Mistakes in Medical Profession - Page 2

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

No punishment should be measurable to the extent of crime...

Yes.. I believe in such things.as being a guniea pig.. doctors making mistake is nothing to do with it... just cause you can be run over by a car.. we dont stop using  teh road...

I agree with qwert. 
will just add one thing to his first point.  Doctor's intention and number of incidences MUST be taken into consideration 😊.  Evil in uniform deserves harsh punishment. 
Scientists are in charge of clinical trials.  As long as they don't lie to their potential guinne pigs, I see nothing wrong in it.  Ailment / accident can get one at any time.. why not try to make oneself useful?   
I feel sad for those who get targetted and are vulnerable for some drug trials / ovum donation just becos they're poor..   But life is not supposed to be fair.. There are several incidents more unfair than that..

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

I think you are misxing mistakes with negligence... Negligence is punishable by law and is glaringly visible ( right kidney removed instead of left) and invisible (Oh I left the scalpel inside the patiens..😆. Mistakes on the other hand are smaller and less impacting and nature...Oh.. I prescibed the medecine but fogot to ask about allergies.. Now though this is largely imapacting you shouldnt nail the doctor... antidotes can be given instantly..etc.

Wah wah .... kitni aasaani sey palti and introduction of new comer 'Negligence' 😆😆  Negligent mistakes are punishable and non negligent mistakes can be human errs...umm ok😕. Jara original question par phir sey gor pharmaye "Doctors or professionals in health care, have no scope of committing a mistake when it comes to life & death. Right? "  Life and Death impacting are not smaller or less in nature...

Originally posted by: raj5000

Wah wah .... kitni aasaani sey palti and introduction of new comer 'Negligence' 😆😆  Negligent mistakes are punishable and non negligent mistakes can be human errs...umm ok😕. Jara original question par phir sey gor pharmaye "Doctors or professionals in health care, have no scope of committing a mistake when it comes to life & death. Right? "  Life and Death impacting are not smaller or less in nature...

Sure every neurologists take a patient to the OT with only 50 % chance in case of head injury..and there is ample place to make mistakes...making patient paraplegic to other disorders.... nobody would blame him for mistakes in that case - your life and death scenario... ok...no law or medical association can nail them in any possible way which is why the hippocrates oath is in place to make the doctor answerable to their conscience... ok.same holds true for by-pass surgery, meningitis, alll that what u call life threatening...😊..now did you get what I said earlier....!!!????? 😊..

 

Edited by qwertyesque - 16 years ago

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Sure every neurologists take a patient to the OT with only 50 % chance in case of head injury..and there is ample place to make mistakes...making patient paraplegic to other disorders.... nobody would blame him for mistakes in that case - your life and death scenario... ok...no law or medical association can nail them in any possible way which is why the hippocrates oath is in place to make the doctor answerable to their conscience... ok.same holds true for by-pass surgery, meningitis, alll that what u call life threatening...😊..now did you get what I said earlier....!!!????? 😊..

 

I hear yaa, thats the whole point...w/o complicating terms since any attorney can simply turn negligence to mistake and vice versa....in simple terms and most humble way... if a physicians commit mistake that can be considered by most as geninue human err, wats the take.😊 Appreciate responses here.

Originally posted by: raj5000

I hear yaa, thats the whole point...w/o complicating terms since any attorney can simply turn negligence to mistake and vice versa....in simple terms and most humble way... if a physicians commit mistake that can be considered by most as geninue human err, wats the take.😊 Appreciate responses here.

No you cant mistake nelgigence for mistakes but you can argue about that for years😆..you cant debate any mistakes by doctors... apni gardan unke haath mey di hai toh bhugtoh.. whatever u do u are the losing end of the duel....😊

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

No you cant mistake nelgigence for mistakes but you can argue about that for years😆..you cant debate any mistakes by doctors... apni gardan unke haath mey di hai toh bhugtoh.. whatever u do u are the losing end of the duel....😊

One can prove neligence as a mistake and mistake as in neligence depending, which side you are, ok there might be few hard incidents but in general for eg. a doctor diagonising 4th patient of a day with malaria without confirming as his symptons matched the previous 3 proved cases.... (malariya is in syndrome) is neligence...also a heart patient continously complaining pain in nights ..doctor in order to catch on time train says..its normal ... some thing bad happens shear negligence...Vs a doctor writing a precribtion of Antibiotic /B casule to a patient suffering from flu, thats his 30th same prescribtion of the day and it happened sub consiously...he agrees was wrong... In both cases hire a proffy attorney can argue on both side...but why to bring attorney when am simply saying again mistake is mere human err... out of 100...99 will do and understand why is it hard to come to a verdict. 😛  next step  is to sppoint Munna bhai as our Primary Physician 😆😆 kiddin

If a Dr purposly doing something against the patients its crime....India esply in Govt. hospital's like that things happening...Dr's try to help other private parties to get commision for eg: Scaning centers/Medicine companies etc etc...its panishable act.. 😳

It's not the mistake which hurts. It's the callousness which hurts. Too many doctors treat their patients like a piece of dirt.

Originally posted by: dude80

It's not the mistake which hurts. It's the callousness which hurts. Too many doctors treat their patients like a piece of dirt.

Probably the reason such strict laws against doctors are enforced...as this is no joke profession havn't met or may be won't be able to meet such a Doctor in person 😳...you guys deal with him...😊

Vinu - Thanks for response bud!

This post reminded me of a case that happened here in Madison last November.
http://www.channel3000.com/news/10223021/detail.html

The nurse charged in this case Julie Thao was a nurse for 16 long years with a perfect record. She was a nurse loved and adored by patients, who was good at her job. One fateful night during an emergency c-section delivery she was flustered and distracted by the patients screaming and accidentally have her an epidural instead of penicillin which ended up being fatal to the patient.

Julie Thao was charged as a criminal. This was a nurse who honestly wanted to help the patient. In her 16 yer flawless career she made only one fatal mistake and she was treated like a criminal. A person whose life had been dedicated to service and compassion was reduced to a mere criminal.

What is even nastier is that what should have been a civil malpractice suit was made into a criminal charge that created monetary benefits for the victims family who was suing the hospital for money.

http://www.sommersforsupremecourt.com/disinformation.htm

If any of us make a mistake in our jobs no matter how serious it is,worst case scenario is we maybe fired. We will still be treated like ordinary people and not criminals. While doctors and nurses should take a high amount of care to avoid mistakes they work in a high stress environment and should be cut some slack.

As for drug testing, it has to be tested on someone. It is a voluntary risk a person takes to see if a drug is safe for the markets. Without such testing we would not know of any side effects etc. These drug testing companies offer hefty compensation, and medical attention. We have several drug testing labs in our town and I know several people who have successfully tested drugs. If someday I was available for their testing schedule I would too. I think the risk of a few lives is worth saving a few potential ones in the future. As it is one human less will not make a difference.