, not yearning for them, and not feeling miserable especiali after they declare u dead and throw u out in front of umpteen people, then yes Prem is not strong. To tell ya the truth, i dont want him to turn tht strong, that would not be the perfect Prem, I liked in the first place. If Prem is who he is, then he is bound to get upset wid what his dad just told him... Now dont say that he should turn a blind eye to his famili..if u even have the slightest idea of who he is, den u'd noe tht Prem is a man full of responsibilty. and he can rip apart any shell to fulfill that responsibilty..he cud definitli not see his dad's empire tumbling down while he goes ringa rosing wid heer and fills his bank wallet wid all the moolah.. I'd refuse to buy that as well...</span><br><br><span>Prem made it very clear on the mandap day onli that he stands by Heer and he is living wid it. Btw he had not calculated his dad's actions @ all. if u go rewind the episode bank of kis desh u'd see tht he was shocked to see his dad callin it quits wid him...split milk? lol..he isnt crying over any split milk..he stands by Heer...he has given enough clues to his dad...every time dey have crossed ways wid each odr post prem-lallu separation. he remains firm and adamant on those grounds. He is crying over his lost ones, if u ask me, he was getting over those crude statements thrown in his way over the course of this week...and as i said, i believe its all but natural...Moving on as an easy thing to say bt very difficult to enact actuali ...esp wen this so-called moving on means..."forgettin people u have spent ur life wid"...</span>




Siddy, siddy, siddy....i love this healthy discussions we have 😊

I guess i dont have to say any more...it wont make any difference to either of our opinions...we both have our views and we can respect each other's way of thinking....i know one think for sure though that by next week prem will be back in the house and heer will be crying somewhere...
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Posted: 17 years ago
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I too agrees with every thing you said...and yes Bidaai is a really good show where the story moves at a good pace plus its set in more reality then Kis desh..

and on a side note i noticed u said that its admirable that prem agreed to marry a girl his dad picked even after being raised in Canada...there really isnt anything admirable about it....us NRI are still Indian and still have our culture...i'd say 70% of all my cousins or just ppl i know who are Indian have married the person there parents picked for them...of course the got a say in the matter...so i hope u see that just coz hes raised in canada doesnt make it admirable it makes him normal.....well as normal a person can be in ektas shows....im sorry to bring up this point and hope ur not mad....actually thinking about it...im kinda glad the showed the brothers being decent ppl...thats one thing bidaai didnt do or give u the impression...when they showed that girl who wanted to marry ranbir (sorry cant remember her name) was 1st shown she was shown as having lived in america (i think) and then they showed her smoking...to say that if u are from canada or america or any other place ur automatically a smoker/drinker/slut.

again sorry if what i said upset anyone...and again i totally agree with everyone..bring back the MAN that we once knew as Prem. 😊
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: sylvie_2181

You know everytime since the begining of this show, I have been unsure of the track, unsure of the title and unsure of my own commitment of watching this show till it ends or even for 6months...I can honestly say one thing and that is "Gone down the drain" 😑 last week took my patience, peace of mind,hope for this show....

I watched this show because of prem-heer love and their mind blowinf chemistry and the intensity and last week I got to see lupre(lallu-prem nickname)love story and the pain...I now know that prem is not someone i thought he was...why??

1. Prem decides to marry a girl(HEER) whom daddy chooses, very very admirable considering he was brought up in canada...then that girl supposedly dies and he agrees to marry another girl daddy picked...again very admirable πŸ‘ πŸ‘ then he falls in love with heer, which again is okay..you cant hold your heart...then he decides to act upon that love...now this is where i have an issue...Prem, dear, you are a grown man who is sane and have no disabilities even though mental illness runs in the family 😑

2. You(prem) harrassed that poor heer to her breaking point..you knew dad wont be happy, you knew dad wont approve it, you knew once your love is out heer would be an outcast, you knew that and you knew how it will go.....after all that you choose love!!!!!!!! or i should say were forced to coz you got kicked out of home???anyway all admirable traits but buddy stick to your convictions...be a man and take it..heer has an excuse of being a girl whats your problem????

3. This love between father-son is creepy and really disturbing to watch....the way prem cried over lallu's picture really really was creepy(thats the only word that comes to mind) and if prem is unsure of his deicsion to be with heer..fair enough thats okay...dont let heer in the dark!!!!!!!! that girl has been through a lot an dont add more to her misery...

4. Prem wants to have the cake and eat it too...doesnt work that way...you can either have daddy and can go back to your crib or take heer and be a man!!!!!!!

I say heer marry RR leave prem the crybaby and make a life for yourself.....Ekta, Creatives and BT have lost the plot...its official and we might as well throw the towel and pick another show.........I have started watching the show"Bidaai" and i love the way the story goes so smoothly..you know even they had a raaz but it moved at a decent pace and it connected...it is good to watch this kind of show whereas here in KDMHMD its dragfest, cryfest and connivefest....

Prem is the new crybaby who has cried more than all of the other cries on this show....he cries for daddy, mommy, preet,veera,kulraaj,heer and even meher.....He is NOT IDEAL SON 😑 😑 he is a brat!!!!! I want heer so I had her and now i want dad too but i cant have him coz he hates heer..............Who cares!!!!!!!! I really loved prem and his character now it irritates me and puts me to sleep...

Heer had her reasons for crying which were understandable....prem cries for dad and his lavish life...in K3G SRK left with kajol and i didnt see him crying himself a river????maybe because it was a movie but pleasueeeeeeeee give us a break....we dont like seeing women cry what makes the creatives think we like seeing men cry?????????????????????????

This is my opinion what do you guys think???

Its very hard to accept that everything u said was exactly true now-a-days

I really lost interest in Prem -heer and sometimes the cute seens they show fro heer and prem are good but not able to enjoy them

we think of enjoying the next minute prem is feeling bad and crying

I just thought that ekta is going to make prem cry all the time or what

because firstly prem is crying like a baby here bcz he miss his father and secondly If ever he goes back that will be only bcz of heer and her sacrifise of leaving him and sending him right

and then also he will cry for heer that she married other guy

and then after he knows the truth that his father asked her to give this sacrifice he is going to cry again

so when will he stop crying my goodness what is this ekat doing to prem he is crying more than KKavy in Kavyanjali

And at last sylvie whatever u said was exactly true and ekta has ruined the show for us

now -a -days there is not much happening

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: anita fan

Its very hard to accept that everything u said was exactly true now-a-days

And u need a very bigπŸ‘πŸ‘ for catching some good points that really make sense

I really lost interest in Prem -heer and sometimes the cute seens they show fro heer and prem are good but not able to enjoy them

we think of enjoying the next minute prem is feeling bad and crying

I just thought that ekta is going to make prem cry all the time or what

because firstly prem is crying like a baby here bcz he miss his father and secondly If ever he goes back that will be only bcz of heer and her sacrifise of leaving him and sending him right

and then also he will cry for heer that she married other guy

and then after he knows the truth that his father asked her to give this sacrifice he is going to cry again

so when will he stop crying my goodness what is this ekat doing to prem he is crying more than KKavy in Kavyanjali

And at last sylvie whatever u said was exactly true and ekta has ruined the show for us

now -a -days there is not much happening

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Posted: 17 years ago
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Originally posted by: sylvie_2181



Hi Jedi,

Welcome back to the forum and i am glad you chose my post as your comeback πŸ˜‰ now I respect what you wrote however as with other members i beg to differ 😊 why?


Prem remained quiet on his love???????????when???he confessed his love to heer, then he ordered her not to marry madmeet, and he only confessed after the cd fiasco...so that is not being quiet...I loved the fact that he didnt worry about dad's wrath but then there was no other way....he was still ready to marry ashlesha it was her who said no...no technically if she would have said yes, we wont be talking about prem and heer....again after ash said no he went on about love which i loved....so by this time he knew dad is angry and then he takes heer with him..wchih again is great but why sad ALL the time???????

Of course he was quiet. He didn't run after like a puppy. He didn't do those typical lovey-dovey stuff. To me, that's remaining quiet.

He didn't leave with Heer because Ash said no. He left because he couldn't bear to see Dj hit Heer. That's why he said that people should not think that Heer is alone.


What i mean is why cry ALL the time????lets see except those 2-3premeer scenes he is shown crying and sad all the time....my dad would never humiliate me publicily coz he is not weird but even if he is angry i would give him space....let him think....prem knew how lallu felt at the awards when he spoke to the reporters and then not wanting to sit at the table....yes very very very sad and hurtfull...then he put oil to fire by bringing heer to the table and then he EXPECTS his dad to give him blessings?????????? yes no doubt he is human with feelings but this is human who is also impulsive...prem knows his dad is very angry at him...so why is he giving him more reasons to be angry...why not think for a change and then take actions???why so quick and rash????yes we are not in stone age but neither are we in 16th century where dad was a person's whole world....and again i think this is a real creepy love between father and son...

He wasn't going to leave her standing on the stairs. I think that by taking Heer's hand and making her sit next to him he strengthened his decision and showed that he's going to stick to her through all obstacles. Yes, it did make Lallu uncle angry but maybe it was a necessary step so that the latter doesn't think that Prem has left the house on a whim. All these scenes where he stays with Heer show that he doesn't regret his decision.


I think i am repeating myself here but my point is why is he crying SO much?????no one is denying his love for dad and how it affected him but that shouldnt consume your night and day...only when he is with heer he is okay otherwise he walks around town with that sad mopy look....if he is torn between his father and love...he KNEW this would happen....heer was caught off guard prem knew this is the way dad would react...well the shradh bit was OTT but otherwise the indication were all towards lallu going psycho...we all have reasons to cry some times but we dont walk around town with that sadness...i am not as strong as prem i admit but even I dont carry on like him on the streets...

Yes he is crying a lot but it's for the show. Of course, it makes the episode all depressing but people have their highs and lows. We can't expect Prem to be stoic all the time. He's depressing but he will handle things and he will feel better.

The only thing I agree with you is the exaggeration of the Angry-Lallu scenes and crying scenes. Going on the streets and crying, it is much. It's an exaggerated representation of reality. All the scenes where Lallu does his bedakal acts are too much and so are the crying scenes when there's too much drama. But it's TV so don't take it too seriously. I'm not happy too with his crying but what to do? For the moment, the show's gone to it's depressive mode. But I'm not going to think that Prem is lost. He's still there, only very very sad.


But thats the point, why does he have to be even close to perfect???why cant he be a normal mature human being with feelings and emotions????why does he have to please everyone ALL the time..he tries to do that and ends up hurting almost everyone...why not be honest and just tell dad the truth????your opinion is very valued and i take it all in good fun but i dont agree with it..........no one has to be perfect...he can or could have told dad that he has reasons to be there instead of letting dad drag him around like a rag doll...is that your defination of perfection????? he could have sat down and explained to lallu his actions instead he creates public scenes....is that your defination of ideal???? i guess in that case.....prem is perfect...

Yaar, re-read my words. I said that Prem is NOT perfect but he is a dutiful and good son. He makes mistakes like everyone and if I didn't agree with the way he was handling things I would say it. But I believe that what is happening, although very depressing and annoying, is the course of the show. Lallu uncle is treating Prem very badly and Prem isn't saying anything. Okay, concerning this, we have very different opinions. You don't agree with Prem's silence and I do. What I think is that Prem's personality is one that will never allow him to say anything to his parents( very TV-ish, but what to do).

Sorry if i hurt your feelings but i stated mine Don't worry. I didn't feel hurt but I did want to say what I think. We obviously have very different opinions. The good thing is that we've discussed them and seen both sides of things maturely😊 Now better end this discussion here and both respect each other's views.


Edited by jedi_girl - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Well i love this show...atleast so far...and the point that i agree with you on is the fact that when prem loves heer....he shouldn't have said yes to marry ash....
doesn't he care the least about ash...marrying a girl who u would never be able to do justice with...it would hve been so unfair to her...he should hve stoodup for the right and said no to his dad wen asked about it...
second of all if he wants to obey his dad so bad then why doesn't he keep his love inside his heart...by telling heer he isn't doing any justice either.....he was provoking heer too....he could hve only told about manmeet's truth and kept quiet about his love.....cuz it makes things worse that way...

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