Sanjay Dutt gets 6 years in Jail. Fair? - Page 16

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

absolutely agree and who wouldn't!!

yes yes. that's what is at issue, isnt it? the right perspective. and for a guy who gets caught with some toys, the right perspective is to lock him up for 6 years, isnt it? consider rapists less guilty, induct murderers like shibu soren into the union cabinet. all right perspective, no? sure clarifies things now😆

Originally posted by: chatbuster

yes yes. that's what is at issue, isnt it? the right perspective for a guy who gets caught with some toys is to lock him up for 6 years, to consider rapists less guilty, and to induct murderers like shibu soren into the union cabinet. right perspective indeed. sure clarifies things now, no?😆

Originally posted by: sareg

toy --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Type_56_Assault_Rifle ?
😆😆

haha, gun debate now. yaar, people do carry a lot of firearms, especially in the west. far more than they need. often illegally. but no one in their right minds think they should be put away for 6 years and that their violation is worse than a rapists. maybe our system is messed up because we do have folks who think technical violations are worse than raping and killing?😉

so since we cannot convict some murderers hence we should let go of people who carry weapons😆

yaar, making yet another assumption?. i am simply saying that his violation is far less egregious than that of a murderer or a rapist. Not saying he shouldnt have gone in for a year or two. however, you seem to be saying that his deed is worse than rape and murder. it's ok yaar. you can still amend your statement if you like. in the heat of the moment, we all say silly things we dont mean😆

If SD would have managed to melt away his guns, he too would have been one of those Shibu sorens who got away😉

lol. so just because the cops could not nail soren on some technicality, we had our PM really believe he was a good guy, good enuff to be in the union cabinet? 😉

then you would have come back and said why didnt we get SD, is it b'cos he is a MP's son or brother or a film actor😆

defintely not. would have never said such a thing😆

Originally posted by: chatbuster

yes yes. that's what is at issue, isnt it? the right perspective. and for a guy who gets caught with some toys, the right perspective is to lock him up for 6 years, isnt it? consider rapists less guilty, induct murderers like shibu soren into the union cabinet. all right perspective, no? sure clarifies things now😆

Originally posted by: chatbuster

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

that's right CB😉.
what you call a toy, and what he calls a toy is not actually sold at toys r us , and can actually cause harm, i wonder how dare a toy! .. 😉😆

lol. getting a bit too carried away with all the toy talk😆

so anyhow...
why carry any ILLEGAL toy ?

dont know. self-defense? you could always ask him i suppose. 😛 now since this still hasnt percolated down, let me again say- punishment should fit the crime. 6 years for illegal arms possession is precisely the kind of thing that makes a joke outa the indian judiciary😛

why associate with people that are known to cause disruption to peace?

the indian PM should stop associating himself with almost every politician then😉 Or wait, are you saying if we catch him for any technical violation, we should give him the max because he was hanging around with murdering politicians?🤣

Why isn't John Abrahim caught for his interest in toys? He is a manly man too and am sure must have testosterone-driven toys of his own.. He is known to be rough tough with his bike😊..
Toys are toys and weapons are weapons. Terrorists are terrorists and friends are friends. When things get mixed up, RIGHT PERSPECTIVE is needed.

abstract glory speeches aside, is the right perspective 6 years for arms possession? that's the question. not obvious statements like what he did was wrong.

Originally posted by: sareg

yaar, all this theory about giving harsh punishment for a charge because they cant nab someone on a more serious one- how do we keep coming up with all this? oh of course the movies😆

your entire argument now seems to rest on technical rule books. gone is the need to fight terrorism now? yaar, if we dig deep enuff, we can always find stuff to nab most people. i know that's how things might work. but it's not good. not good at all.😉

as for an american politician being hounded, well, did u forget bush's daughters getting arrested for DUI? didnt make a damn difference, did it? cant even begin to compare the joke that a shibu soren represents to anything here out west😆

Originally posted by: mythili_Kiran

That's true but why compare sanjay dutt to shibu soren! Its really amazing! If celebrities are given special treatment then a lot of propoganda saying "Are celebrities above law", if they are given normal treatment then they say "why are others not punished "!

Every journey starts with a single step.May be Indian judiciary is on a reformation process😳!! Hope all those people get the verdict they deserve!

Very well said....👏

Originally posted by: chatbuster

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

lol. well, this is one way to hand out justice. the copy-cat way.😛 other guy has a lollipop, so i want one too. someone got 6 years, so should SD 😆

also, what happened? stories from mahabharat dont work no more? what did Yudhistir say? yes! that criminal culpability and punishment should be based on how informed someone was. dont judges and lawmakers swear by the geeta? what gives now? geeta is good enough to swear by, but the underlying principles dont work for them?😉😆

actually, dont even have to go that far back. he was absolved of terrorism charges, so he should have been sentenced in a non-TADA court where he would have gotten off most likely on a probation. sort of silly to say that well this is the rule, so it's fair. that's a cop-out when folks cant think for themselves.😉

and then, there are other ways to look at fairness. just because this judge decided to hand out 6 years to everyone does not make it fair. what if he had handed out 50 years to everyone, assuming it was permissible? would that have been fair too? he just might have if he could to burnish his anti-terror credentials. who knows what constituency he wants to join tomorrow?😉

want more? well then, how about comparing the severity of his violation with crimes committed by rapists and murderers. 6 years then sudddenly begins looking like a very long time, no? unfair too, no?😉

oh, all that other stuff about alleged conversations with gangsters etc, cant convict folks for that. we'd have the PM behind bars that way. 😉he sure must have had many a conversation with shibu soren, his erstwhile cabinet minister.

lots of ways to look at fairness. character witnesses, charitable work all are taken into account in most evolved judiciary systems. cant say something is fair unless in a very narrow copy-cat sense if the system is primitive or it sucks.😉